Why India Wins So Few Olympic Medals?

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Well, Indians are not robots as the Mainland Chinese are.

That is where the difference lies in performance.

That is why Hong Kong chaps have gone on protest since the Communist Chinese Govt wanted to brainwash them to the Chinese Communist way of life

Big Hong Kong protest assails Communist Party 'brainwashing'
Published: July 29
- The Washington Post

Open the link and see the picture of the massive protest in Hong Kong.

You keep guessing who uses drugs.

Chairman Miao?
I was not guessing who are using drugs, I proved that Indians are using drugs.

If good performance on Olympics stadium means being robots, then I am gonna say pathetic performance like Indians means incomplete evolution. It may take another milliion years for you guys to evolve into real human before you can compete Olympics.

Protests in HK are very common, but HK also sends their own team and performs well in Olympics. In fact, every country takes Olympics seriously, except India.

So what? Indians are just too proud to contest, or just too incompetent to pull off some good performance?
 

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BBC News - China swimmer Ye Shiwen clean, says BOA boss Moynihan

Teenage Chinese swimmer Ye Shiwen is not a drug cheat, the British Olympic Association's chairman has said, after a US coach cast doubt on her world record-breaking swim.

Lord Colin Moynihan said Ye, 16, had passed drug tests, was "clean" and deserved recognition for her talent.

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Not like you, just wagging tail to GB, USA, Russia, or whoever feeds you.

I am not an American.

I owe no apology to anyone.

You live in the USA and you are biting the hand that feeds?

Good show!
 

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Shame on you! You claimed yourself well educated and you are speaking non-sense!

Go back to your country and don't compete on the Olympics game at all. No one will care about the absence of Indians.

Another well educated Chinese who cannot identify flags!
 

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Hard training plus world class coaching paid off.

Column: What's up with China's swimming success? - - SI.com

Column: What's up with China's swimming success?

When Chinese swimmers started blowing rivals out of the water in London's Olympic pool, whispers quickly followed. Is China cheating the sport again, as it did in the 1990s, when drug-fueled, muscle-bound swimmers emerged from nowhere to beat the world? Alain Bernard, the 2008 Olympic freestyle champion from France, was among those who wondered.

"I'm for clean sport, without doping, and I truly hope the authorities in charge of this are doing their job in good conscience and really well,'' he said. "Unfortunately, I want to say that there is no smoke without fire. But today there is no proof to show that any Chinese has tested positive in this competition.''

At a briefing Monday in London, reporters peppered Arne Ljungqvist, the International Olympic Committee's medical commission chairman, with questions about Ye Shiwen, China's 16-year-old swimming sensation. Ljungqvist said "it is very sad that an unexpected performance be surrounded by suspicions.''

"Suspicion is halfway an accusation that something is wrong,'' Ljungqvist said. "I don't like that. I would rather have facts.''

Unlike the 1990s, however, there are plausible explanations this time for why China is the swimming phenomenon of the 2012 Games.

For example, Ye's astounding world record in the 400 medley, when she swam the last 50 meters faster than American Ryan Lochte did in winning the equivalent men's race, isn't solely attributable to her large hands and feet. It also is at least partly because China, which has grown to become the world's second-largest economy, now throws big checks at some of swimming's sharpest minds. China has turned to foreign trainers to get their coaching programs, expertise and methods, not only to hone its swimming stars but to make them more rounded and relaxed, too. The idea is that happy swimmers are fast swimmers.

Ye has trained in Australia with two well-recognized coaches, Ken Wood and Denis Cotterell. Wood has had a contract with the Chinese Swimming Association since 2008, and 15 of China's swimmers in London, plus five of its relay swimmers, have trained at his academy north of Brisbane, rotating through in groups for a couple of months at a time, he told The Associated Press in a phone interview.

"I get paid per month, per swimmer four times more than I do with my home swimmers,'' Wood said from Australia after Ye qualified comfortably fastest Monday in the 200 medley heats. China pays him bonuses for Olympic gold and for swimmers' personal bests, and he also got a bonus for Ye's 200 medley world championship win in 2011.

