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Tibetans warn of major protests as tension rises over Dolkar Tso's self-immolation



August 9: Around 300 monks sat down on the streets for a prayer protest in eastern Tibet after they were barred by Chinese authorities from paying their last respects to Dolkar Tso, Wednesday afternoon.

Dolkar Tso, mother of a 5-year-old daughter and a 2-year-old son, set herself on fire near the Tsoe Monastery in Kanlho on August 7. According to exile sources with contacts in the region, Dolkar Tso raised slogans for the return of His Holiness the Dalai Lama from exile and shouted that there was no freedom in Tibet.

She later succumbed to her injuries.

The monks from the nearby Labrang Tashikhyil Monastery were traveling in a large convoy of vehicles to Tsoe when local Chinese authorities apprehended them.

The authorities reportedly told the monks that their actions were illegal and warned that their vehicles will be confiscated if they proceeded further. They were also threatened with further actions.

However, the monks declared that they will walk on foot if necessary and warned of a major uprising if they were stopped.

As tension began to flare, representatives of the Monastery's administration came and pleaded with the monks to stop their march. Compelled to listen to the requests, the monks instead sat down on the street and started offering prayers for Dolkar Tso.

Latest reports indicate that monks and lay Tibetans from the region have started joining the prayer service in large numbers.

There are also reports of growing tensions in Tsoe after two monks of the Tsoe Monastery were arrested late in the night of Dolkar Tso's self-immolation protest by Chinese authorities on charges of sheltering her body inside the monastery.

The monks at the Tsoe Monastery had carried Dolkar Tso's body inside the monastery premises immediately after extinguishing the flames. Later, the monks also helped carry her body back to the village where she was born, Tasur, in Nawu Township, around 10 km from Tsoe.

According to reports, when the fire was put out from her body, Dolkar Tso, barely alive, pleaded with the monks to hit her on the head with a stone and kill her so that she will not fall into Chinese hands alive.

Following the late night arrest of the monks, Chinese security personnel in about a dozen vehicles arrived at the Monastery early Wednesday morning to arrest 17 more monks.

A large number of monks and laymen then gathered at the Monastery to prevent the arrest and also to demand the release of the monks earlier detained.

According to exile sources, the gathered Tibetans have pledged to continue their protest.

Tibetans warn of major protests as tension rises over Dolkar Tso's self-immolation - www.phayul.com
From what we learn from out worthy posters from China is that Tibet has amalgamated with China totally peacefully.

But these self-immolation tell a different story.

Why can't the Tibetans realise that China Loves Them?

Why are they not becoming Hans?

Others have become and they are Happy.

Tibetans don't want to be happy?
 

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Re: Tibetans warn of major protests as tension rises over Dolkar Tso's self-immolat

From what we learn from out worthy posters from China is that Tibet has amalgamated with China totally peacefully.
As a chinese poster, I don't see there is any Chinese poster make such a claim. What Chinese said is: there is problem in Tibet, but there is no way Tibetans can archieve their "true autonomous" as any chinese gov would make sure that won't happend at any cost.

But these self-immolation tell a different story.
Yes, these self-immolation tell a sad story: they fail to inspire tibetan public to get into a war against Han. In 1959, just a few rumours could get 300,000 tibans to stand up. Today, after half year and more than 20 lives dead, how many tibetan insurgents we have seen now? ZERO!
In other words, majority of tibetan public doesn't want to sacrifice everything for these political agenda. They want far more than empty political words: TV, Freezor, modern life style. And these lamas cann't give these.

Why can't the Tibetans realise that China Loves Them?

Why are they not becoming Hans?

Others have become and they are Happy.

Tibetans don't want to be happy?
Who need them to love Chinese. They love money and they love having a modern life as much as anybody else. That is already enough for Chinese.
Why should they are happy? 70% of Han Chineses are not happy about the speed of their living standard improvement. Why do we hope they are happy?
Don't you think your question is awkard?
The point is: as long as they focus on their living standard or their pocket, CCP or Chinese is confident enough to beat Dalai Lama.
 
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Re: Tibetans warn of major protests as tension rises over Dolkar Tso's self-immolat

The Tibetans and Uighurs are not Han that they sell their values for money.

Sadly, the Han has sold Mao and the till lately beloved policies of the Communist ideology and flipped over their head for MONEY.

Money is important but then so is culture, language, values, identity. religion and so on. Some people feel that these aspects are equally important if not money than mere money and creature comforts.
 
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Breaking: Tibet continues to burn, Man sets self on fire

August 10: In confirmed reports coming out of Tibet, yet another Tibetan has set himself on fire today in an apparent protest against China's continued occupation of Tibet.

The self-immolator is being identified as Choepa, a Tibetan man around 24 years of age. The exile base of Kirti Monastery in Dharamshala, in a statement released just now said that Choepa carried out his fiery protest in the Me'uruma region of Amdo Ngaba, eastern Tibet at 10.15 am (local time).

