Russia ready to sell Su-35 fighter jets to China

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well, Russians are quite unconfident on the future.they knows that CHina is just one neck behind Russia now and due to poor economy and budget,Russian aircraft industry will have no chance to win the race the the future at all.

that is why Russians blah "China copy this" "CHina copy that" all day and all night Now while they shut their mouth up when Chinese aircraft industry was miles behind one decade ago
I dont agree, China did copy the Su-30 and its a legitimate concern of Russian industries to complain. China is merely reverse engineering Russian stuff like their engines and aircraft's.

Moreover China is still buys a lot of Russian aircrafts. The PAK-FA is also out and that puts russia way ahead of China which is still does not have any 5th gen flying.
 

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Just prior to this post you yourself farted that China is self reliant in aircraft manufacturing . I completely agree that Russian planes are junks. No one should buy them. At least Almighty China should avoid buying those junks .

But question remains same "why is China buying them ?"
case is that CHina is not buying birds from Russia now.
 

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Did you read the news at the first page?
the news at the first page is just a wishful imagination and marketing tricks from Russian hawkers.

in fact, in the past several years, Russian has kept on doing so,,,first is Su33,then SU34,then new Su27,then SU30..then Mig29, now it is turn of S35
 
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You are not answering simple logic, 'If China is so self-sufficient in aircraft engineering, why China is still buying from Russia??'
Why it is so BG?
Chinese have to do something when all neighboring countries will have a fifth generation plane and they are still flying third generation.
 
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the news at the first page is just a wishful imagination and marketing tricks from Russian hawkers.

in fact, in the past several years, Russian has kept on doing so,,,first is Su33,then SU34,then new Su27,then SU30..then Mig29, now it is turn of S35
What took you so long to understand that its a propaganda by Russians?
 

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the news at the first page is just a wishful imagination and marketing tricks from Russian hawkers.

in fact, in the past several years, Russian has kept on doing so,,,first is Su33,then SU34,then new Su27,then SU30..then Mig29, now it is turn of S35
Yet China did by Su-30MKK and has also placed an order for IL-76 aerial refuelers from Russia. Not to mention most of the aircrafts are clones of Russian design.
 

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Yet China did by Su-30MKK and has also placed an order for IL-76 aerial refuelers from Russia. Not to mention most of the aircrafts are clones of Russian design.
well, China also bought mig21 in 1960.. Soviet also buy bird from UK and USA during WW II......

As for Il76...now Russian has lost the capacity to produce Il76 in fact, because its industry chains for such big plane is broken,so CHina has cancel the order.
 

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Well if this is true then this is really bad news for India. China will have more access to technology now and also might have a more advanced Sukhoi then India now. I actually wouldn't be surprised if one day China is offered PAKFA also.

The only way we can prepare is to get the most potent MMRCA aircraft available and also start inducting more modern fighters in a shorter timeframe.
 

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the news at the first page is just a wishful imagination and marketing tricks from Russian hawkers.

in fact, in the past several years, Russian has kept on doing so,,,first is Su33,then SU34,then new Su27,then SU30..then Mig29, now it is turn of S35
Oh yes! Russians wanted to sell the aircraft when chinese approached them but, in whole one piece as a complete product. However Chinese have been begging & dreaming to import only subsystems they are missing so they can RE & produce thousands of copy of same. Here is something from late 2007 to understand Chinese strategy.

China seeks new Russian technology

At the MAKS 2007 International Aviation and Space Salon held at the Zhukovsky Air Base near Moscow in August, Chinese delegates took photos and videos of the Su-35 virtually every day.

"Several Chinese delegations have visited Sukhoi and raised technical questions," the Sukhoi company representative said. He claimed the two sides have reached a consensus and are now working on export plans.

"Our attitude on this issue is the same as the case of the Su-33; that is, we are only interested in exporting whole Su-35s. This is not what the Chinese delegates hoped for. They hoped to import only certain subsystems, for instance the radar systems or the engines." He said

Dr. Yury Bely, a general designer at Russia's NIIP Radar Design Bureau, agreed to discuss the question. "It is impossible to import the Su-35's radar system only," he said.
 