"China is putting a lot of money into its program and I am only too happy to work with them,'' he said. "The whole Chinese philosophy is that they want to be the best they can.''

Not only is training overseas exposing Chinese swimmers to more sophisticated coaching, it is teaching them about life and the wider world. In Australia, they and their coaches are learning to let their hair down a bit and about themselves. For a seasoned observer of China and its state-run sport system, the worldlier Chinese swimmers performing so well in London are truly a new breed. These aren't the automatons of old, with monosyllabic stock responses about how grateful they are to their motherland and seemingly so ignorant of life outside China's government-funded medal factories with their grind of training and yet more training far from family and friends.

Sun Yang, China's first man to win an Olympic swimming gold, radiates self-assurance, spunk and zeal. The 6-foot-6 swimmer with size 45 feet roared, pounded the water with his fists, wept and remembered to thank his mom and dad - "Really great parents, they gave me so much'' - after crushing defending champion Park Tae-hwan of South Korea in the 400 free. Sun is among those who have trained in Australia.

Backstroker Fu Yuanhui, a bubbly 16-year-old, turned out for her semifinal in a silly, furry, Santa Claus-type hat and a cheesy grin. Lu Ying, silver medalist behind the United States' Dana Vollmer in the 100 fly, gave a long, thoughtful answer about why Australia was such an eye-opener for her. She said she was particularly impressed by the enthusiasm of the Australian swimmers she trained with and how they balanced work and play.

"They're always having fun. They're not worrying that if they have too much fun they won't be able to move when the training gets hard. Chinese are quite particular about these things, about resting before training hard. But that isn't how they think. They think that when it's time to have fun, then you have fun,'' she said. "So you end up feeling that our thinking is a bit restricted too much by social conventions and taboos and that we limit ourselves and that sometimes we can't relax. Their teammates often invite them to barbecues, they eat, or their dad will often do a barbecue or breakfast and what not. And you think, 'That wouldn't happen in China.'''

Foreign expertise is also compensating for weaknesses in Chinese coaching. Wood said many top coaches in China's provinces are retired swimmers. They concentrate on stroke technique, but "are not very well up on biomechanics or any of the sport science.'' They also drill discipline into young swimmers early on - Wood said Ye's coach in China is "very, very tough on her'' - and he's been urging them to lighten up.

"I had a good talk with her and said, 'You have to be confident and enjoy it,''' he said. "I said, 'Come on, Ye, have a joke and smile,' and we got her to crack a smile.''

Wood also said the Chinese, especially the women, keep their weight down and that is the "whole secret'' to their success. They come to his academy with their own chefs and shop for food in Brisbane's Chinatown.

"Fat cats don't fight; they sleep in front of the fire. And there are no fat cats in China,'' he said. "There's not one Chinese girl I've seen with weight on. ... That is a huge advantage for Chinese. Most of our girls, the Aussie girls, are carrying too much weight.''

He said Ye's power-to-weight ratio is particularly good, and that helps explain how she was able to rip through the last 50 of her 400 IM in 28.93 seconds, compared with Lochte's 29.10. That gender-defying feat and her world record of 4 minutes, 28.43 seconds, more than any other Chinese achievement so far in London's Aquatics Centre, set tongues wagging. Lochte said he and his teammates talked about it over dinner and that "if she was there with me, she might have beat me.''

"That's the one that's caused all the controversy,'' Wood said of that swim. Even in Australia, he is hearing muttered suspicions from London about Ye and whether China "is going back to the bad old days.''

Those would include when breaststroker Yuan Yuan, a silver medalist at the 1994 world championships, was caught trying to smuggle 13 vials of banned growth hormone hidden in a thermos flask in her luggage into Australia ahead of the 1998 worlds or when seven Chinese swimmers tested positive for steroids at the 1994 Asian Games.

That decade of shame - a sports scientist at San Diego State tallied 32 Chinese swimmers caught for drug offenses in the 1990s, two of them twice - and China's subsequently victorious bid for the 2008 Olympic Games forced change and the establishment of a world-recognized anti-doping program. Still, this June the official Xinhua News Agency reported that 16-year-old Li Zhesi, who swam the last leg of China's 400 medley relay victory in world record time at the 2009 worlds, tested positive in March for EPO, a banned blood-boosting hormone.

