Secret Pakistan - Double Cross/Backlash (BBC Series)

[mayfair]

Is the second round of operation going to start to destroy WMD in the hands of Army of Pakistan. Let us bring back Bush and his team to White House again and see what he can do. I hope they stop making documentaries and make a plan to get rid of entire ISI and PA and get their hands on all involved in training and put them through trial as was done to Nazis in Nuremberg, Germany.

Have you forgotten that the biggest and most of the American blunders vis-a-vis Pakistan happened under the aegs of the Bush regime? Nuremberg trials are a wrong precedent in this case and in any case several middle and high ranking Nazis escaped and found themselves back in the West German administration. Several (including scientists) were squirrelled away to US or co-opted by the Americans to fight the Soviets. Soviets did something similar as well.

I suspect the Americans will pull off another Gehlen organisation with the Pakis than treating them like Israel did to Adolf Eichmann.

 

[Adux]

Jemima Khan donates cameras to Pak tribal leaders to record damage done by US drones

TruthDive

What a horribly stupid woman! What those Aloo Anday kids said is so true, Tehrik-i-Insaf is nothing but good looking TTP or was it Jamat - i -Islami

 

[Syd]

Is the second round of operation going to start to destroy WMD in the hands of Army of Pakistan. Let us bring back Bush and his team to White House again and see what he can do. I hope they stop making documentaries and make a plan to get rid of entire ISI and PA and get their hands on all involved in training and put them through trial as was done to Nazis in Nuremberg, Germany.

While the BBC is screening this, we in the UK are hosting Gen Pervez Musharaff in London. He has been living here since he left office. Based on the evidence of the the British police should arrest him for the 7/7 bombings in London.

 

[thakur_ritesh]

While the BBC is screening this, we in the UK are hosting Gen Pervez Musharaff in London. He has been living here since he left office. Based on the evidence of the the British police should arrest him for the 7/7 bombings in London.

arrests dont happen till the time assets gone rouge like david headley, and even now david headley is trying to convince the CIA of his vast network that can be of use to the CIA, musharraf is much better, much more influential, potential important role to play if imran khan, a closet jihadi, was to make it as the PM, they will always require their assets all around him and every chance the deal then negotiated could be of having musharraf as a president.

if noticed, britain feeds a lot of such elements, dig on the arab spring, and quite a few "rebels" had during their trying times taken refuge there.

 

[ejazr]

I think that's a tad unfair. You will find that organisations such as Hezbollah, Hamas, Jema Islamiya, Abu Sayaf, Al Shabaab among others have no less claim to that distinction.

Well Hizbullah and Hamas are both localised. Hizbullah was formed in the 1980s as a response to occupation of southern lebanon and Hamas in the Gaza for the same reason. They have only aimed or targeted the localised conflict area unlike say AQ.

But other than that, the other three organizations have ties to the Soviet Afghan war as well. Abu Sayyaf group members went to Afghanistan to get training in terrorist tactics under CIA/ISI trainers and they came back and trained more people in their area. JI leaders were also recruited to fight in Afghanistan. And the head of Al Shabaad is Ibrahim Haji Jama Mee'aad who is also known as Ibrahim Al-Afghani was also a veteran of the Soviet-Afghan "Jihad".

You see, during the 80s the West as well as Muslim countries aligned to the west fully supported radicals and youths around the world from the US to the Philippines to enter Afghanistan. It was the time of an "Islamic-Christian alliance against Communism" in the words of Reagan (someone who had also referred Jalaluddin Haqqani as the equivalent of the founding fathers of the US).
Once in Afghanistan these people were given training by trainers from various intelligence agencies. And now these raw reserve of militants trained by some of the best intelligence agencies in the world were left free to pursue their aims.

In the book "Unholy Wars: Afghanistan, American and International Terrorism", investigative reporter documents how the CIA funded Abu Sayyaf members and trained them for operations in Afghanistan. And document even groups Uighurs in China that were recruited for the war in Afghanistan under co-operation with Deng Xiaoping and CIA and use of the Xinjiang territories by them to monitor Soviet missiles in Central Asia.

