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Edit: also means that grey-list is already big thing.
Not really, while it makes things slightly harder, it doesn't really stop Shitistan from raising loans overseas, doesn't penalise countries or companies doing business with or investing in Shitistan and doesn't restrict the key terrorist patrons from travelling or having business interests.

Iran and NoKo despite having far less destructiveness to their name are being penalised far more harshly, whereas the only country in the world that deserves blacklisting and sanctions is Shitistan.

But then how do we call upon others to do so when we ourselves cannot and will not sanction or blacklist Shitistan.
 

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LESSONS FROM HAMBANTOTA :

A Story on Dawn ...... what takes u so long to realise this ??

Khurram HusainUpdated June 28,

The writer is a member of staff.


A LARGE number of people have once again begun asking whether Pakistan is walking in the footsteps of Sri Lanka in its growing engagement with China. The new talk has been sparked by a long article in the New York Times that, for the first time, provides details thus far unknown about how the Hambantota Port project was conceived and executed.

People have long looked upon this project, which saddled Sri Lanka with debts so large that the country was forced to go to the Chinese asking for rescheduling some of the payments. The request was granted in a deal that saw China swap equity in the project for debt, effectively taking over the port and 15,000 acres of surrounding countryside on which to build an industrial zone. In effect, Sri Lanka had to cede control over strategic territory to China in return for debt relief. So, naturally, many are now asking: might the same thing happen in Pakistan in the case of Gwadar?

One of the most damning details revealed in the article relates to payments made by China Harbour, the company that built Hambantota Port in Sri Lanka, to the close associates of the president Rajapaksa who had approved and launched the project. He was ousted from power after losing an election in January 2015 to one of his own close associates.

The numbers of the Sri Lanka story are far larger in Pakistan. Exactly how large we do not yet know, but we may soon enough.

“Chinese officials and the China Harbour company went to great lengths to keep relations strong with Mr Rajapaksa” the article says. “At least $7.6 million was dispensed from China Harbour’s account at Standard Chartered Bank to affiliates of Mr Rajapaksa’s campaign,” it continues, citing a government document that the reporter has seen.

Beyond this, the story is a more familiar one of a vanity project, with little to no commercial potential, launched at one to two per cent interest rates (while alternative funding was available for half a percentage point), an over-eager leader who wanted to accelerate the timeline for completion for political purposes resulting in an escalation of the debt (to 6pc), followed by difficulties in making repayment. Then the Sri Lankan government borrowed $1 billion from the China Development Bank to make some critical repayments, and eventually faced with a massive debt burden, had to go to the IMF for a bailout.

One by-product of the IMF approach was that much of the financing details of Chinese projects had to be opened up before fund authorities, who need a detailed picture of all inflows and outflows scheduled from any economy that they are bailing out before they can commit any funds. That was in June 2016, when the new Sri Lankan government that entered after the elections in the preceding year successfully completed negotiations for a three-year Extended Fund Facility worth $1.5bn (far smaller than the ones Pakistan signs on to by the way). And only a few days ago, the first Article IV report from the Fund about the Sri Lankan economy was released, giving a glimpse into some of the financing terms that country has signed on to with the Chinese government.

“Infrastructure-related FDI from China averaged about $200 million annually over 2013–17 (¼ per cent of GDP), while outstanding bilateral loans from China to Sri Lanka’s public sector, including SOEs, are estimated at about US$4.6 billion at end-2016 (5.8 per cent of GDP),” that report says in a special box dedicated to Chinese investments.

A back-of-the-envelope calculation shows the enormous difference in the financials between the Chinese investment in Sri Lanka and that in Pakistan. At $46bn invested in infrastructure projects, with an exchange rate of Rs124.5 and GDP of Rs33.397 trillion, you get a ratio of 16.7pc between the quantum of Chinese investment to GDP. Compare that to 0.25pc per year in Sri Lanka over four years.

Outstanding bilateral loans are a bit more difficult to calculate quickly, because we don’t yet know if any state-owned enterprises in Pakistan have borrowed from the Chinese, but simply based on reported figures, in the outgoing year the borrowings have been larger than $2.2bn. This is purely bilateral borrowing in one year, not the cumulative, nor does it include equity in projects or project-related assistance.

In short, the numbers of the Sri Lanka story are far larger in Pakistan. Exactly how large we do not yet know, but I have a feeling we will soon enough. Add to this the fact that payment-related outflows on CPEC projects have now commenced since most of them have begun commercial operations, and the figures are set to rise further. Recall that the last IMF report saw Pakistan’s external financing requirements rising to $45bn by end of 2018, and you’ll get the idea.