Wood said drug testers from FINA, swimming's governing body, and the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority "have on many occasions'' visited his academy unannounced to collect samples from the Chinese.

"They just come in out of the blue and they pick who they want,'' he said.

Ye, asked by the AP about the suspicions, gave what sounded like a stock answer. "We resolutely don't use and are resolutely opposed to doping,'' she said.

Wu Peng, who trains in Ann Arbor, Mich., and, at 25, is older than Ye, was more forthcoming.

"In the 1990s, the reputation of Chinese swimming wasn't good. There were a lot of doping problems. But it really is very different now. A lot of attention is paid to training. And despite breaking the world record, Ye Shiwen didn't come out of nowhere. Her results have steadily been improving,'' he said. "So I think it is down to training, not other methods.''

"What they are saying is: 'Where did this girl come from? She came from nowhere,''' Wood said. "That's absolutely rubbish.''

Read more: Column: What's up with China's swimming success? - - SI.com
 

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Not like you, just wagging tail to GB, USA, Russia, or whoever feeds you.
We are not opportunists like China, who abandon their principles and ideology and become running dogs of the westerners, by copying their capitalism, which China lost no opportunity earlier to condemn as vile!

My good man, we are not Chinese, who are born running dogs and thieves stealing technology from others.

We don't wag our tails.

Only Running dogs like China have tails.

You are so stupid that you cannot differentiate between an Indian and an American.

That is because you are a serious case of inferiority complex and you are filled with hate.

Please be warned. No more of unsupported junk that you are spewing which in any case if OT.

(Please note I am replying only because of your unsubstantiated crude remarks that you have posted, all because you have turned out to appear a fool because of your own idiocy of asking me for an apology on Armand of France's remarks)
 
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According to your flag, you are not an Indian, right?

We are not opportunists like China, who abandon their principles and ideology and become running dogs of the westerners, by copying their capitalism, which China lost no opportunity earlier to condemn as vile!

My good man, we are not Chinese, who are born running dogs and thieves stealing technology from others.

We don't wag our tails.

Only Running dogs like China have tails.

You are so stupid that you cannot differentiate between an Indian and an American.

That is because you are a serious case of inferiority complex and you are filled with hate.

Please be warned. No more of unsupported junk that you are spewing which in any case if OT.

(Please note I am replying only because of your unsubstantiated crude remarks that you have posted, all because you have turned out to appear a fool because of your own idiocy of asking me for an apology on Armand of France's remarks)
 

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According to my avatar I am with the President of India in the Indian Army uniform.

I or any Indian don't require the Govt's permission to go around the world.

That flag is of Iceland and not America (who indirectly implied doping, or France from where Armand comes and he drew attention to the fact that there is a doubt on the doping angle IIRC!

Could it not be that I am on a trawler that has it base port in Iceland and currently living overseas with residence there and paying taxes there?
 
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I am new to this forum and don't know a lot of active members here. I made a mistake and assumed Armand is an Indian. In your case, you are an Indian living in a foreign country and use the flag is of Iceland. Do you know whether Armand is not an Indian living in France? But it is not a big deal.

Since you are the forum moderator, you have the responsibility to stop biased and ungrounded accusations. What's your response? "The US is claiming so". That's why I said you owe an apology to ye shiwen.

According to my avatar I am with the President of India in the Indian Army uniform.

I or any Indian don't require the Govt's permission to go around the world.

That flag is of Iceland and not America (who indirectly implied doping, or France from where Armand comes and he drew attention to the fact that there is a doubt on the doping angle IIRC!

Could it not be that I am on a trawler that has it base port in Iceland?
 

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I am new to this forum and don't know a lot of active members here. I made a mistake and assumed Armand is an Indian. In your case, you are an Indian living in a foreign country and use the flag is of Iceland. Do you know whether Armand is not an Indian living in France? But it is not a big deal.

