Trump Uses the K-word, Includes Bajwa in Talks with Imran

[tarunraju]

Even if a war needs to be waged against Iran, Pakistan is not that essential! US has a HUGE amphibious force called Marines! Iran is easily accessible via the waters! US has enough bases in the Gulf region!

You simply cannot pull a Normandy on Iran. It has far better maritime defenses than any other state in the Persian Gulf, Saudi Arabia included, and has access to Russian hardware. Iranian/Russian action in Syria made it amply clear that Iran isn't Iraq. You can't show up with an amphibious task-force. You need a land-based staging area that''s built up over months, which is either Iraq (which will become a political shit-show at the UN), or you can use Pakistan.

Bolton is a Kissinger/Cheney-type cocksucker who can push Trump to do anything, even if it sends US-India relations back to 1971-levels.

I think what will happen in the coming few weeks, though, is that Iran will physically test a nuke, which will force the US to back off.

 

[mayfair]

Logistics don't really work on Pakistan side, especially when US already has a presence in Afghanistan. The Balochistan border region is not really amenable to large scale troop and armoured movements into Iran.

Iraq is a far better staging area and logistics ensured with support from KSA, Kuwait and Israel. Plus, US has extensive experience in fighting in that region.

 

[S.A.T.A]

Trump is not the first US president to offer his good offices on settling kashmir. Not sure what the brouhaha is all about. What is disconcerting is his claim that PM Modi wanted US help on kashmir. This flies against known Indian position on this matter. So either Trump was lying or does not know what he is talking about, traits both of which are not uncommon in Trump.

 

[Enquirer]

You simply cannot pull a Normandy on Iran. It has far better maritime defenses than any other state in the Persian Gulf, Saudi Arabia included, and has access to Russian hardware. Iranian/Russian action in Syria made it amply clear that Iran isn't Iraq. You can't show up with an amphibious task-force. You need a land-based staging area that''s built up over months, which is either Iraq (which will become a political shit-show at the UN), or you can use Pakistan.

Bolton is a Kissinger/Cheney-type cocksucker who can push Trump to do anything, even if it sends US-India relations back to 1971-levels.

Dude, take a look at Iran's map - it is surrounded by US military bases on ALL sides!!!
Yeah, right! US can't do a Normandy, that's why they have the world largest amphibious force - the Marines....replete with its own LPHs, fighter planes, 100s of 1000s of soldiers. What do you think they are meant for?
Bolton can try but is highly unlikely to push Trump over to invading Iran (not to suggest that things organically won't boil over to that point where there's no other option left...............but Trump by himself will not be persuaded into it!).

You're just conjuring up a situation with invalid assumptions and presenting it as an inevitable fact!

Trump's current ask of Pakistan is to corral the Taliban into a ceasefire and dialog with Afghan govt!

Also, if Iran needs to be invaded it would be stupid of US to get involved. There are enough hostile Sunni nations (& don't forget Israel) in Iran's neighborhood that're itching to invade Iran on their own (with no US involvement!). There's no sense at all in US opening a front from Paki side!!!

You need to take a chill pill and 'moderate' your thinking.

 

[tarunraju]

Trump is not the first US president to offer his good offices on settling kashmir.

No, but he's the first US President to rat on an Indian PM. I'm pretty sure Modi had a Nehruvian delusion of grandeur, and did tell Trump what he disclosed yesterday. Modi is put in a position where he cannot personally refute what Trump disclosed (hence he's using MEA spokespersons); and has to brace for a political shit-storm here in India.

For all intents and purposes,Trump damaged India's foreign policy. Pakistan will parrot "the Indian PM himself wants mediation" on repeat until the end of time. This is exactly why Delhi must react in the manner I suggested in the first post. The damage is done, and we must now focus on the response rather than a refutation. This cannot be refuted even if you print it on bank notes.

 

[Enquirer]

Trump is not the first US president to offer his good offices on settling kashmir. Not sure what the brouhaha is all about. What is disconcerting is his claim that PM Modi wanted US help on kashmir. This flies against known Indian position on this matter. So either Trump was lying or does not know what he is talking about, traits both of which are not uncommon in Trump.