But those who argue that the fears are overblown have a case that should also be borne in mind. For example, Hambantota Port is not commercially viable, and was never seen as such, leading many to speculate that it had military objectives behind it. Similar speculation revolves around Gwadar, which will also be many years before it reaches commercial viability.

But China can force the pace of commercial activity simply by devoting a fraction of the sea traffic controlled by its giant shipping company, COSCO, to its new ports. It is investing in port infrastructure in Abu Dhabi, Jebel Ali, Peru and Greece, among many other countries. Surely all that cannot be military-related.

In any event, the financial story of these projects needs closer scrutiny. Now that Pakistan is approaching a moment that Sri Lanka passed in 2015, and Malaysia passed in May, perhaps an opportunity to more publicly evaluate the financials of these projects is opening up before us. There are genuine grounds to be concerned about what exactly we have signed up for in all the CPEC projects, and those concerns deserve to be addressed in a more open manner than what the PML-N government allowed for.

The writer is a member of staff.

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Twitter: @khurramhusain

Published in Dawn, June 28th, 2018
 

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LESSONS FROM HAMBANTOTA :

A Story on Dawn ...... what takes u so long to realise this ??
Oh! You Gould read the story by the same person written in dawn titled "Why CPEC will not be another east India company. "
 

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Oh! You Gould read the story by the same person written in dawn titled "Why CPEC will not be another east India company. "
Usually I read all stories keenly on Dawn ..... and as far as I remember that which ur quoting was not clear as this and was more on defending Pakistan’s partnership with China rather this article on Dawn is quoting lots from NewYork times article how HAMBANTOTA was taken over by the Chinese and I have posted same in CPEC thread. This story on Dawn follows a very long and meticulously detailed report on taking over HAMBANTOTA.
 

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China lends $1 billion to Pakistan to boost plummeting FX reserves - sources

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ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - China has lent Pakistan $1 billion to boost the South Asian country’s plummeting foreign currency reserves, two sources in Pakistan’s finance ministry told Reuters, amid growing speculation of another International Monetary Fund bailout.


A currency trader counts Pakistani Rupee notes as he prepares an exchange of U.S dollars in Islamabad, Pakistan December 11, 2017. REUTERS/Caren Firouz
The latest loan highlights Islamabad’s growing dependence on Chinese loans to buffer its foreign currency reserves, which plunged to $9.66 billion last week from $16.4 billion in May 2017.


The lending is the outcome of negotiations for loans worth $1-$2 billion that was first reported by Reuters in late May, the two sources told Reuters.

“Yes, it is with us,” said one finance ministry source, in reference to the Chinese money. The second source added that the “matter stands complete”.

The finance ministry spokesperson did not respond to a Reuters request for comment.



With the latest loan, China’s lending to Pakistan in this fiscal year ending in June is set to breach $5 billion.

In the first 10 months of the fiscal year China lent Pakistan $1.5 billion in bilateral loans, according to a finance ministry document seen by Reuters. During this period Pakistan also received $2.9 billion in commercial bank loans mostly from Chinese banks, ministry officials told Reuters.

Beijing’s attempts to prop up Pakistan’s economy follow a strengthening of ties in the wake of China’s pledge to fund badly-needed power and road infrastructure as part of the $57 billion China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), an important cog in Beijing’s vast Belt and Road initiative.


But analysts say China’s help will not be enough and predict that after the July 25 national election the new administration will likely seek Pakistan’s second bailout since 2013, when it received a package worth $6.7 billion from the IMF.

“Looking at the current scenario, it is likely after the new government comes in that they will go to the IMF,” said Suleman Maniya, head of research at local brokerage house Shajar Capital.

Reporting by Drazen Jorgic; Editing by Ros Russell

Our Standards:The Thomson Reuters Trust Principles.
 

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China lends $1 billion to Pakistan to boost plummeting FX reserves - sources

Reuters Staff

2 MIN READ


ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - China has lent Pakistan $1 billion to boost the South Asian country’s plummeting foreign currency reserves, two sources in Pakistan’s finance ministry told Reuters, amid growing speculation of another International Monetary Fund bailout.


A currency trader counts Pakistani Rupee notes as he prepares an exchange of U.S dollars in Islamabad, Pakistan December 11, 2017. REUTERS/Caren Firouz
The latest loan highlights Islamabad’s growing dependence on Chinese loans to buffer its foreign currency reserves, which plunged to $9.66 billion last week from $16.4 billion in May 2017.