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Oh yes! Russians wanted to sell the aircraft when chinese approached them but, in whole one piece as a complete product. However Chinese have been begging & dreaming to import only subsystems they are missing so they can RE & produce thousands of copy of same. Here is something from late 2007 to understand Chinese strategy.

China seeks new Russian technology

for your reference...here are the comment from Russians and Ukraines.

China revealed during a recent defense industry show that its defense electronics are rapidly advancing to First World military standards.

The communist regime's defense electronics prowess was on display at the recent China Defense Electronics Exposition (CIDEX) in Beijing from May 12 to 14.

"The type of components I am seeing in China are not readily available anywhere — except maybe in the U.S.," said a Ukrainian defense electronics specialist who attended the show.

"If I go to a European supplier looking for similar products, they will probably tell me that they are just not in series production yet — maybe in six months or more they might be," he said.

"The best I might hope for is to be given one or two 'working models' that I could only use for development and design work, but nothing I could use to turn out a final, manufactured product for a customer," the Ukrainian specialist said. "But here in China, I can buy as many of these as I need — and usually at a lower price."

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Foreign participants — sellers and buyers — are aware of the PLA sponsorship. On the buying side, foreign delegations came from Russia and Ukraine looking at purchasing Chinese electronics and other components and systems for their own weapons applications.

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"In many areas, Chinese [military] equipment is either equal to in capability or superior to that designed in Russia in the present day," said a Moscow-based defense analyst. "It is only a matter of time before they pass up Russia completely and achieve parity with U.S. and European weapon systems."
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jun/27/china-us-europe-standards-weapons-electronics/


In the 1990s, when the Russian defence was in danger of drying up and closing its doors due to an almost complete collapse in any funding from their own government, it was China that saved the day. China bought billions in military hardware from Russia, but it also sent its engineers, designers and technicians to study inside of Russian industry to learn how the weapons it was purchasing had been developed in the first place.

This transfer of technological know-how, plus some enormous investments by the Chinese military into its state-owned industries (what more than one Russian has referred to as "uncontrolled and rampant modernisation") has produced a defence electronics industry that far outstrips the size and capacity of that which existed in Russia when Chinese industry first began their cooperation with Moscow in the early 1990s.

Today the former students (the Chinese) have become the masters. Chinese industry now has the ability to produce components that the Russian electronics industry (after almost two decades of no investment by their government) is no longer capable of either designing or manufacturing. The initial failure rates on the production of transmit/receive (T/R) modules for the Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radars being designed for the Mikoyan MiG-35 and the Sukhoi T-50/PAK-FA 5th-generation fighter, for example, were so high that it would have bankrupted any western firm involved in a similar programme.

Not surprisingly, this year's CIDEX show saw groups of Russian specialists going through the halls and looking for components that they could source out of China to be utilised in Russian-designed weapon systems. Russian specialists will point out that they are now at a huge disadvantage to the Chinese in two very significant respects.
http://www.strategycenter.net/research/pubID.230/pub_detail.asp
 

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well, China also bought mig21 in 1960.. Soviet also buy bird from UK and USA during WW II......

As for Il76...now Russian has lost the capacity to produce Il76 in fact, because its industry chains for such big plane is broken,so CHina has cancel the order.
Thats not true, we just bought Il-76 for our Radar. Do you have any source for this? Moreover we are working together now in the defense industry to make the next generation.

Russian buying during WW-2 and you buying Russian stuff are not the same, they did not reverse engineer everything they designed their own aeroplains.
 
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"In many areas, Chinese [military] equipment is either equal to in capability or superior to that designed in Russia in the present day," said a Moscow-based defense analyst. "It is only a matter of time before they pass up Russia completely and achieve parity with U.S. and European weapon systems."
Today the former students (the Chinese) have become the masters. Chinese industry now has the ability to produce components that the Russian electronics industry (after almost two decades of no investment by their government) is no longer capable of either designing or manufacturing. The initial failure rates on the production of transmit/receive (T/R) modules for the Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radars being designed for the Mikoyan MiG-35 and the Sukhoi T-50/PAK-FA 5th-generation fighter, for example, were so high that it would have bankrupted any western firm involved in a similar programme.
Bottomline is China is still going for Su35 . Badguy you should be head of weapons procurement team in China. I donot know from where those idiots gets idea of buying Russian Junks.

