The Davis Cup Thread

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  1. Tactical Frog

    Tactical Frog Senior Member Senior Member

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    All things Davis Cup. India may be the badminton country, it has a tennis team too ! (and a great history)
     
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    India’s tryst with the Davis Cup
    Mahesh Bhupathi’s strategy to focus on singles matches in Davis Cup has not produced tangible results yet. But in the long run, it may be the best bet
    Sachin P. Mampatta


    The Davis Cup finals begin today, with France facing Belgium on home turf. India’s hopes in the 2017 Davis Cup, billed as the World Cup of tennis, was dashed when it crashed out at the play-off stage earlier this year after its loss to Canada. This is the fourth year in a row that India has faced elimination at the play-off round.

    The last time India reached the finals of the Davis Cup was exactly 30 years ago in 1987, when it lost 0-5 to Sweden. India reached the finals on two other occasions as well—in 1966, when it lost 1-4 to Australia, and in 1974, when it was supposed to play against South Africa in the finals. However, India refused to play in South Africa to protest against apartheid, and South Africa won by default.

    As the chart below shows, the 1960s were in some ways the golden age of tennis in the country, with a relatively high win-loss ratio in Davis Cup matches for India.


    India’s win-loss ratio declined sharply in the subsequent decades before beginning to rise gradually since the 1990s. But unlike in the past, when India banked on its singles performances for its Davis Cup campaigns, India tended to focus largely on its impressive doubles duo of Leander Paes and Mahesh Bhupathi in the 1990s and 2000s. The fall in the average singles performance of Indian players also might have necessitated such a strategy.

    This has begun to change under the India’s non-playing captain Bhupathi, with the focus reverting to singles. The rise in the singles rankings of Indian players over the past few years also justifies such a strategy. As the charts below show, the median ranking of top tennis players in singles has risen significantly over the past few years even though the doubles rankings still look better.


    Given that singles matches outnumber doubles in every Davis Cup tie, there is no recourse but to focus on singles to mount a successful campaign. It is worth remembering that the 1966 campaign was powered by the singles victories of Ramanathan Krishnan, who won five matches that year. The 1974 performance was on the back of the impressive performances of the Amritraj brothers, who won five singles matches between them. In 1987, Ramesh Krishnan and Vijay Amritraj won nine matches between them. India only won one doubles match that year.

    Bhupathi’s strategy to focus on singles has not produced tangible results yet. But in the long run, it may be the best bet.

    http://www.livemint.com/Sports/Oab6dmzhz26PEX3meqOv6I/Indias-tryst-with-the-Davis-Cup.html

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    salute Senior Member Senior Member

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    lol , badminton ??? tennis ??? post something about some tournament if it has cricket otherwise so no one gonna give sh*t about it .
     
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    Tactical Frog Senior Member Senior Member

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    Too bad ! I like tennis history.

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    Tennis In India: The Top 5 players

    arpit kumar11
    Editor's Pick 23 Apr, 2011

    Like Cricket, Tennis is a game which was brought to India as a result of the British Empire. It’s most vital origins can be traced back to the 1880′s when civilian officers exhibited greater interest in the game. As a result some tournaments were soon initiated such as the Punjab Lawn Tennis Championship (1885) and the Bengal Lawn Tennis Championship (1887). These are simple facts that you will find about after googling “Tennis in India”.

    What you will not find is that, like Cricket, the game was initially a monopoly of the rich and gentlemanly class. But unlike Cricket, Tennis has failed to get a grip of the masses in India and still, after 120 years of its inception, remains a game for the elite class. However, the last decade has saw a transformation which was mainly led by the arrival of a young Hyderabadi girl in the game. However, great the game itself maybe – it has always been the players who have engrossed the masses and brought it to the pedestal that it stands.

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    This transformation was certainly needed as Tennis was a game restricted to a certain few and why it could not adapt itself as quickly as cricket could can have many answers. Not going into that much, the most probable might be the fact that it cannot be really practiced in the narrow lanes that Indian middle class occupies. In addition to that, there was not so much economic superfluity until now that parents might actually consider their children for coaching or even provide them with any exposure to fancy games like lawn tennis.

    To flip the pages of history and dust off some archives, we would find our tennis icons gradually contributing in this larger transformation or rather making the picture bits by bits. Paul Bailey says of one such icon, “Ramesh Krishnan, like his father Ramanathan before him, was brought up to play tennis for its own sake. Touch players such as the Krishnans often came from wealthy families, with little hunger for self-improvement and financial success.”

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    Ramanathan Krishnan with his father T.K. Ramanathan
    Ramanathan Krishnan and Ramesh Krishnan

    Ramanathan Krishnan played Tennis in the 1950′s and 60′s , putting India on the Tennis Map winning boy’s singles Wimbledon Title in 1954. He has the distinction beating Rod Laver (Davis Cup, 1959) among many other greats and was held as a top player in his time.

    When the decade of the 60′s dawned Ramanathan played at his peak form reaching consecutively in ’60 and ’61 the semi-finals of the Wimbledon. He entered both these Wimbledon’s seeded 7th and lost a step before the Finals unfortunately. He is known for his elegant touch play and drop shots, and many critics have called Roger Federer his descendant.

