'Pakistan's Nasr missile is the most dangerous development in South Asia'

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There is nothing to stop Pakistan's irrationality the only thing is to go on an offense by making them bleed inside and making the cost very very high for them.
As long as their generals are fed, they don't care about "internal bleeding." We can't copy their strategy, it just won't work.

It will only rile their population up to create more cannon-fodder. The way forward is to build our internal security/intelligence apparatus, improve border security, hope for the best, and if there is another 26/11-scaled attack, immediately begin air-strikes against terrorist training camps that we know of. We must make it unofficially aware to the guy deciding to go nuclear in Pakistan, that they are going to start a nuclear exchange in which Mecca is glassed. If he's not the religious type, then that besides Mecca, oilfields in the Arab world are glassed.

Eg We will silently warn them if you do not stop your terrorism in India we will poison your aquifer with hexavalent Chromium thousands nay millions of Pakistanis may suffer from Multi organ failure and cancer in a year .
That won't help either. Poisoning rivers that flow into foreign countries is a war-crime. And a peacetime option like that will backfire in a spectacular way.

In every step of the way, we must make sure that our actions are in response to a Paki action. So that when the dust settles and somebody tugs at the tapestry of the conflict, they will find its origins in Pakistan and not India.
 

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Well threatening to Glass Mecca will also rile up the world powers and it will alienate our allies like Iran. Threatening of Nuking Middle east will hurt our relationship with Iran cause they will also be hurt and probably Israel.
Nuking oil fields is a good option but will also hurt our allies in Europe and Asia who like Japan and South Korea and even Europe are dependent on oil , making us look even worse than North korea . They may even sanction us obviously if Pakistan nukes India all options are on the table and we need not mention it.
But if we threaten to slowly poison Pakistan covertly no one will Know about it and if we are caught which we will be never we will just claim Industrial accident .

All your above mentioned options you mentioned are on the table when and If Pakistan nukes but we cannot mention it except i don't like nuking holy cities like Mecca etc just my personal opinion not that it matters.
 

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Pakistan’s nuclear missiles -more threat for Pakistan than India





by Brig Arun Bajpai

In the recent Pakistan day parade held after a gap eight years Pakistan tried to emulate the 26 January parade of India in which American president Obama was the chief Guest, by displayed its tactical nuclear missile Nasr as part of its muscle flexing exercise.

By going for tactical nuclear missile Nasr with a range of 60 kms as claimed, Pakistan has brought down the nuclear threshold number of notches and this development is not good for India and also for Pakistan itself. This is not good for India because we have a declared policy of no first use of nuclear weapons. However in the case of Pakistan a tactical nuclear weapon with a range of just 60 kms, for if it be effective it has to be given down to the field commanders on the ground. In other words it will be used first and if that happens it is a very dangerous proposition indeed for us. It is also bad for Pakistan itself because Pakistani Army has been badly affected by the jehadi virus right from top to bottom. So the possibility of this weapon falling in the hands of a jehadi organisations just cannot be ruled out.


Pakistanis are justifying their building this tactical nuclear missile on the ground that this Nasr missile deters India from going for a cold start doctrine as a punitive action against Pakistan in the event of a repeat of Mumbai type of operation by the Pakistani ISI. This however is a stupid argument because India has already made it clear to Pakistan and the world that any use of nuclear weapon by Pakistan tactical or otherwise will bring in massive nuclear retaliation from India come what may.

As the four wars that India has fought with Pakistan has shown us that Pakistani Army continues to live in fool’s paradise. They will stop at nothing in their foolhardiness. Recently the ex Pakistani Army general Khalid Kidwai who is currently an advisor to the Pakistani National Command Authority has come out with a statement that Pakistan has tested Shaheen-3 nuclear-capable missile with a range of 2750 kms. This he says will neutralise India’s second strike capability because its range covers whole of India, Middle East and even Israel.



What these Pakistanis fail to understand is that while Pakistan poses two dimensional nuclear threat to us from ground fired missiles and from air, India has developed the most crucial TRIAD. No country in the world can be called a nuclear power in real sense till it posses Triad. Triad means the capability to launch nuclear strike by all three dimensions that is Land Sea and Air. Till now India had the capability of launching air borne nuclear strikes with the help of its Mirage 2000 and Sukhoi 30 MKI fighter planes and by its land based Agni series of missiles. However the problem is that enemy knows that these planes can take off only from the air bases. So a nuclear capable country like Pakistan which does not have a declared no first use nuclear policy as India has, can launch nuclear strikes at these air bases and destroy our counter strike capability right at the beginning. Even if it has not done so and our fighters have taken off, they can still be shot down by the Pakistani air defence systems and their fighter aircrafts.

