Why video games are not developed in India?

[The Last Stand]

I don't agree with your arguments that India is short of programmers. Anybody here know of Microsoft's standards? Break the build and you're waiting the next 3 weeks to work again. Don't give bs like "Apple is better than Microsoft" or "Microsoft makes bloatware" or even "Windows is crap".

Programming of Microsoft Office is done in two locations - New York and Bangalore (A close relative works in microsoft ) In fact, most of the code is written in Bangalore and most of the bug testing is done in NY.

 

[Armand2REP]

It's not even close to Donkey Kong

Donkey Kong is a classic, and Chini developers are putting out games about as advanced and cornier than the 80s original. Not one Chinese title is popular in China... they all go to American or Korean names. It isn't about quantity like China, it is about quality like Korea.

 

[natarajan]

Most of the game work is outsources and the real company and people names never comes out,as ourselves in my company did one game for ios but the australian company gave interview to television as if they code it

 

[vram]

Hmm - I've been fortunate to visit the Bioware office in ottowa - I was surprised to see NO indians, except for one tester. He told me that he's been in the games industry for almost 7 years and no where does he see Indians. One reason, at least from his PoV - is that Indians do not have the "approach" of thinking what Game Development requires. Game development is an extreme form of Software Programming that goes above and beyond what "ordinary" software development like Java/C++ based tiers (which 90% of Indian development is based on) can offer.

You need extremely talented people for Game Development - and Indians mostly have a very difficult time even clearing interviews for such companies. I hope that isn't a generic trend, but the calibers of substandard developers that India churns out (I know - interface with lousy developers in Chennai who have no skills on problem solving) - possibly dictates that we need to pull up our pants or risk being generalized as "slumdog" developers - doomed to only created vanilla products/services and being left out from the SKillfuls.

On this note : Ukrainians and Russians seem to be extremely talented - we should take a leaf from them on how to be true quality engineers.

I would agree to many of your views here. Would also Like to add that its not actually the talent of the developers that is in question here. The problem is the the LACK OF CORE DEVELOPMENT experience that many of the s/w coders and designer have in INDIA. Experience is more or less synonymous with increased quality here , Practise makes perfect
The culture for problem solving and out of the box thinking has to be inoculated slowly which comes only by experiencing various scenario's and pressure situations.
But the major problem here is that everyone wants to become a bloody manager or APM. Indian IT is overrun with managers.And the sad part is that they are not even competent managers. Its more of a forced choice for many people in the industry today. Every one wants 3-5yrs and at max 7 yrs experience for a developer. NOBODY wants a specialist developer who has been in the field for more than 10 years. Society expects that if you have been in the industry for 10 years then you have to become a manager or atleast an APM.Also the funniest part is that we have people today who are called tech leads but only know about thier repsective projects. Apprently they are tech leads of thier respective projects and not of the technology itself ROLF!!...
Why would you even want to go for costly resources when the fresher factory is operating at full tilt. order freshers off the campus supermarket. write redundant code with costly fixes and absolutely bad design. charge the customer twice for a application that will ultimately fail when load is applied. Indian IT does not work well with multithreading and load balancing concepts(ironically this is the Bread and butter for gaming software :cool2.After all most IT development is API based today. rot learn some concepts and code with previous snippets and combine everything on a badly based design wheather it does the end job or not we are not bothered. after all we can pass the buck to the BA and the requirement guy who would have by then moved on to another project. That what the IT industry is operating with today,,,,,,

 

[vram]

I don't agree with your arguments that India is short of programmers. Anybody here know of Microsoft's standards? Break the build and you're waiting the next 3 weeks to work again. Don't give bs like "Apple is better than Microsoft" or "Microsoft makes bloatware" or even "Windows is crap".

Programming of Microsoft Office is done in two locations - New York and Bangalore (A close relative works in microsoft ) In fact, most of the code is written in Bangalore and most of the bug testing is done in NY.

hmmm isn't the Microsoft development center in INDIA at Hyderabad?? I also think its Windows and Windows Line Division is aligned to that location..I was under the impression that thier Adservice and webpublishing R&D verticals where aligned in bangalore DC.

 

[The Last Stand]

hmmm isn't the Microsoft development center in INDIA at Hyderabad?? I also think its Windows and Windows Line Division is aligned to that location..I was under the impression that thier Adservice and webpublishing R&D verticals where aligned in bangalore DC.

Windows development in Hyderabad - that's where the relative works now. He used to work on MS Office at Bangalore, they shifted it to Hyderabad 3 years back IIRC.