    Ramanathan’s achievement is furthered in the fact that he trained his son Ramesh Krishnan to become the player he was. By the time Ramesh began playing, there was greater competition to cope with and higher standards. He proved upto the task reaching the quarter finals of three grand slams in the 1980′s. Before that he had repeated his father’s feat of winning the boy’s singles Wimbledon title, and furthered it by winning the French Open boy’s title too. Ramesh was an integral part of India’s Davis Cup team and had an impeccable record of 29-21 wins!

    Vijay Amritraj

    Vijay Amritraj is a familiar face in those Indian households who have begun to take a deep interest in televised grand slam events and recognize him as co-anchor with Alan Wilkins, who commentates with his crystal clear voice and gives the audience a perspective on Roger Federer’s exquisite backhand.

    As a player Amritraj gave India a presence in the 70′s as he reached two quarter finals of Grand Slam events. It was then followed by a lean patch at the Grand Slams until 1981 when he repeated the same feat but meanwhile he continued winning singles titles amassing 16 titles by the end of his illustrious career. He attained a career high ranking of 16 in 1980.

    Vijay Amritraj has done a lot for Indian Tennis over the years and can be looked at as one who has played a key role in the transformation i am talking about. His being a part celebrity with small role in the Bond film Octopussy also helped the cause in a small way.

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    Amritraj in his playing days
    Leander Paes and Mahesh Bhupathi

    Any discussion on Indian Tennis greats must pass through these two names and if the perspective is of an Indian fan, the two would be talked together. The teaming up of Mahesh Bhupathi and Leander Paes for India at Davis Cups and as a team at Grand Slams has been very successful. This is where the medium of television being the moderator brought Tennis to our homes and these two were our protagonists.

    Leander Paes stands out for his Bronze Medal at the 1992 Olympics in Men’s Singles. He has 6 Grand Slam Men’s Doubles Titles, 3 of which are with Mahesh. He won his latest title at the US Open 2009. Along with this he has 6 Mixed Doubles Titles as well out of which 2 are with Martina Navratilova and 3 with Cara Black. However, Paes has only one singles ATP title.

    Mahesh Bhupathi on the other hand has been an equal and complementary force in Indian Tennis. He has won 11 Grand Slam Doubles Titles including 4 Men’s Doubles and 7 Mixed Doubles. He won 3 of his Men’s doubles titles with Leander. Mahesh Bhupathi is also a mentor to Sania Mirza and won his most recent Mixed Doubles title with her at the 2009 Australian Open.

    Sania Mirza

    It is a huge huge exaggeration to add her in an extension of this list which has more illustrious names, but fortunately Sania Mirza finds herself here because of her larger contribution to the game’s popularity in India as a symbol of gender empowerment, modern Muslim sensibility and the rise of the middle class. She has one Mixed Doubles Title with Mahesh Bhupathi and was runner up at the 2008 Mixed Doubles Australian Open.

    These sportsmen have moved Tennis in Indian gradually to a position where it enjoys widespread fan following and a few very loyal supporters. A young breed of Tennis Players like Somdev Devvarman and Prakash Amritraj have been doing their best to propel Tennis even further. It seems like India needs a breakthrough singles player and will accelerate this process much more.
     
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    salute Senior Member Senior Member

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    @Tactical Frog
    me dont know about the members of forum but for common persons from sub contient tennis is not just a boring game but they may not even know anything about tennis like its basic rules or how the scores are being at this sport , same thing about badminton even if at india badminton is a back streets sport .
     
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    Tactical Frog Senior Member Senior Member

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    Okie. Maybe they heard about Rafael Nadal when googling Rafael deal o_O
     
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    Congrats @Tactical Frog for ur nations Davis cup victory after so long years . I am really sad for Goffin ,he actually pull the team all the way upto this stage :frown:. he don't even get time to recover from WTF loss.
    Now when will French player gonna win GS ? It's truly shocking that no french player with slam since 1983 .
     
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    Goffin was awesome. Future #1 or #2 player in the world from what I have seen.

    I believe there is some kind of jinx stopping that :wink:
     
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    I wish he would , but don't seem possible practically . He is way to inconsistent , and fold against heavy name . Federer never was in top form in WTF , but still that a great victory ,but again he fail to liveup after that match and despite playing better lose the F against Dimi.
    Just hope he peak in clay swing and stop Rafa in RG ...:biggrin2:
     
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    When someone talks about Davis Cup I still remember India vs France at Frejus in 1993, was one of the best moment of nostalgia. The last match heroic fight of Ramesh Krishnan, bad light pushed the tie into the fourth day, and Ramesh came back to win. Being a very much underdog India had won that tie. I still remember.

    People will always love Leander Paes because of his Davis Cup journey and fighting spirit for country.
     
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    A lot of people know about Tennis rules simply because they played this as kids.

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    @Subbu Found this on YouTube . French journos whine about being defeated by underdog ( sore losers we are :crying:).

    Actually part of the problem was French number one Cedric Pioline (once a finalist at Wimbledon) declining to play for the team. And very bad team spirit overall.



     

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