Since you are the forum moderator, you have the responsibility to stop biased and ungrounded accusations. What's your response? "The US is claiming so". That's why I said you owe an apology to ye shiwen.
I have no idea about anyone and his origin.

It is for Moderators who know.

I am merely an Honorary Chairman.

Since you are the forum moderator, you have the responsibility to stop biased and ungrounded accusations. What's your response? "The US is claiming so". That's why I said you owe an apology to ye shiwen.
Please refrain from lame excuses.

There are so many posts made and who in the name of Scott would know what is biased and unfounded?

Do you think the Moderators have descended from Heaven and can detect biases.

All posts are biased if you look at them clinically.

I merely drew your attention that it is the US who are feeling that there is doping.

I did it to calm the atmosphere down so that the thread does not go down in flames.

Got that?

No more of infructuous interaction, please.

Matter closed!
 

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all the indian here whether live in foreign or in india are anti-china and bias. i never seen so many bias/bs comment every day ;)
 

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all the indian here whether live in foreign or in india are anti-china and bias. i never seen so many bias/bs comment every day ;)
Likewise is the feeling on the English language Chinese forums and forums where there are Chinese moderators that they are biased against India.

Likewise, the Chinese on this forum whether they are China based or domiciled with another nationality but Chinese are hopeless is biased.
 

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and become running dogs of the westerners, by copying their capitalism, which xxxx lost no opportunity earlier to condemn as vile! ....... we are not xxxxxx .......... running dogs and thieves stealing technology from others.
We don't wag tails. ......


This portion of Ray-ji's post has helped me hit the nail on the head - at least a bit more accurately than I did in my previous posts on this topic

The Olympics is arguably a Macedonian invented muscle-measuring contest ( we have in the past referred to dick-measuring contests in this forum - so the similarity is not too difficult to link to .

All this muscle-boasting is a western Macedonian idea - an I have no grudge nor even comment to make about it as it is THEIR CULTURE AND THEY HAVE EVERY right to celebrate it in their own way "¦.

It should have been kept an European event for their pleasure and it should have remained a regional event - like the Eurovision sopng contest .

The problem began when they exported their culture and internationalised it - and dragon took the bait - that is their problem - if they wanna compete in an atmosphere where drug usage and clever hiding is the norm - that is their decision - im saying we should stay clear

I have been consistently maintaining that a more healthy form of sports for the benefit of Indian people is more our culture - eg yoga , cricket ( albeit an adopted one having Indian values which is why it is so popular ) all this competing and muscle-measuring -boasting-in -public has never been our culture and we should avoid it

As simple as that

If so and so wants to ape the west be their whatever, poodle, their look-alike etc - well, we should leave it to them - we don't need to follow along

( PS: ive even seen some of them with their hair coloured blonde - it looks so un-natural and freaky - so much for look-alike )
 
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(Please note I am replying only because of your unsubstantiated crude remarks that you have posted, all because you have turned out to appear a fool because of your own idiocy of asking me for an apology on Armand of France's remarks)
all the indian here whether live in foreign or in india are anti-china and bias. i never seen so many bias/bs comment every day ;)
Im replying oinly to ray-ji here using the thread as a clear example of the infringements

with perhaps only one exception most of the dragon-posters are here for negative reasons - which they could do somewhere else !

they want FAIR -PLAY when all their forums ( fora ) are in their own language _ so we cant participate

but they participate in ours - not to appreciate our culture - but to display theirs !


really i wouldnt bother replying to any of their posts - the only time i do is to tell them to b-off ( in more suitable words )

if you feel they are about to cross the line , let them do so - then simply delete their offensive post and ban the person - dont waste energy explaining etc etc _ not nec

no one except themselves appreciates their presence here and ive said it before:-

this forum is a better place without them
 
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Likewise is the feeling on the English language Chinese forums and forums where there are Chinese moderators that they are biased against India.