Same problem is faced by the land based Agni series of nuclear capable missiles. Agreed that they are land mobile and can be moved from one place to another still we can not underestimate Pakistani intelligence. Besides to ready and fire these missiles it takes time. Though they have the advantage that once fired neither Pakistan nor china posses anti missile technology so they cannot be shot down. However we are still at disadvantage because of our declared no first use nuclear strike policy.


All these problems gets taken care off once our nuclear-powered submarine Arihant joins active service in Dec this year. India has already readied two more Arihant class nuclear powered submarines which will join Indian navy in close succession. This submarine can carry twelve Sagarika nuclear capable missiles, each having a range of 750 km and can cover large portions of Pakistan. These submarinesWhat these Pakistanis fail to understand is that while Pakistan poses two dimensional nuclear threat to us from ground fired missiles and from air, India has developed the most crucial TRIAD. No country in the world can be called a nuclear power in real sense till it posses Triad. T are very silent, they can dive very deep under the sea, they can move very fast very silently and they do not have to surface to recharge their batteries as the conventional submarines do. In other words they are impossible to detect.


Now imagine, at any point of time two Arihants sitting deep undersea about 50 to 100 kms from Pakistani coast in Arabian Sea in ready to fire mode with 24 nuclear capable missiles targeting all major cities of Pakistan. With this sword of domicile hanging on Pakistani neck at 24×7 basis will any Pakistani General however mad he may be, dare to rattle his nuclear arsenal any time India decides to teach Pakistan a lesson? India now must go all out to build more of these nuclear powered submarines and not just five which has been planned. At the same time we must also strive to get the second Akula 2 class nuclear powered submarine from Russia on lease.



Another point relevant to us is to confirm whether this Nasr missile is really nuclear capable? Or is Pakistan bluffing?

It needs to be understood that for getting a suitable nuclear war head for such short range tactical missiles requires very high level of technology which does not exist in Pakistan. All Gauri series of Pakistani missiles are of North Korea origin while Shaheen of China origin. Maybe it is time India uses diplomatic means to convince china that Pakistan in future could be a threat to them also.

Now with Israel also coming within range of Pakistani nuclear-capable missiles, India and Israel together should mount pressure on US to pressurise Pakistan that they should give up this short range nuclear tactical missiles and the existing ones should be destroyed lest they fall in jehadi hands.

http://taazakhabarnews.com/pakistans-nuclear-missiles-more-of-a-threat-for-pakistan-than-india/

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With all the shouting out loud on pukes by porkis...they are just making a whole set of nations uncomfortable, not just India.
:D :D

I have a hunch... Pakistan is gonna get it...very soooonnnnn.
Pakistan..Such a stupid cuntry
 

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Every one tells Pakistan the same thing
Secondly, does Pakistan’s development of battlefield nuclear weapons erode India’s no-first-use (NFU) policy? It is a contentious idea that the use of TNWs will not escalate into a full fledged nuclear war. It is irrelevant whether a target has been hit by a strategic or tactical weapon. A nuclear attack is a nuclear attack. To quote Air Chief Marshal P. V. Naik, “Tactical or strategic, it (NASR) is a nuclear weapon. Our response would be absolutely violent, if it is used, as per our existing policy. So, it's not a game-changer.” What this essentially means is that in the event India faces a nuclear attack, New Delhi will be left with no other choice but to use nuclear weapons in the form of a massive retaliation. In that case it makes little sense whether a strategic or tactical nuclear weapon or a long range or short range weapon is used, since the general response would be to carry out a punitive attack on the adversary.
http://www.idsa.in/idsacomments/NASRADisadvantageforPakistan_ebhearne_140711.html
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So..Pakistan can shove the arguments up the Pak establishments Comfortable orifice.

India should ally with Israel , Iran and a few other nations to tie down Pakistan at many levels..now that the Paki missiles boast of range.+ Pakistan has a notorious reputation as a rogue nation. :D
 

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BTW, don't most of Pakistan's populated areas fall into the range of our tube-SRBM Prahaar?