The lending is the outcome of negotiations for loans worth $1-$2 billion that was first reported by Reuters in late May, the two sources told Reuters.

“Yes, it is with us,” said one finance ministry source, in reference to the Chinese money. The second source added that the “matter stands complete”.

The finance ministry spokesperson did not respond to a Reuters request for comment.



With the latest loan, China’s lending to Pakistan in this fiscal year ending in June is set to breach $5 billion.

In the first 10 months of the fiscal year China lent Pakistan $1.5 billion in bilateral loans, according to a finance ministry document seen by Reuters. During this period Pakistan also received $2.9 billion in commercial bank loans mostly from Chinese banks, ministry officials told Reuters.

Beijing’s attempts to prop up Pakistan’s economy follow a strengthening of ties in the wake of China’s pledge to fund badly-needed power and road infrastructure as part of the $57 billion China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), an important cog in Beijing’s vast Belt and Road initiative.


But analysts say China’s help will not be enough and predict that after the July 25 national election the new administration will likely seek Pakistan’s second bailout since 2013, when it received a package worth $6.7 billion from the IMF.

“Looking at the current scenario, it is likely after the new government comes in that they will go to the IMF,” said Suleman Maniya, head of research at local brokerage house Shajar Capital.

Reporting by Drazen Jorgic; Editing by Ros Russell

Our Standards:The Thomson Reuters Trust Principles.
I think the Pakistanis should take out a new book called the art of begging
 

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I think the Pakistanis should take out a new book called the art of begging
It's the art of wh0ring but that would be insulting to the women in flesh trade to be compared with Napakis.
 

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Anyone knows if rains have started in pakistan? i am interested to see when will the indus water issue die out in their TV debates.
 

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Anyone knows if rains have started in pakistan? i am interested to see when will the indus water issue die out in their TV debates.
I am looking INSAT images everyday and looking clouds on hourly basis. It was unbroken clear sky in Pakistan i.e. no clouds for last 3-4 months (or whole year). While Gujarat, mumbai and Banglore are getting heavy rains, Sindh, baluchistan, and southern Punjab are dry. Only day before Yesterday, clouds covered sindh and punjab and baloch area and they all dispersed in less than two hours. Sindh and Baloch essentially in drought like situation. If doesn't rains until August, there would be massive loss in Kharif crops, time is running out.

It seems that Rain God don't want to grace the land of pure. (it may change in future)
But there are heavy rains in Indian Punjab, Afganistan and Jummu Area, so being lower riparian northern Punjab In Pakistan is getting a lot of water in Indus from outside. Leaving intakes from Indian and afgan side, Pakistan is pretty much dry.



Here is one of today's INSAT images. It's raining a lot in India but at western border, sun is shining.

 

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CPEC has unofficially closed said a napaki in TV discussion. We must give credit to NAMO for F***ing up CPEC.
 

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CPEC has unofficially closed said a napaki in TV discussion. We must give credit to NAMO for F***ing up CPEC.
hIghly doubtful ...... Maybe PMLN are trying to bring down heat on CPEC for elections......
 

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China lends $1 billion to Pakistan to boost plummeting FX reserves - sources

Reuters Staff

2 MIN READ


ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - China has lent Pakistan $1 billion to boost the South Asian country’s plummeting foreign currency reserves, two sources in Pakistan’s finance ministry told Reuters, amid growing speculation of another International Monetary Fund bailout.


A currency trader counts Pakistani Rupee notes as he prepares an exchange of U.S dollars in Islamabad, Pakistan December 11, 2017. REUTERS/Caren Firouz
The latest loan highlights Islamabad’s growing dependence on Chinese loans to buffer its foreign currency reserves, which plunged to $9.66 billion last week from $16.4 billion in May 2017.


The lending is the outcome of negotiations for loans worth $1-$2 billion that was first reported by Reuters in late May, the two sources told Reuters.

“Yes, it is with us,” said one finance ministry source, in reference to the Chinese money. The second source added that the “matter stands complete”.

The finance ministry spokesperson did not respond to a Reuters request for comment.



With the latest loan, China’s lending to Pakistan in this fiscal year ending in June is set to breach $5 billion.

In the first 10 months of the fiscal year China lent Pakistan $1.5 billion in bilateral loans, according to a finance ministry document seen by Reuters. During this period Pakistan also received $2.9 billion in commercial bank loans mostly from Chinese banks, ministry officials told Reuters.