As of now, there is no information on Choepa's condition or his whereabouts.

The statement quoted eyewitness as saying that Choepa raised slogans before he was overpowered by Chinese security personnel and taken to an unknown location.

"Choepa's body was engulfed in high flames as he raised slogans," the release said. "Within minutes, Chinese security personnel arrived at the scene and doused the flames on his body before forcibly taking him away."

Eyewitnesses have also raised serious concerns over Choepa's survival.

"People who witnessed the fiery protest have said that Choepa has very little chances of survival as his body was severely burned," the release said. "But as of now there is no confirmation whether Choepa is dead or alive."

Choepa's parents are Paelo and Madron.

Kangay Tsering, a researcher at the Kirti Monastery said that following the self-immolation protest, the situation in Me'uruma has become tense.

"Me'uruma is currently filled with armed Chinese forces as the situation there continues to become more tense," Tsering said.

This is the third self-immolation in Tibet in the past five-days alone.

Since 2009, the growing wave of self-immolations has witnessed 48 Tibetans set themselves on fire demanding freedom in Tibet and the return of His Holiness the Dalai Lama from exile.

Breaking: Tibet continues to burn, Man sets self on fire - www.phayul.com


Maybe the Chinese Govt is trying to wear them down by not doing anything to bring the situation under control.

It does show that the Tibetans do not value Money with such yearning as the Hans and instead are more concerned about the identities, values, culture, language and religion.

They fail to realise that for the Chinese, there is no other existence but becoming Hans.
 

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tibetan separists in prc should learn the dalai lama....lead some good life on foreginer money in india or go get some help from CIA.....

how come the dalai lama hasnt set himself on fire?? followers go 1st??? (of coz i m not saying all the so-called self-immolation things r real....but some indeed r....)
 

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tibetan separists in prc should learn the dalai lama....lead some good life on foreginer money in india or go get some help from CIA.....

how come the dalai lama hasnt set himself on fire?? followers go 1st??? (of coz i m not saying all the so-called self-immolation things r real....but some indeed r....)
The Communist CCP leaders also enjoy good life through corruption and foreign banks stashing their ill gotten gains.

I has posted the same earlier.

Dalai Lama will not burn himself because that is what exactly China would be delighted about.

He wants to remain a thorn in China's flesh! :)
 

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a thorn in china claiming he wanna go back to chinas territory......thats interesting......we dont need him while he needs us........
 

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a thorn in china claiming he wanna go back to chinas territory......thats interesting......we dont need him while he needs us........
I would not know who needs who.

All I know is that the Dalai Lama has great influence in Tibet and is not letting the Chinese Govt and Han consolidate or allow assimilation of the Tibetans into becoming Han.

And along with the Tibetans, the Pakistan Taliban has made plans to go on a serious religious rampage in Xinjiang.

Not a pleasant time ahead for China.
 

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maybe CIA can help him with a set of parachute......
I don't think that is required.

Even without a parachute, his spiritual presence is causing enough of headaches for China!
 

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u can say hes not letting chinese go out of the galaxy as well.....we (hans) dont need any non-hans to be hans.....
 

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u can say hes not letting chinese go out of the galaxy as well.....we (hans) dont need any non-hans to be hans.....
Check your history!

Heard about the Yues, the so called barbarians?

Heard about the Miaos?

Are they not Hans now?

How about this:

 
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at least no chinese is begging him to allow us to go to dharmsala.....good headache....
 

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history is history.......miao is still miao......tibetans r always tibetans......can u name 1 man goes from tibetan to han???

i can tell u examples how muslims go hindus on the other hand.......
 

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if mother tibetan father han then the child is han (or tibetan) is excluded here.,....

every race can absorb some outsiders becoz of marriages etc but in prc no 1 is making tibetan hans....just that simple......
 

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mother tibetan father tibetan then the child has to be tibetan otherwise its a breach of law.....
 

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Heard of Sinicization?

Sinicization, Sinicisation or Sinification, (in Mandarin: 中国化 Zhōngguóhuà or 汉化 Hànhuà) is the cultural assimilation of terms of the language and culture

In more general contexts, Sinicization refers to the process of "becoming Chinese" or "becoming Han"; the opposite process is becoming "not Chinese" (desinicization). The term has been used in social science primarily to describe the assimilation of non-Han Chinese peoples (such as the Manchus) into the Chinese identity.

More broadly, "Sinicization" also refers to the phenomenon whereby neighbouring cultures to China have been influenced by Chinese culture and language without being assimilated. This is reflected in the histories of Korea, Vietnam and Japan in Sinosphere, for example, as adopting of Chinese writing system.

Integration

The integration policy is aimed at strengthening of the Chinese identity among population, to develop shared values, pride in being the country's citizen, respect and acceptance towards cultural differences among citizens of China.

