PAF JF-17 Thunder Crashed in Attock

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pankaj nema

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I wish more and more of their planes crash, or just catch fire at the hangars. I will not wish for the death of pilots and loss of human life though...
My WISHES are simple

1. PAF ADMITS that JF 17 is good for nothing and is being inducted because It is FREE

2. China declares that it is not interested in JF 17 for its air force and hence will not waste time
and money in its upgrades ie upgrades not possible

3. More GLITCHES in every thing ie Radar , SD 10 BVRAAM , RD 93 engines

So PAF remains the only customer apart from Zambia Ethiopia etc etc
 

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...... spends a lot of time on Pak forums and got smitten by them. GoI should look to censor such sites as it may be developing slave mentality among Indians wrt to pakis.
You do have a point here about Pak forums. What happens there is, once you go there you presence on that forum is at the mercy of Paki mods. You are scared of a ban, and hence you will temper your thoughts and comments and keep it mild. You will not use words such as Paki, you will not be overly harsh or critical of their nation. You will still defend India when you see them trolling, but you will always be constrained in your words and actions there.

Eventually that starts permeating your behaviour, interaction and attitude towards Pakisatan.
 

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The reason why JF 17 arouses such strong feelings in Indians is the Pakistani ego

The Pakistani EGO as seen in their forums ; First flaunted JF 17 as "equal and Similar " to Su 30

Later on after many many discussions and debates on their forum they finally relented

But EVEN now JF 17 is being described as better than Mig 29

And the Block 2 upgrades are being called as STEALTH JF 17 Nothing LESS and SUPERIOR
to Su 30 MKI
 

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And the Block 2 upgrades are being called as STEALTH JF 17 Nothing LESS and SUPERIOR
to Su 30 MKI
You make it stealth or not it falls in light category with low payload and low range with smaller radar unit..

Its a single engined fighter and MIG-29 is doubled, Comparing newest JF-17 to oldest MIG-29 is easy for argument winning contest..
 

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To design a aircraft it requires a years of study same applies to bullet train or any other technology..reverse engineering its just a mechanics do...
or just copy will bring knowledge rgt ?
 

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But EVEN now JF 17 is being described as better than Mig 29
JF may eventually exceed the old Mig-29 A in avionics. But not in performance. Bring in the new Mig-29Smt or K, forget it. There are huge advantages to two engines and many have nothing to do with aerodynamics.

And the Block 2 upgrades are being called as STEALTH JF 17 Nothing LESS and SUPERIOR
to Su 30 MKI
I am guessing the Block 2 upgrade may bring it to the level of the LCA when it comes to stealth. Compared to MKI, JF-17 may have a smaller RCS, but that won't stop the Flanker. The Super Flanker, forget it. Even Rafale and EF will have a hard time catching up.
 

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Newly inducted machines do have teething problems.

One should not read too much into this.
 

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We are so sorry, this picture is actully good for your Mig, right? One JF-17 to 1000+ Mig? think using your brain then your bone, my dear br.
The same MiG's that you fly too.
 

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Tech Club President Zubair Sheikh, in his welcome note mentioned that the American ambassador had said that Pakistan's JF-17 Thunder aircraft project was more dangerous than atom bomb
For Pakistani pilots.
 

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When J 10 A is already available and it is clearly better than JF 17 then WHY are Pakistan and China
peddling this Junk Fighter

And Why has Pakistan NOT received A SINGLE J 10 A

Why are Pakistanis waiting for J 10 B which is supposed to be manna from heaven
 

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Do Indians really have a place to point fingers with the crash rate of IAF?
India

In 1961, the Indian Air Force (IAF) opted to purchase the MiG-21 over several other Western competitors because the Soviet Union offered India full transfer of technology and rights for local assembly. In 1964, the MiG-21 became the first supersonic fighter jet to enter service with the IAF. Due to limited induction numbers and lack of pilot training, the IAF MiG-21 played a limited role in the Indo-Pakistani War of 1965.[4] However, the IAF gained valuable experience while operating the MiG-21 for defensive sorties during the war.[4] The positive feedback from IAF pilots during the 1965 war prompted India to place more orders for the fighter jet and also invest heavily in building the MiG-21's maintenance infrastructure and pilot training programs. By 1969, India had acquired more than 120 MiG-21s from the Soviet Union.

Safety record

The safety record of the IAF's MiG-21s has raised concern in the Indian Parliament and media, leading to the aircraft sometimes being referred to in the IAF as a "flying coffin". One source estimates that in the nine years from 1993 to 2002, the IAF lost over 100 pilots in 283 accidents. During its service life, the IAF has lost at least 116 aircraft to crashes (not including those lost in combat), with 81 of those occurring since 1990. Fuel-line leaks were identified as a major cause of such crashes in the aging Mig-21s in IAF. The fuel-lines were replaced/ repaired for the Mig-21s and crashes have been reduced drastically since late 2009. After more than a year, the first Mig-21 Bison crashed due to engine damage in Feb 2011 ,the second one a type-96 Mig-21 on 2 August 2011 killing the pilot also during a landing exercise and the third one on 6 September 2011 near Rajpura in Punjab. A MiG-21 combat aircraft of the IAF on Friday October 7th, 2011 crashed near Uttarlai airport in Rajasthan's Barmer district but the pilot ejected safely.
Now Armand, for a fighter that was inducted as far back as 1969 and had not gone through an upgrade since then till 2000, 116 crashes in it's lifetime - does it sound toop bad? Especially between 1992 and 2000 during which time the parts supplier (Soviet Union/ Russia) brokeup, went bankrupt, transitioned from a communist state to an "open" economy and had stopped supplying parts to IAF?

JF-17 comparison whould be with LCA - right?
 

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When J 10 A is already available and it is clearly better than JF 17 then WHY are Pakistan and China
peddling this Junk Fighter

And Why has Pakistan NOT received A SINGLE J 10 A

Why are Pakistanis waiting for J 10 B which is supposed to be manna from heaven
The J-10 is better for a ground attack role. Extra pylons under the fueslage that only allow for ironbombs or pods. Wind loading is higher than the JF-17. Other than that there is not real difference except payload.
I believe the biggest difference is in the engine. The RD-33 series are mean for quick take offs to intercept. The AL-31 engines, not so much.
If you look at Pakstian, they don't have much time to get their birds up in the air while the PLAAF have a lot more time on their side. That may be the biggest reason behind it. Cost has nothing to do with it. Give enough expensive aconics to JF-17 and itll cost more than the J-10 and be able to perform ground attack and air attack better but it won't mean itll get into the air quicker with out a knew engine.
AFAIK, reliability was why India did not opt for the RD-33 series for the Tejas, and the AL-31 was just to heavy and would make the interception role of Tejas worthless.
 

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stop all this jf17 bashing , don't lower your standard .
 

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the most awaited thing in Indian forum happened. the post of first jf-17 crash. well loss of life and aircraft is sad but i recall on this instance a chinese good seller of delhi that chinese maal-" chale toh chand tak na chale to sham tak"
so jf goes down in training. finally. im damn sure that countries wont be buying it for some time until they make some better upgraded version of jf
 

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India hold the plane crash record by 1001 plane crashes .LOL
BTW, there r signs outside of Indian airfield" our goal is Zero accident ." LOL
 
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