 

[bhramos]

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/military-multimedia/18582-indian-military-video-games.html

 

[Shirman]

I believe we should also venture on mobile gaming for quad core mobile phones plenty of scope there.......they will be the future gaming Gameboys and psp / handheld platforms.............

 

[boris]

VERY HARD! You're echoing my point - what you need is TALENT. And Yes - this game is being stonewalled and strung up by thousands and thousands of people - and even one BAD slur against India should shake us to fix whats wrong !! I hate seeing India's image sullied - and every sully hits!!! Just like how 5 million viewers have mocked and trashed India to death over the "Indian Superman", "Indian Thriller" that our idiot directors/producers have created in all their immaturity - the huge list goes on... videos on you tube. Its insulting and makes us ALL look like fools!!

When you're doing something do it right or Don't do it!!! Don't make India a laughing stock like the 10$ computer fiasco!!!

Rant Over!!!

100% agree with you mate. I am just reading "Game Engine Architecture", I bought it two months back and ended up revising all the Physics I learnt before I could even actually start reading the book.

 

[boris]

I would agree to many of your views here. Would also Like to add that its not actually the talent of the developers that is in question here. The problem is the the LACK OF CORE DEVELOPMENT experience that many of the s/w coders and designer have in INDIA. Experience is more or less synonymous with increased quality here , Practise makes perfect
The culture for problem solving and out of the box thinking has to be inoculated slowly which comes only by experiencing various scenario's and pressure situations.
But the major problem here is that everyone wants to become a bloody manager or APM. Indian IT is overrun with managers.And the sad part is that they are not even competent managers. Its more of a forced choice for many people in the industry today. Every one wants 3-5yrs and at max 7 yrs experience for a developer. NOBODY wants a specialist developer who has been in the field for more than 10 years. Society expects that if you have been in the industry for 10 years then you have to become a manager or atleast an APM.Also the funniest part is that we have people today who are called tech leads but only know about thier repsective projects. Apprently they are tech leads of thier respective projects and not of the technology itself ROLF!!...
Why would you even want to go for costly resources when the fresher factory is operating at full tilt. order freshers off the campus supermarket. write redundant code with costly fixes and absolutely bad design. charge the customer twice for a application that will ultimately fail when load is applied. Indian IT does not work well with multithreading and load balancing concepts(ironically this is the Bread and butter for gaming software :cool2.After all most IT development is API based today. rot learn some concepts and code with previous snippets and combine everything on a badly based design wheather it does the end job or not we are not bothered. after all we can pass the buck to the BA and the requirement guy who would have by then moved on to another project. That what the IT industry is operating with today,,,,,,

I think that is more like the philosophy of SWITCH companies(TCS,Infy etc.). Susam Pal once wrote a good article about it on his blog.

 

[boris]

Windows development in Hyderabad - that's where the relative works now. He used to work on MS Office at Bangalore, they shifted it to Hyderabad 3 years back IIRC.

I think the Bangalore one is MS Research, full of braniacs.

 

[opesys]

I think the Bangalore one is MS Research, full of braniacs.

In fact Kinect development also happens in Bangalore.

 

[t_co]

I, for one, ask myself this question too. Even China, a software market with laughable IP protection and rampant piracy, has a thriving computer game industry (even if half of all titles are just ripoffs of the other half - there are still tons of publishers and studios). Why doesn't India have an equivalent?

 

[rayum]

i am learning game-dev and couldn't resist myself to reply
we're missing big picture here it's the education system and quality of education that makes a big difference
if you see Russian and Ukrainian programmers code (Google code jams), an Indian programmer surely would go crazy
when i started learning game-dev, i started to face physics problems, i used to get good marks in science but when it comes to game-dev or may be any real life situation, knowing and even understanding Pythagoras formula is not enough you must be able to visualize the problem in your mind and apply the formula to get the solution, and this is not the thing you can train yourself in weeks, it requires quality (lots of quality) education at a small age starting from 1st standard and a culture (personal rant starts: that don't laugh on you when you say to your friends that your college project is going to be a 2d beat'em up game in java they thinks it's impossible to do even if you are in the final year of BCA, btw it was awesome to see there~ face when i finally made a cool game, personal rant over)

so what do we need here to fix almost all Indian problems, awesome govt + good culture in which people dont honk all the time on roads just for fun + quality education + 'Friendly teen s3x culture' like western countries (believe it or not it helps)