Beijing’s attempts to prop up Pakistan’s economy follow a strengthening of ties in the wake of China’s pledge to fund badly-needed power and road infrastructure as part of the $57 billion China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), an important cog in Beijing’s vast Belt and Road initiative.


But analysts say China’s help will not be enough and predict that after the July 25 national election the new administration will likely seek Pakistan’s second bailout since 2013, when it received a package worth $6.7 billion from the IMF.

“Looking at the current scenario, it is likely after the new government comes in that they will go to the IMF,” said Suleman Maniya, head of research at local brokerage house Shajar Capital.

Reporting by Drazen Jorgic; Editing by Ros Russell

Our Standards:The Thomson Reuters Trust Principles.
If the pakis think the Chinese will simply forgive all these loans, they are sadly mistaken. Not a single paki politician or economist has explained how exactly they will repay all these loans considering their plummeting finances. They are under some delusion that China will give them free stuff forever just to prop them up against India. Our Chinese "bhais" have another modus operandi altogether, which they will soon feel the full force of. This is good for us. Within 10 years, we will only need to make deals with Beijing regarding pakistan. Islamabad can be ignored altogether.
 

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This Terroristani analyst is professing, within next 60-90 days all terroristanis will be on the road protesting due to recent depreciation in Paki Rupee. In short Terroristan is on the slippery slop and terroristan will be next Zimbabwe or Venezuela.


I think RAW should speed up Terroristan downwards. RAW should pay back in same coin, ISI trying here like Fake Currency, take over Terroristan export market especially agri products to it neighboring countries. BSF should increase the heat at LOC until economic cost is unbearable for Terroristan.
 
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This Terroristani analyst is professing, within next 60-90 days all terroristanis will be on the road protesting due to recent depreciation in Paki Rupee. In short Terroristan is on the slippery slop and terroristan will be next Zimbabwe or Venezuela.


I think RAW should speed up Terroristan downwards. RAW should pay back in same coin, ISI trying here like Fake Currency, take over Terroristan export market especially agri products to it neighboring countries.
Modi is a smart politician. He doesn't do anything out of way but he is such a smart politician who kills enemy (Make irrelevant). We have many examples inside and Out side BJP and also in Diplomacy. He wanted to make a friendship with Pakistan but Pakistani army intervene. They got hostile towards India. Modi did lobbying and isolated Pakistan. Now the terroristan is left with no friend except Turkey (To some extent). Porkies are kicked on their back from every corner of the world. This has hit Porkistan very badly economically and it is on the verge of collapse. Modi can harm these sort of shitty country more with his diplomacy than what somebody would have done by physically attacking it.
 

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Now the terroristan is left with no friend except Turkey (To some extent).
Turkey is no friend for pakistan, ve bas apne roti senk rahe hai.
They are putting any money in Pakistan, not investing, they are blaming pakistan for various dispute related to business. Since turkey has nothing to do with Pakistan, Edrogan thinks himself as Khaleefa.
Pakistanis are thinking Edrogan antics as something to be happy about.
 

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I am looking INSAT images everyday and looking clouds on hourly basis. It was unbroken clear sky in Pakistan i.e. no clouds for last 3-4 months (or whole year). While Gujarat, mumbai and Banglore are getting heavy rains, Sindh, baluchistan, and southern Punjab are dry. Only day before Yesterday, clouds covered sindh and punjab and baloch area and they all dispersed in less than two hours. Sindh and Baloch essentially in drought like situation. If doesn't rains until August, there would be massive loss in Kharif crops, time is running out.

It seems that Rain God don't want to grace the land of pure. (it may change in future)
But there are heavy rains in Indian Punjab, Afganistan and Jummu Area, so being lower riparian northern Punjab In Pakistan is getting a lot of water in Indus from outside. Leaving intakes from Indian and afgan side, Pakistan is pretty much dry.



Here is one of today's INSAT images. It's raining a lot in India but at western border, sun is shining.

Paki monsoon begins in June and ends in November. Lets not get excited just now.
 

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Paki monsoon begins in June and ends in November. Lets not get excited just now.
Gwadar, what the Porkis call the 'mega oil city' and the next Singapore (!) is going to get screwed with all feeder dams running dry and their only water desalination plant out of commission owing to the high cost of operating the plant and lack of maintenance!









Hanna Lake, Balochistan a few years back....



Hanna Lake now.....



In other words, Pakis are fooked!

Cheers!
 

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