Rustom 2 MALE UAV

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  1. Indx TechStyle

    Indx TechStyle War Mongerer Veteran Member Senior Member

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    Are you on every thread to bash Indian products.
    Even if IAF is going to buy them, they'll stop after reading your posts.
     
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    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    If they have announced of testing it, I doubt the claims you make are true ..

    They have got new 180bhp engines and this prototype is not previous one ..

    I am very sure they will add 8KN engines on latter prototypes, Rustom 2 design has changed ..

     
  3. Raj Malhotra

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    I am all for Indian products. For instance, I am for Akash and against MRSAM as MRSAM is Indian only in name sake. In other instances, I want to point out that Indian products are deliberately being delayed to help foreign products. How am I against Indian products? Did I delay LUH or Rustom-2? Did I prevent orders for Dhanush howitzer?

    Regards Rustom-2, I am pointing out the design anomalies which will prevent it from getting into mass production. Whats wrong in saying that imported Piston engine which weight 180kg and produces only 165hp should be replaced by Indian license manufactured Turboprop Garrett which also weighs 180kg but produce 700-1200hp? Did I make Rustom-2 heavy? Did I make Himalayas so high that piston powered UAVs are inadequate?
     
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    Do 8KN engines is enough for Rustom? because it is looking too heavy.....
     
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    I think this would not be the case. IAF with the current dispensation on helm will be forced to accept into service as much of the money was spent on this project. I must say the current government is very particular about financial accountability in research and PSUs. For even a rupee spent in any old project sanctioned by earlier govt, they are asking about output and thinking of using it by any means to recover the investment.
    For Rustom-2, I think it looks vintage (Euphemism for outdated..!) by design for a layman like me. I mean when we look around, forget about US, even Chinese drones look far better. This design has only one unique feature; its dual turboprops which I have seen nowhere. I think the aviation experts on this forum can bring out the salient features of Rustom-2 and its future.
     
  6. Kunal Biswas

    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    I don`t think its shown yet in public ..

     
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    What is the SFC of those two engines? Maybe the answer lies in that?
     
  8. Raj Malhotra

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    You are absolutely correct that due to higher SFC of turboprop engines, more fuel is required. Such argument was made, for instance, for P-3 vs P-8 aircraft also. But UCAV is useless unless it takes off and flies with adequate payload. Hence, ADE will have to accept a faster, higher flying UCAV, with higher payload, more likely to survive in contested space, able to cover more ground but with less loitering endurance in time, equivalent to Reaper or Heron TP.
     
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    Bhailog, currently Rustom-2 is mandated to be flown with 360 kg payload. Which most likely means sensors only. So its a UAV with some potential for UCAV type missions with probably 4 Helinas but with much reduced endurance.

    Piston powered engines were the first to be used for UAVs. Condor had a very serious altitude record for a long time while at the same time flew for 2.5 days. MQ-1 was also piston powered. After all before the Americans went on to produce MQ-9 they were also trying out a lot of things.

    And the SFC is so low for piston powered engines that probably Rustom-2 will manage full endurance full payload with just around 700-800 kg of fuel.

    Ultimately for all UAVs as well as UCAVs the airframe is an exo-skeleton kind of like an ant. Ant has the power to carry a lot of load but only because the exo-skeleton is strong and is able to leverage the power generated by the inner organs. Let them proof the airframe, the datalinks and navigation software. These by themselves are a set of uniquely difficult task. Once done its only going to be a matter of predictable and calculate-able trade-offs among fuel, power and payload. But for this trade off to begin we have to have an airframe that has the matching capability to be so turned around.

    A later variant of Rustom-2 probably with much more CFC usage, too should be able to host a bigger engine. Though I would like to see a Rustom-3 instead.

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    Unlike Talarian, The engines of rustom will be under wings as its props as of now ..

     
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    Comparison of MRSAM and Akash is unrelated.
     
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    Any flight test update?? Tomorrow is last date!!!
     
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    Maybe test flight is dependant on climate.Bangalore is definitely cloudy, going by news reports...

    Members from Bangalore can confirm...
     
  15. Raj Malhotra

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    Wondering whether we will get news of some flight or a new pretext-excuse?

    Anyway, the whole point of Rustom-2 to deliver a MALE UAV quickly has been defeated by HAL. I think while we should continue working on Rustom-2, we need to issue R&D contracts for Rustom-3 & 4 to private sector. Rustom-3 can be UCAV equipped with turboprop engines (Garrett?) equivalent to Eitan and Predator B sought to be imported by India. Rustom-4 can be UCAV equipped with Turbofan engines (AL-55 or HTSE-25) equivalent to Predator Cs or even Global Hawk.
     
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    why India is Not developing HALE UAV like [edited]

    & how we will get sensors like synthetic aperture radars , EOTS & irst ?
     
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    Flight test to be carried in Chitradurga 230km from Bangalore no rain there normally it is dry flat plain

    Pachi was tested in Kolar runway , even in kolar it is clear sky today
     
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    Again deadline jumped , as quoted this is frustrating as we are losing UAV's off air

    Scientists at the Aeronautical Development Establishment (ADE) would move to the test range later this week for the trial as an window between July 28 and August 2 would be kept open for the flight in the presence of Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar

    http://www.deccanherald.com/content/557158/rustom-ii-uav-tested-chitradurga.html
     
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    Navy to back Indigenous Rustom Drones
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