 

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Well threatening to Glass Mecca will also rile up the world powers and it will alienate our allies like Iran. Threatening of Nuking Middle east will hurt our relationship with Iran cause they will also be hurt and probably Israel.
Nuking oil fields is a good option but will also hurt our allies in Europe and Asia who like Japan and South Korea and even Europe are dependent on oil , making us look even worse than North korea . They may even sanction us obviously if Pakistan nukes India all options are on the table and we need not mention it.
But if we threaten to slowly poison Pakistan covertly no one will Know about it and if we are caught which we will be never we will just claim Industrial accident .

All your above mentioned options you mentioned are on the table when and If Pakistan nukes but we cannot mention it except i don't like nuking holy cities like Mecca etc just my personal opinion not that it matters.
nuking oil fields is a bad option. we would use the oil, after Israel nukes mecca .. that will be sane. If we really wana discuss this nuclear war.
 

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BTW, don't most of Pakistan's populated areas fall into the range of our tube-SRBM Prahaar?

Prahar is reply to their nasr

or even tactical nuclear arty shell is enough in that case to take down Pak punjab.

you can use any delivery system which can carry 200kgs cross the border quickly :p
 
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With a 60 km sub sonic sub kiloton missile is a bigger threat to Pakistan than india. Most likely will be easily intercepted or land within Pakistani territory.
 

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With no fissile material ? Are you still using yellowcake method? Takes five years for 1 warhead.
Pakistan just wants to destroy India, even if Israel helps them they will take the help. They are hyenas, who are not ashamed of their own mistakes and Jahalatpann.

Their jealousy from India is the cause.

Their ideology is, like a student in a class who has failed and wants others to fail too. @Zarvan may put a agreeing stamp on it.

The only solution is small scale war. Without crossing LOC, hit them. Make them more weaker economically.. Nuclear weapons cannot save the economy. Just like USSR broke down, Pakistan will too. Stay calm and quite, talk to them and watch the show.
 

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With a 60 km sub sonic sub kiloton missile is a bigger threat to Pakistan than india. Most likely will be easily intercepted or land within Pakistani territory.
Finally someone raised the point I have been trying to for years now.
 

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Except that we don't disclose that part of our doctrine to the world.
Also the fact that we would only use it as a second strike and so it will be justified more or less. Your previous point was to the point and how exactly we should carry out - small leaks to the security establishments in Barbarabia on how they are on top hit list, while the official policy is either silence/amibuigity or weak/half hearted denials
 

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There is nothing to stop Pakistan's irrationality the only thing is to go on an offense by making them bleed inside and making the cost very very high for them.
Eg We will silently warn them if you do not stop your terrorism in India we will poison your aquifer with hexavalent Chromium thousands nay millions of Pakistanis may suffer from Multi organ failure and cancer in a year .
Yes you try that and we would un leash hell in return it will be full scale nuclear each Indian city will be hit by more than one nuke
 

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As long as their generals are fed, they don't care about "internal bleeding." We can't copy their strategy, it just won't work.

It will only rile their population up to create more cannon-fodder. The way forward is to build our internal security/intelligence apparatus, improve border security, hope for the best, and if there is another 26/11-scaled attack, immediately begin air-strikes against terrorist training camps that we know of. We must make it unofficially aware to the guy deciding to go nuclear in Pakistan, that they are going to start a nuclear exchange in which Mecca is glassed. If he's not the religious type, then that besides Mecca, oilfields in the Arab world are glassed.



That won't help either. Poisoning rivers that flow into foreign countries is a war-crime. And a peacetime option like that will backfire in a spectacular way.

In every step of the way, we must make sure that our actions are in response to a Paki action. So that when the dust settles and somebody tugs at the tapestry of the conflict, they will find its origins in Pakistan and not India.
You will raise a eye towards Makkah and entire Muslim population in India will take you out Pakistan would just provide them weapons
 

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Pakistan just wants to destroy India, even if Israel helps them they will take the help. They are hyenas, who are not ashamed of their own mistakes and Jahalatpann.

Their jealousy from India is the cause.

Their ideology is, like a student in a class who has failed and wants others to fail too. @Zarvan may put a agreeing stamp on it.

The only solution is small scale war. Without crossing LOC, hit them. Make them more weaker economically.. Nuclear weapons cannot save the economy. Just like USSR broke down, Pakistan will too. Stay calm and quite, talk to them and watch the show.
Your jahaltpan and lies are known to the world you have lost diplomatically to isolate Pakistan. So keep trying and failing
 

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You will raise a eye towards Makkah and entire Muslim population in India will take you out Pakistan would just provide them weapons
We will not raise eye rather carry out strike after strike on all your holy places wherever they are the moment Pakistan attacks India ... So what will you do ?? Think about that...
 

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