Trump is an untrained dog that does its dodo on anyone's expensive carpet and doesn't give a shit (i.e. after it has given some literal shit )

Trying to unravel Trump's motives and reasoning is a fool's errand!

For all those who have forgotten: Trump said Nawaz Sharif was a 'terrific guy' with great leadership abilities.....before bitch slapping him publicly as a liar and cheat. So, let IK ejaculate for his 2 seconds of pleasure, he's gonna have his ass kicked very soon too.

 

[Enquirer]

No, but he's the first US President to rat on an Indian PM. I'm pretty sure Modi had a Nehruvian delusion of grandeur, and did tell Trump what he disclosed yesterday. Modi is put in a position where he cannot personally refute what Trump disclosed (hence he's using MEA spokespersons); and has to brace for a political shit-storm here in India.

For all intents and purposes,Trump damaged India's foreign policy. Pakistan will parrot "the Indian PM himself wants mediation" on repeat until the end of time. This is exactly why Delhi must react in the manner I suggested in the first post. The damage is done, and we must now focus on the response rather than a refutation. This cannot be refuted even if you print it on bank notes.

Is the Moderator of this forum compromised by ISI??

What shit is being said on this forum?

Which nutjob will take Trump's drivel seriously to question Modi's patriotism???

This is becoming very uncomfortable!!! Can other moderators (@Dovah @sayareakd @pmaitra @LETHALFORCE do an intervention on this dude ) ????

 

[S.A.T.A]

No, but he's the first US President to rat on an Indian PM. I'm pretty sure Modi had a Nehruvian delusion of grandeur, and did tell Trump what he disclosed yesterday. Modi is put in a position where he cannot personally refute what Trump disclosed (hence he's using MEA spokespersons); and has to brace for a political shit-storm here in India.

For all intents and purposes,Trump damaged India's foreign policy. Pakistan will parrot "the Indian PM himself wants mediation" on repeat until the end of time. This is exactly why Delhi must react in the manner I suggested in the first post. The damage is done, and we must now focus on the response rather than a refutation. This cannot be refuted even if you print it on bank notes.

Well unless this was a private chat, we can release the video clip of the meeting or the transcript of the conversation. I doubt Modi is naive enough to talk kashmir with Trump. In all probability Modi may have talked about the terrorism in kashmir and Trump got things mixed up....

However this must be sobering moment for Washington's apologists in India and for those who advocate an end to India's time tested stand on non alignment against great powers of the world. We need to get out of this reverie about strategic alliance with the US.

 

[pankaj nema]

Trump says a Million Things

Nobody takes him seriously , in State Department or Pentagon

There was No mention of Aid or Weapons

Kashmir statement is a Cheque , given to Pakistan which is Dated 3000 AD

Let Pakistan keep dancing

 

[S.A.T.A]

Trump is an untrained dog that does its dodo on anyone's expensive carpet and doesn't give a shit (i.e. after it has given some literal shit )

Trying to unravel Trump's motives and reasoning is a fool's errand!

For all those who have forgotten: Trump said Nawaz Sharif was a 'terrific guy' with great leadership abilities.....before bitch slapping him publicly as a liar and cheat. So, let IK ejaculate for his 2 seconds of pleasure, he's gonna have his ass kicked very soon too.

Its true Trump is quite known for making remarks about subjects on which he has not been properly briefed, but this could also be a reaction on India's stand on purchasing defense systems from Russia. While I'm for giving a measured response to this US needing, but the PMO must set the record straight.

 

[pankaj nema]

Its true Trump is quite known for making remarks about subjects on which he has not been properly briefed, but this could also be a reaction on India's stand on purchasing defense systems from Russia. While I'm for giving a measured response to this US needing, but the PMO must set the record straight.