Dont you understand USA military propoganda of overhyping chinese weapons to get more and more funding? dont be too happy about these reports .
 

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Sukhoi Su-35

By Sergei Drobyshev

Picture by: Neville Dawson

Subj: SU-35: AIRCRAFT OF THE 21st CENTURY

by Sergei Drobyshev
Head of the Regional Policy and Marketing Department, KnAAPO
Via Easy Tartar

The development of a new combat aircraft is a most intricate gestation period from the R & D work to launch it into series production and operation. A major role here is played by the manufacturer, because there is a long way between the creation of a prototype and the production of a series aircraft. So, during the launch into series production of the Su-27 aircraft developed with the direct participation of specialists from the Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aircraft Manufacturing Company (KnAAPO), over 50,000 revisions and corrections have been introduced into the designs of the airframe and airborne systems. Without the concerted efforts of KnAAPO, Sukhoi EDB and hundreds of allied enterprises, this wonderful machine would remain a mere blueprint. The design potential of the Su-27 aircraft made it possible for the Sukhoi EDB to develop, on its basis, some new versions of combat aircraft for various roles, such as the Su-27UB combat trainer, Su-30 multipurpose two-seater, Su-33 deck-based fighter, Su-32FN front-line bomber and, of course, the Su-35 multipurpose fighter. A pioneer in the production of the Su-27s, KnAAPO also contributed to the creation of these aircraft, generously sharing its technical and technological know-how tried out on the Su-27s, with other aircraft manufacturing factories which brought the production of these aircraft to the commercial level.​