Likewise, the Chinese on this forum whether they are China based or domiciled with another nationality but Chinese are hopeless is biased.
nope most chinese i speak to in US, recognize fault of CCP. what i mean bias take example of the swimmer accusation, people automatically assume she cheated when she win, even she pass the drug test. and then people complain about how its a NEW drug invented by china to pass the test etc without any evidence. I call that bias. i haven't talk to chinese live aboard complain about how india win this or create new invention or something else is copy/cheat etc. furthermore i know few friends/neighbor who are indian, and they seem very nice, and i talk to them alot haven't found any bias against china as i seen here on this forum.

but since i don't goto chinese language forum, there could be bias against indian on those forum, i don't know. but i do goto other sino-english forum for discussion, such as sinodefenceforum which is english has both chinese/american on the forum. and the people discuss topic over there civilized without bashing each others country/each other.
 
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nope most chinese i speak to in US, recognize fault of CCP. what i mean bias take example of the swimmer accusation, people automatically assume she cheated when she win, even she pass the drug test. and then people complain about how its a NEW drug invented by china to pass the test etc without any evidence. I call that bias. i haven't talk to chinese live aboard complain about how india win this or create new invention or something else is copy/cheat etc. furthermore i know few friends/neighbor who are indian, and they seem very nice, and i talk to them alot haven't found any bias against china as i seen here on this forum.
My good man, you seem to be blind.

I have all through appreciated China's Olympic effort.

Trawl through and then comment.

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As far as the doubt about drug usage, it was not an Indian view. It was an American view. So, why take it out on Indians? And attribute it to Indian bias? Rather odd logic, I must say.

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We don't invent anything. We buy it off the shelf. Saves us infructuous effort. We have the money. We hopefully don't copy or steal.

If you feel peeved about something, do be good enough to report and let the Mods debate it out and give their decision.

And if you feel that there is a lot of bias, nothing really can be done because this is a free country!

Even here, we are fair and democratic as you saw me explain the rationale (which I really don't have to give) and we don't give infractions or bans on threads we moderate and instead report it (if we want) to the Moderators for their consideration!

As I said this is a free country.

PS We are with biases as is with all nationalities but we are also a friendly lot and find foreigners rather nice. A forum is not a face to face interaction and so.........


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May we please return to the topic?
 
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My good man, you seem to be blind.

I have all through appreciated China's Olympic effort.

Trawl through and then comment.


We don't invent anything. We buy it off the shelf. Saves us infructuous effort. We have the money. We hopefully don't copy or steal.
well most my comment is toward the guy who accuse china cheating without proving 1st. if china indeed cheat i'm sure the UK drug test will find out soon.
 

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well most my comment is toward the guy who accuse china cheating without proving 1st. if china indeed cheat i'm sure the UK drug test will find out soon.

Armand I believe is French. He is not an Indian.

You are a little dated on the issue of the Chinese swimmer.

The swimmer has already been given a clean chit.

And as I said on the thread which carried this news - She has been cleared, the record stands (or words to that effect).

Thank you.
 

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Children as young as four undergo gymnastics and swimming training in China

Children as young as four undergo gymnastics and swimming training in China

Some of these images are heart wrenching. No parent would willingly do this to their children at such an young age. It is the age when children were supposed happily play around without any tension in life. But what we see here in China is a state sponsored moulding of young children so that it can win medals and massage its ego to make a statement that it has arrived.



A young gymnast grimaces as he does a handstand at a school in Yunnan Province, China. Children as young as four train for hours every day at the school. According to one of the teachers, they do not get any holiday because a one or two month break would make their skills rusty.






Young female gymnasts train at a special sport school in Hefei, east China's Anhui province. Potential gymnasts embark on a gruelling schedule which aims to create champions, as schooling and family take a back seat to eight hours of training six days a week.



A boy on a gymnastics team performs on the rings at a sports school during the summer holiday in Nanjing in east China's Jiangsu province



A trainer helps children on the gymnastics team perform a stretching exercise on the floor at a sports school in Nanjing



A young gymnast stretches at a special sport school in Hefei, east China's Anhui Province



A young boy trains at a weightlifting school in Xiamen, southeast China's Fujian province





More can be found here

Children as young as four undergo gymnastics and swimming training in China - Telegraph
 

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