Russia has delivered 15 S-300 batteries to China

[vishal_lionheart]

(Reuters) - Russia has delivered 15 batteries of S-300 anti-aircraft missiles to China, Interfax news agency reported on Friday, under a contract analysts said could be worth as much as $2.25 billion.

China is a major buyer of Russian weapons, and the two countries say they are trying to forge a strategic partnership, though senior Russian officials are privately concerned about an increasingly assertive China.

Russia has delivered 15 S-300 batteries to China, Interfax news agency quoted Igor Ashurbeili, director general of Almaz Antei which makes the missiles, as saying.http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6310WG20100402

 

[Tshering22]

But why is China considering S-300s even now despite the fact that they've cloned it for their own work? I don't remember its designation but its clone is available in China under a Chinese designation. Guess the S-400 and S-500 were not on offer.

You know, in case the Pradyumna (our ABMs proposed name for both AAD and PAD combined) ABM is not ready in time or needs help, we could consider some S-500s which are DEADLY. Also with a considerable purchase, we could secure some critical technology from S-500 system

 

[LETHALFORCE]

This means the Chinese HQ-9 is another chinese flop???

 

[SHASH2K2]

But why is China considering S-300s even now despite the fact that they've cloned it for their own work? I don't remember its designation but its clone is available in China under a Chinese designation. Guess the S-400 and S-500 were not on offer.

You know, in case the Pradyumna (our ABMs proposed name for both AAD and PAD combined) ABM is not ready in time or needs help, we could consider some S-500s which are DEADLY. Also with a considerable purchase, we could secure some critical technology from S-500 system

S-500 is not available for export but definitely we should have tried S-400 at least . Russia would have definitely given access to some of critical technologies as well. Looks like we are more interested in western gadgets now a day but fact is that though Russian weapons quality is inferior to western weapons they are only one willing to transfer the technology to us .

 

[LETHALFORCE]

S-500 is not available for export but definitely we should have tried S-400 at least . Russia would have definitely given access to some of critical technologies as well. Looks like we are more interested in western gadgets now a day but fact is that though Russian weapons quality is inferior to western weapons they are only one willing to transfer the technology to us .

S-300 is still a good platform, we had been offered to partner in S-500 but the Govt did not seem to be interested??

 

[SHASH2K2]

S-300 is still a good platform, we had been offered to partner in S-500 but the Govt did not seem to be interested??

Completely agree with you . Looks like GOI is trying to use Arms deal to buy friendship with other powers .

 

[badguy2000]

But why is China considering S-300s even now despite the fact that they've cloned it for their own work? I don't remember its designation but its clone is available in China under a Chinese designation. Guess the S-400 and S-500 were not on offer.

You know, in case the Pradyumna (our ABMs proposed name for both AAD and PAD combined) ABM is not ready in time or needs help, we could consider some S-500s which are DEADLY. Also with a considerable purchase, we could secure some critical technology from S-500 system

that batch of S300 was ordered in 2004-2005.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

that batch of S300 was order in 2004-2005.

Chinese usually place orders buy the minimum reverse engineer and cancel the order. This is strange of the Chinese to fulfill the order, which means the HQ-9 is a failure.

 

[badguy2000]

Chinese usually place orders buy the minimum reverse engineer and cancel the order. This is strange of the Chinese to fulfill the order, which means the HQ-9 is a failure.

en,J10 is a failure. DF31 is a failure. JL2 is a failure. T99 is a failure ... Now , it is turn that HQ9 is a failure.... haha

 

[LETHALFORCE]

en,J10 is a failure. DF31 is a failure. JL2 is a failure. T99 is a failure ... Now , it is turn that HQ9 is a failure.... haha

We are discussing HQ-9, but if these others are also failures put them on the long chinese list.

 

[badguy2000]

We are discussing HQ-9, but if these others are also failures put them on the long chinese list.

well, all demoracry crusaders all know that all weapons made by non-democracy states are all $hit. Since CHina is a communist state, all weapons made by CHina must be failures....

 

[civfanatic]

well, all demoracry crusaders all know that all weapons made by non-democracy states are all $hit. Since CHina is a communist state, all weapons made by CHina must be failures....

Chinese weapons are not failures; they could be, but since they are not battle-tested, no one can say for sure.