Of course the ideological origins of some of the "ideas" about extremist religious nationalism is much earlier than this. It is mainly based around the post colonial ideas and revolutionary movements of the early 20th century with ideologues like Syed Qutb providing the foundation. But these were fringe fanatic groups with no mass appeal or firepower. It was the Soviet-Afghan war that ended up giving them that "teeth" and making them far more powerful that they would have been in the normal course of events. And the fact that Muslim majority countries like Pakistan and Saudi Arabia played a pivotal role in that makes them squarely responsible. Pakistan more so because they continue to use the same tactic even while the Saudis have been burned and seem to have taken a turn to the better.

A documentary on the "ideological" origins is here http://defenceforumindia.com/docume...ico-religous-movements-islamists-neocons.html

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For those interested, the BBC had done another documentary earlier this year that was quite similar in a way although this was more focussing on International terrorism aspect rather than Afghanistan.
http://defenceforumindia.com/general-multimedia/20958-secret-war-terror-latest-bbc-documentary.html

 

[anoop_mig25]

] the same tactic even while the Saudis have been burned and seem to have taken a turn to the better.

A documentary on the "ideological" origins is here http://defenceforumindia.com/docume...ico-religous-movements-islamists-neocons.html

when did saudi got burned. i donot think any terrorist attacked saudis or even their king/family of SA

 

[Bangalorean]

Episode 2 of Secret Pakistan (double cross) is out!!!

Episode 2 of Secret Pakistan is out!!

Secret Pakistan Backlash Ep2 Part 16 - YouTube
Secret Pakistan Backlash Ep2 Part 26 - YouTube
Secret Pakistan Backlash Ep2 Part 36 - YouTube
Secret Pakistan Backlash Ep2 Part 46 - YouTube
Secret Pakistan Backlash Ep2 Part 56 - YouTube
Secret Pakistan Backlash Ep2 Part 66 - YouTube

Enjoy!!

EDIT: Added part 56

 

[Singh]

where is part 56 ??

 

[Bangalorean]

Will get in on youtube and put it in

 

[SPIEZ]

Isn't this something India has been saying for a very long time ?

 

[LurkerBaba]

where is part 56 ??

 

[thakur_ritesh]

Avi's post on the first page edited. Both the parts to be found on the first page of the thread

Secret Pakistan - Double Cross (Part I)

Secret Pakistan - Double Cross (Part II)

 

[ejazr]

when did saudi got burned. i donot think any terrorist attacked saudis or even their king/family of SA

Well the Saudis first started experiencing the backlash starting in the mid-90s with some bomb attacks. The period 2003-2006 saw major terrorist attacks on Saudi security organizations, oil infrastructure as well as just civilian targets like housing complexes and the like. Remember one of the primary goals of OBL was to overthrow the Al-Saud regime. One of the reasons why Al-Qaeda was believed to have a cold peace with Iran as both shared the same goal of de-stablising Saudi Arabia via Iraq.

Here is a partial list of attacks since 2003 in Saudi Arabia inclufing attacks on intelligence chiefs and some failed assassination plots.
List of militant incidents in Saudi Arabia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But unlike Pakistan, the Saudis - espicially after Abdullah came to power - clamped down on religous extremists and shutting down their finances. Taking military action against militants. And starting a publicly visible and theological campaign against extremist ideology in general.

The closest Saudi militants that came to assassinating a royal was the suicide bombing against Prince Muhammed bin Nayef - minister of internal security and son of the current crown prince.
Saudi Suicide Bombing: Senior Prince Injured

 

[hit&run]

They were able to kill just 1100 while bombing the hell out of Tora Bora?

I would give Indian Army credit for killing these Rats faster and in large numbers anyone could have done. The best method to kill these Pakistanis is to Ambush the Ambush like one American said he did in Afghanistan and like Hrithik Roshan did on the advice of Om Puri in movie Lakshey : P.
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One must not forget the 1965 war when Indian army swept out all those rag tag cowards within weeks.
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I am not going to cry for these westerners who are exposing Pakistan and mourning for their brave ones cause in their peace times these same media bastards and their govts. will be preaching us about Human rights of these Pakistani terrorists in Kashmir; we are fighting since 3 decades.