The MEA has issued an immediate clarification

There is No need for PMO to get involved

 

[Enquirer]

Its true Trump is quite known for making remarks about subjects on which he has not been properly briefed, but this could also be a reaction on India's stand on purchasing defense systems from Russia. While I'm for giving a measured response to this US needing, but the PMO must set the record straight.

It doesn't appear like Trump thought through this that deeply - to retaliate against India's S-400 purchase. His pea sized brain cannot process all that much.
Also, this is a topic that the Paki journalists (obviously an ISI plant) brought it up. Trump has always lied about other world leaders asking for his advice/help and he having given them some infallible advise! Remember how he insulted Teresa May (that she didn't implement the Brexit plan that he apparently gave her).

I think the MEA has cleared up the air (no more clarification is required). World over Trump is being mocked for his stupidity (yet again) in embarrassing a trusted ally like India. There's no rational soul in the US (including US Congressional committee on Foreign affairs) who believes that Modi asked Trump to mediate. Unfortunately, some hyper dudes here have buried their rationality and venting feverishly!

 

[S.A.T.A]

The MEA has issued an immediate clarification

There is No need for PMO to get involved

That was for the external audience. Opposition will raise this in the parliament. The conversation that Trump is referring to could be a tete-a-tete at G-20 summit, so it would be prudent if the PMO comes out with a statement on the conversation.

 

[mayfair]

That was for the external audience. Opposition will raise this in the parliament. The conversation that Trump is referring to could be a tete-a-tete at G-20 summit, so it would be prudent if the PMO comes out with a statement on the conversation.

The opposition will probably rake this up in the parliament and it would be the best forum for PM to himself clarify on this issue. Of course, Manish Tewari attending Djinnah Institute Track thoo may come up during the charcha as well.

I also feel that somewhere down the line this will lead to further clipping the wings of Jaishankar and the pro-Amreeki lobby within MEA, MoF and MoD. There were actually people (the likes of Madhav Nalpat) calling for S400 deal to be scrapped as a confidence-building measure to the US, now most of them will have little to say on this matter.

 

[Enquirer]

That was the external audience. Opposition will raise this in the parliament. The conversation that Trump is referring to could be a tete-a-tete at G-20 summit, so it prudent if the PMO comes out with a statement on the conversation.

Trust me dude! The more India plays up Trump's stupid utterances on Kashmir the more Pakis will rejoice (who also know very well that Modi never asked Trump to mediate!)
Trump is being pilloried by most US politicians....Alice Wells herself put out a clarifying tweet....there's no need to stir this pot to please the Pakis!

Believe me, if what Trump said was indeep true and Indian MEA contradicted him unfairly then the entire US State department would have pounced on India with all kinds of strong statements....Trump himself would have nudged all his departments to embarrass India.
The fact that his close administration is mostly tight lipped other than clarifying US stand that they deem Kashmir as bilateral issue between India/Pakistan, means that Trump fucked up!!! End of story!! It's clear as day!!

Even most Indian opposition parties Shashi Tharoor, Omar Abdullah etc who harangue Modi every now and then have put out tweets that Trump is speaking out from his ass!

 

[Enquirer]

The opposition will probably rake this up in the parliament and it would be the best forum for PM to himself clarify on this issue. Of course, Manish Tewari attending Djinnah Institute Track thoo may come up during the charcha as well.

I also feel that somewhere down the line this will lead to further clipping the wings of Jaishankar and the pro-Amreeki lobby within MEA, MoF and MoD. There were actually people (the likes of Madhav Nalpat) calling for S400 deal to be scrapped as a confidence-building measure to the US, now most of them will have little to say on this matter.

How is Jaishankar to be blamed for Trump's idiocy?
Jaishakar is a master of realpolitik! Jaishankar's father was the 'father of realpolitik' in India!

 

[Enquirer]

Everyone please take a chill pill!
There's nothing new in Trump's idiocy!
MEA has done a fine job clarifying. The whole world is mocking Trump. He'll forget and move on!
Let Pakis giggle; they too know that there's nothing serious in Trump's ramblings.

 

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