What I can say is that Chinese weapons are either copies or highly influenced by existing military equipment. However, this is not a bad thing. China has always emphasized quantity and self-reliance above all, and reverse engineering military equipment is the most efficient way to reach that goal. It is called being resourceful.

 

[nimo_cn]

Chinese usually place orders buy the minimum reverse engineer and cancel the order. This is strange of the Chinese to fulfill the order, which means the HQ-9 is a failure.

Well, how many weapon contracts in total has China signed with Russia in the past decades, and how many of them were canceled by China for no good cause?

Calculate the odds of China canceling an order for no good cause, then review the credibility of your claim that Chinese usually place orders buy the minimum reverse engineer and cancel the order.

 

[plugwater]

S-300 is still a good platform, we had been offered to partner in S-500 but the Govt did not seem to be interested??

There was a plan to develop AAD as a long range surface to air missile(ashwin). So they must have dropped the idea of involving in S-500.

 

[Tshering22]

S-500 is not available for export but definitely we should have tried S-400 at least . Russia would have definitely given access to some of critical technologies as well. Looks like we are more interested in western gadgets now a day but fact is that though Russian weapons quality is inferior to western weapons they are only one willing to transfer the technology to us .

Buddy last year Russia formally offered us S-500 system when we were trying to impress Obama and the media was going all hullabaloo with PAC III's purchase potential. We had a golden opportunity to join the S-500 program but idiots in Delhi ruined it all. But still it is on offer for sale to us and a few countries. If at all we're at risk and if goodness forbid that Pradyumna gets delayed by a couple of years, S-500 is the way to go.

 

[Tshering22]

There was a plan to develop AAD as a long range surface to air missile(ashwin). So they must have dropped the idea of involving in S-500.

Ashwin is it? PAD and AAD are presumably known as Pradyumna ABM system as I saw this name in many articles. PAD and AAD is still being tested. It is to develop the system indigenously. But I am sure knowing DRDO's working style we might need Russian assistance and advice at some point and getting a few S-500 batteries in IA will then be a possibility.

 

[SHASH2K2]

Buddy last year Russia formally offered us S-500 system when we were trying to impress Obama and the media was going all hullabaloo with PAC III's purchase potential. We had a golden opportunity to join the S-500 program but idiots in Delhi ruined it all. But still it is on offer for sale to us and a few countries. If at all we're at risk and if goodness forbid that Pradyumna gets delayed by a couple of years, S-500 is the way to go.

I may be wrong or missed the report somehow. DO you have any link for the offer? So far I know S500 is not available for export.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Well, how many weapon contracts in total has China signed with Russia in the past decades, and how many of them were canceled by China for no good cause?

http://the-diplomat.com/2010/04/05/why-china-snubs-russian-arms/

Why China Snubs Russia Arms

 

[pmaitra]

But why is China considering S-300s even now despite the fact that they've cloned it for their own work? I don't remember its designation but its clone is available in China under a Chinese designation. Guess the S-400 and S-500 were not on offer.

You know, in case the Pradyumna (our ABMs proposed name for both AAD and PAD combined) ABM is not ready in time or needs help, we could consider some S-500s which are DEADLY. Also with a considerable purchase, we could secure some critical technology from S-500 system

PRC is expert in copying, clonig, pirating and plagiarising. However, we do not know whether they are experts in copying, clonig, pirating and plagiarising well enough to make it deployable. Maybe that is the reason.

 

[ZOOM]

Buddy last year Russia formally offered us S-500 system when we were trying to impress Obama and the media was going all hullabaloo with PAC III's purchase potential. We had a golden opportunity to join the S-500 program but idiots in Delhi ruined it all. But still it is on offer for sale to us and a few countries. If at all we're at risk and if goodness forbid that Pradyumna gets delayed by a couple of years, S-500 is the way to go.

You just don't purchase a particuler weapon system having some fear factor. S-300 and all its follow on derivative are certainly very deadly but there is something regarded as a command, control and communication system which will link this all new ABM and existing SAM system. To have complete C4I system ready and getting it interegrated with SAM or ABM systems is very herculen process and it takes time. At this point of time, we don't need any major S-300 derivative, since existing system are all covering major areas of airspace command and control.