Su-35 with the speedbrake open​
As soon as the work on the Su-35 was started by Sukhoi, the KnAAPO specialists actively participated in the project, designing units and assemblies for the future aircraft. Most experimental aircraft for the trials and a small series of them for the Russian Air Force have also been built by KnAAPO.
To enhance the combat effectiveness and expand the employment area of the aircraft, it was decided to create a multipurpose maneuverable fighter combining high agility and capacity to intercept air targets normally attacked by the Su-27 with a capability to attack ground and water surface targets by both unguided and guided, including high precision, weapons. The Su-35 met these requirements.
The Su-35 is intended to destroy existing and prospective remotely piloted vehicles, cruise missiles and other maneuverable targets against the earth background, day and night and in all weathers, to deliver preemptive strikes at any air enemy, including hardly discernible visual objects, to engage ground (and water surface) targets by carrying out standoff attacks with diverse guided weapons, including high-precision ones.
The installation of a new set of airborne equipment and additional (as compared to the Su-27) weapon systems on the aircraft required more hardpoints, a robust airframe, and called for changes in many airborne and airframe systems. The main landing gear struts have been modified and the two-wheel nose leg ruggedized.
For better agility and takeoff/landing performance, the aircraft was provided with a canard. In terms of aerodynamic layout, the Su-35 is an unstable integral triplane (wing + horizontal tail + canard). The required stability and control are assured by a remote control system. The canard notably assists in controlling the aircraft at large angles of attack and bringing it to a level flight condition. The Su-35 has now acquired a newly developed wing with increased relative thickness, accommodating a large amount of fuel. As in the Su-27, the wing of the Su-35 is provided with high-lift devices featured as deflecting leading edges and flaperons acting as both the flaps and ailerons. In flights at subsonic speeds, the wing profile curvature is changed by a remote control system which deflects the leading edges and flaperons versus the angle of attack.
The horizontal tail of the aircraft is essentially a differentially adjustable stabilizer each panel of which is provided with its own quick-acting electro-hydraulic actuator. For a greater combat employment range, the aircraft is fitted with an in-flight refueling system. Inasmuch as a refueling flight of the aircraft may be quite extended (6 - 8 hours or longer) and is only limited by the pilot's physical conditions, its cockpit is provided with containers to store reserves of food and water, and a waste disposal system. The amount of oxygen is increased too. The KD-36DM series ejector seat is set with its back inclined at 30 deg., which helps the pilot resist aircraft accelerations in air combat.
The Su-35 avionics equipment comprises:​
  • new-generation forward-looking pulse-doppler radar with a phased antenna array​
  • rearward-looking radar​
  • optical locator with combined functions of infra-red imager and laser range finder​
  • weapons control system​
  • helmet-mounted target designator​
  • radio reconnaissance system​
  • defense complex​
  • integrated display system using three high-contrast monochrome CRT's​
  • communications and navigation equipment​
To penetrate enemy air defenses, the Su-35 can fly at low altitudes using its terrain following and obstacle avoidance feature.
The armament of the aircraft consists of a fixed gun, aerial bombs, guided and unguided missiles. The missile-bomb armament is arranged at 12 hardpoints and comprises:​
  • prospective medium-range, type RVV-AE, air-to-air 'fire-and- forget' active homing missiles;​
  • medium-range air-to-air missiles of the R-27 family with semi- active radar and passive IR guidance, with engines both conventional and having increased power-to-weight ratio​
  • highly agile missiles of the R-73 class for close air maneuver combat with passive IR guidance and combined (air- and gas-dynamic) control​
  • the X-31A and X-31P air-to-ship and air-to-radar missiles with active and passive radar guidance and capable of flying at a supersonic speed​
  • the X-29 air-to-surface missiles with laser and TV guidance​
  • incendiary tanks, 100-kg, 250-kg and 500-kg bombs and bomb clusters for various purposes, including those fitted with a brake and used for low-altitude attacks​
Overall, over 70 versions of guided and unguided weapon stores may be employed, which allows the aircraft to fly most diverse tactical missions.
The flight-navigation equipment of the aircraft permits it to make flights in all weathers, day and night. The equipment includes a navigation complex, automatic flight control and remote control systems.
The navigation complex comprises an inertial directional system and short- and long-range radio navigation systems. The information produced by the systems goes to unified digital computers which compute the flight paths for a programmed route flight, target approach and return to the landing airfield.
The automatic flight control system of the Su-35 makes all phases of its flight automatic, including the combat employment of its weapons.
Once the automatic flight control system receives information from the navigation system, it solves the route flight tasks, involving a flight over the programmed waypoints, the return to the landing airfield, making a pre-landing maneuver and approach for landing down to an altitude of 60 m, as well as uses the data supplied from the weapons control and radio guidance command systems to direct the aircraft to the target and accomplish the attack.
For flight control, reliability and survivability, the aircraft has a remote control system with quadruple redundancy. Depending on the flight conditions, signals from the control stick position transmitter or automatic flight control system will be coupled to remote control amplifiers. Upon updating, depending on the flight speed and altitude, these signals are combined with feedback signals fed by acceleration sensors and rate gyros. The resultant control signals are coupled to the high-speed electro-hydraulic actuators of the stabilizers, rudders and canard. For greater reliability, all the computers work in parallel. The output signals are compared and, if the difference is significant, the faulty channel is disconnected.
An important part of the remote control system is based on a stall warning and barrier mechanism with an individual drive of its own. It prevents development of aircraft stalls through a dramatic (by 15 kgf) increase in the control stick pressure. This allows the pilot to effectively control the aircraft in a maneuver combat without running the risk of reaching the limit values of angles of attack and acceleration.
The stall control is accomplished by the computer of a signal limiting system, depending on the configuration and loading of the aircraft. The same system sends voice and visual signals, as the aircraft nears a stall condition.
The communications equipment of the aircraft comprises VHF and HF radio sets, a secured digital telecommunications system, and antenna-feeder assembly.
The aircraft mounts an automatic noise-proof target data exchange system, which provides for coordination of the actions of several fighters engaged in a group air combat.
An integrated ECM system turns on warning units that provide signals about attacking enemy missiles, a new generation radio reconnaissance set, active jamming facilities and radar and heat decoys.
The cockpit of the Su-35 boasts an up-to-date display system, which comprises three CRT indicators, head-up display, display system computers, and the computers of an integrated information system. All the required information is provided to the pilot on electronic indicators. The contents of the information frames can be changed to suit the pilot needs with the aid of the keyboard, while the data can also be altered automatically in the information frames depending on the flight conditions.
The integrated information system allows the performance of a ground serviceability test of the entire equipment and location of troubles to an individual plug-in unit. In case of in-flight failure, the indicator of the integrated information system will provide the pilot with a text message about the failure and recommendations on how to correct it or will dictate further actions. The message is also duplicated by voice.
Installation of the new avionics equipment with considerable power consumption necessitated increased capacity of the airborne electric and hydraulic power supplies. To this end, new and more powerful generators and hydraulic pumps have been installed.
A further development of the Su-35 is the Su-37, the newest superagile fighter powered by engines with a thrust vector control system. The system is integrated with the remote control system of the aircraft. The engine nozzles deflect in pitch by 15 degree up and down with the aid of two couples of hydraulic jacks mounted on each engine. The angular rate of the nozzles is up to 30 degrees per second. The system permits deflection of the nozzles in the same and different directions.
The employment of thrust vector control allowed the aircraft to master some new maneuvers, such as 'tumble in the air' (rotation through 360 degrees).
There are also some novelties in the aircraft avionics. For example, the cockpit indication system uses four liquid-crystal color displays provided by France's Sextant. These are widescope color displays assuring good readability of the information even in bright sun light. The aircraft is fitted with a satellite navigation system and laser attitude and heading reference system.
The employment of the new avionics largely contributed to the accuracy and reliability of the navigation system. The cockpit is also provided with a side control stick and engine control levers with a strain sensitive system responding to the pilot hand pressure.
The weapon control system and armament used aboard the Su-37 are mainly consistent with the ones normally employed by the Su-35 and can be enhanced.
An AL-35 engine now under development is intended for installation aboard the Su-35 and Su-37 aircraft. Installation of this engine will markedly improve the acceleration characteristics and maneuverability of the aircraft. Both aircraft have rather spacious compartments to accommodate the existing and prospective sets of avionics. So the design potential of the Su-35 and Su-37 is still far from being exhausted.
The Su-35 and Su-37 have all the merits allowing them to become the principal multipurpose fighters of the Russian Air Force in the beginning of the 21st century. Under respective cooperation agreements signed by the Russian Federation with foreign countries in military and technological spheres, these aircraft may also be supplied to foreign customers.​
Characteristics of Su-35:

Crew 1
Maximum takeoff weight, kg 34,000
Weight of empty aircraft, kg 18,400
Maximum warload, kg 8,000
Power plant, number x type of engine 2 x AL31FM Maximum afterburning thrust, kg 12,800
Maximum flight speed, km/h:
near ground 1,400
at high altitude 2,500

Service ceiling, m 18,000
Flight range, km:
with internal fuel reserve 3,200
with one refueling 6,500
 

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Indians were first offered the Su-35BM but Indians thought it to be a mere bomb truck and rather ordered more of Su-30MKI which are a near match to the Su-35BM.

For me, if China goes for Su-35BM, this wlll put serious doubts over the potency of J-10 MRCA, which China is marketing aggressively at the Zhuhai Air Show.
If the Chinese and Pakis making noise about J-10 being a true 4++ gen fighter, then why would China opt for a Russian bird?
J-XX is no where to see as of now, even IAF have aired their plans as of now to acquire 5th Gen FGFA.
So, the Chinese opting for Su-35BM makes no sense or it puts a serious ? over their FC-1 and J-10 fighters.
 

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I just wish to hear from people who throw a ton load of BS about why India should not purchase from US as they supply military hardware to Pakistan.
Because even if Russia sells stuff to China, they don't add a dozen strings like USA's list of "Agreements" which gives their companies power to intercept our data and play games with it (during war or operations).

CISMOA and LSA was just the beginning. You want that sort of stuff to affect our fighter fleet? Seriously?
 

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Its official, Chinese Aircrafts are Duds, if they are going for further Russian A/Cs its extremely evident that their inferior A/C Industry is for Failed Bankrupt countries such as pakistan, somalia etc!!

China will sell all its Junk Fighters (including Junk Fighter-17) to pakistan and themselves but Russian!!
 

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its only being offered by RUSSIA now,so only time will tell that will the chinese go for it or not?? both things will have its pro's n cons
if they go for it then it means india will have to face a formidable aircraft it the event o war and their j-10's n j-11's r not quite good

if they dont then as they CLAIM there aircrafts r good reverse engineered products whcih wont fall off the skies provided if russians stop selling them the quality engines:emot15:
 

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