 

[Rahul92]

Secret BBC - Pakistan Double Cross on Terrorism

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Pakistan Double Cross on Terrorism - Full


Secret Pakistan BBC - Double Cross : This first episode investigates duplicity that emerged after 9/11 and disturbing intelligence reports after Britain's forces entered Helmand in 2006.

In May this year, US Special Forces shot and killed Osama Bin Laden in Pakistan. Publicly Pakistan is one of America's closest allies - yet every step of the operation was kept secret from it.

Filmed largely in Pakistan and Afghanistan, this two-part documentary series explores how a supposed ally stands accused by top CIA officers and Western diplomats of causing the deaths of thousands of coalition soldiers in Afghanistan.

The documentary makers meet serving Taliban commanders who describe the support they get from Pakistan in terms of weapons, training and a place to hide.

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[Blackwater]

While the BBC is screening this, we in the UK are hosting Gen Pervez Musharaff in London. He has been living here since he left office. Based on the evidence of the the British police should arrest him for the 7/7 bombings in london.

They cant ,mushy knows pak nukes info. They need him or what u think they gave him asylum becoz of his shit paki face

 

[Ray]

Secret BBC - Pakistan Double Cross on Terrorism - Full

Secret BBC - Pakistan Double Cross on Terrorism - Full


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[Ray]

Re: Secret BBC - Pakistan Double Cross on Terrorism - Full

The USA thoughtlessly throwing vast amounts of cash at poor countries like Pakistan is precisely what is encouraging the Pakistani state and other poor countries never to eradicate and always to sustain Islamic extremist terrorism because Pakistan and the rest reasonably believe that if they had no Islamic extremist terrorists to cause problems for the world then they would not get their corrupt hands on quite so much aid money to spend on, in Pakistan's case, making more nuclear weapons and on other things that the aid recipient country's elite want.

It's not just Pakistan but also Egypt and a host of other countries know that the best way to get their state bankrolled by the USA's aid money is to invest some time and effort in covertly organising Islamic extremist terrorists in their country and in other countries. Then the country puts on a "good cop, bad cop" routine for the USA's pleasure asking for cash to deal with the very terrorist problem which they themselves have created.

So the USA is paying, inadvertently, for and encouraging terrorism which undermines its own national security all the while thinking to itself it needs to pay up "for" national security whereas its foolish payments are really acting against its own national security.

The solution to "Islamic" terrorism is not to pay military aid to Pakistan because the terrorism is being organised not for God but for money.

The US and other NATO countries could force Pakistan honestly to confront and end their business of terrorism by ceasing all military aid and by bombing the Pakistani ISI for their part in organising Taliban terrorism.

By paying military aid to Pakistan etc the USA is simply encouraging the Pakistani state covertly to promote the terrorist perversion of Islam so as to keep that aid money flowing.

A similar argument applies with Saudi and other wealthy states support for Islamic terrorism but in the case of those oil-rich states who don't need aid, what they do need from the US and other Western countries is to maintain business-as-usual and political support rather than any Western intention to pursue regime-change towards democratic republican regimes for the Arabs.

So the Saudi royals and other Arab royals paint the only possible political alternative to the Arab monarchs' "stable" rule as being instability leading to the terrorists the Saudis covertly support seizing power and becoming the official government.

But whether the hidden reason for state sponsors of terrorism is cash for poor country elites or business and political support for rich country elites, the "Islamic" justification only really exists in the minds of the terrorists but since it is the stated reason then unscientific and popular political commentators tend to discuss that to the exclusion of the real political reasons why states sponsor terrorism.

For my ideas of how we can win the war on terror in Pakistan please see my topic in the SWC - "OEF - Afghanistan" forum

How to beat the Taliban in Afghanistan / Pakistan (and win the war on terror) - Small Wars Council

 

[Ray]

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