[edit]Historical Examples of Sinicization

[edit]Turkic Peoples
Main article: Taoyuan County, Hunan#Taoyuan Uyghurs
Descendants of Uyghurs who migrated to Taoyuan County, Hunan have largely assimilated into the Han Chinese and Hui population and practice Chinese customs, speaking Chinese as their language.

[edit]Tang dynasty
During the 8th and 9th centuries in the Tang dynasty, Chinese soldiers moved into Guizhou (Kweichow) and married native women, their descendants are known as Lao-han-jen (original Chinese), in contrast to new Chinese who colonized Guizhou at later times. They still speak an archaic dialect.[1] Many immigrants to Guizhou were descended from these soldiers in garrisons who married non-Chinese women.[2]

[edit]Ming Dynasty
Main articles: Ming conquest of Yunnan and Miao Rebellions (Ming Dynasty)
Massive military campaigns were launched by the Ming dynasty during the Miao Rebellions (Ming Dynasty) against the southern aboriginal Miao, Yao, and other tribes, settled thousands of Han and Hui in their land after crushing and killing the aboriginals.

During the Ming conquest of Yunnan Chinese military soldiers were settled in Yunnan, and many married the native women.

[edit]Qing dynasty
The Manchu people started sinicizing during the Qing dynasty. They originally had their own separate style of naming from the Han Chinese, but eventually adopted Han Chinese naming practices.

Manchu names consisted of more than the two or one syllable Chinese names, and when phonetically translited into Chinese, they made no sense at all.[3] The meaning of the names that Manchus used were also very different from the meanings of Chinese names.[4] The Manchus also gave numbers as personal names.[5]

They gave their children Chinese names which were separate from the Manchu names, and even adopted the Chinese practice of generation names, although its usage was inconsistent and error ridden, eventually they stopped using Manchu names.[6]

The Niohuru family of the Manchu changed their family name to Lang, which sounded like "wolf" in Chinese, since wolf in Manchu was Niohuru.[7]

Although the Manchus replaced their Manchu names with Chinese personal names, the Manchu bannermen followed their traditional practice in typically used their first/personal name to address themselves and not their last name, while Han Chinese bannermen used their last name and first in normal Chinese style[8][9]

Usage of surnames was not traditional to the Manchu while it was to the Han Chinese.[10]

[edit]Modern Examples of Sinicization

[edit]Xinjiang
The Chinese Muslim 36th Division (National Revolutionary Army) governed southern Xinjiang in 1934–1937. The administration which was set up was colonial in nature, the Chinese Muslims started putting up street signs and names in Chinese, which used to be in only Uighur language. They wanted to live as much of a life like Chinese, importing Chinese cooks and baths.[11] The Chinese Muslims also switched carpet patterns from Uyghur to Chinese in state owned carpet factories.[12]

[edit]Taiwan
After the Republic of China took control of Taiwan in 1945 and relocated its capital to Taipei in 1949, the intention of Chiang Kai-shek was to eventually go back to mainland China and retake control of it. Chiang believed that to retake mainland China, it would be necessary to sinicize Taiwan's inhabitants. Examples of this policy included the renaming of streets, use of Mandarin Chinese in schools and punishments for using other languages, and teaching students to revere Confucian ethics, develop Han Chinese nationalism, and believe Taiwan is part of China.[13][14] Other reasons for the policy were to combat the Japanese influences on the culture that had occurred in the previous 50 years, and to help unite the recent immigrants from mainland China that had come to Taiwan with the KMT and among whom there was a tendency to be more loyal to one's city, country or province than to China as a nation.[15]

[edit]Tibet
Main article: Sinicization of Tibet
The sinicization of Tibet is the change of Tibetan society to Han Chinese standards, by means of cultural assimilation, immigration, and political reform.[16][17]

[edit]In popular culture

In some forms of fiction, due to China's communist statehood, Soviet-themed characters are de-Sovietized and switched over to become Chinese to fit modern (post-Cold War) times. The original cut of Red Dawn depicted a Chinese invasion before having said information leaked to the Global Times, sparking controversy in China and threatening its airing in the country. In 2006, Chinese versions of the Crimson Dynamo and the Abomination were created and made members of the Liberators in Marvel Comics.

Sinicization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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94% or so are Han Chinese as per the Chinese Govt,

Now this is the original Han area

Yan Huang (Chinese language: t 炎黃, s 炎黄, p Yán Huáng) was the name of an ethnic group of ancient China who inhabited the Yellow River basin area. They claimed their descent from the two tribes led by the Yan and Yellow Emperors. vTheir main achievement was to join together and strengthen the basis of the two tribes and their civilized community. They were the source of the Chinese people and the initiators of Chinese culture.

In the original sense, Huaxia refers to a confederation of tribes—living along the Yellow River—who were the ancestors of what later became the Han ethnic group in China.

Are they the 94% Hans and the rest of China is vacant land?
 

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