Now, demand for Scot-style referendum in Balochistan

[Free Karma]

QUETTA: Baloch separatist leaders on Friday called on Pakistan to follow in Britain's footsteps by holding a referendum similar to Scotland's on granting independence to the insurgency-hit province.

Scots rejected independence in a vote that left the centuries-old United Kingdom intact despite a surge in nationalist support in the final fortnight of the campaign.

Bashir Azeem, secretary general of the outlawed Baloch Republican Party, said, "The Baloch have been struggling against the excesses and tyranny of Punjab-dominated establishment of Pakistan for decades." He added, "If a fair referendum is conducted after creating an atmosphere for it, providing the opportunity to Baloch population for deciding their future, it is welcomed."

Resource-rich Balochistan is the largest of Pakistan's four provinces, but its roughly seven million inhabitants have long complained they do not receive a fair share of its gas and mineral wealth.

Rebels began their fifth insurgency against the state in 2004, with hundreds of soldiers and militants killed in the fighting. The current insurgency gained in intensity after the 2006 killing of 79-year-old Baluch leader Nawab Akbar Khan Bugti, a revered figure for many rebels.

Azeem's son Jamil Akbar Bugti said: "I stand for a free and fair referendum in Baluchistan under the UN. Let Baloch people who are struggling for their independence decide their future."

Pakistan should respect the sentiments of these people and stop their brutal oppression of Baluchis.

Also related:'If there is a referendum in Balochistan, people will vote for independence' - The Hindu

 

[Pak-sarzameen]

Baloch freedom struggle? Lol. They need to be freed from sardars who keep them backward with slave mentality

 

[Blackwater]

Baloch freedom struggle? Lol. They need to be freed from sardars who keep them backward with slave mentality

Same can be said for sardars and waderas of punjab and Sindh

 

[Pak-sarzameen]

Same can be said for sardars and waderas of punjab and Sindh

Wadairas in sindh and south punjab are of baloch origin, conquerers who reduced the natives to slavery-like state.

 

[Zebra]

Electoral fraud won't help them to win in a country like Pakistan.

 

[Neo]

Pakistan should respect the sentiments of these people and stop their brutal oppression of Baluchis.

Also related:'If there is a referendum in Balochistan, people will vote for independence' - The Hindu

I am sure you will support the supppressed the Kashmiris with same demand. It would be hypocrite not to don't you think?

Kashmir looks for local lessons in Scottish referendum
By Andrew Whitehead
BBC World Service
17 September 2014

Kashmir looks for local lessons in Scottish referendum - BBC News

 

[Neo]

Pakistan should respect the sentiments of these people and stop their brutal oppression of Baluchis.

Also related:'If there is a referendum in Balochistan, people will vote for independence' - The Hindu

I am sure you will support the oppressed Kashmiris with same demand. It would be hypocrite not to don't you think?

Kashmir looks for local lessons in Scottish referendum
By Andrew Whitehead
BBC World Service
17 September 2014

Kashmir looks for local lessons in Scottish referendum - BBC News

 

[Neo]

Baloch freedom struggle? Lol. They need to be freed from sardars who keep them backward with slave mentality

Wadairas in sindh and south punjab are of baloch origin, conquerers who reduced the natives to slavery-like state.

Balochistan is in slavery of her own feudals, the Sardars who have sabbotaged every single effort to bring education and development to the region. Its the sardars fighting the state, not the ten million or so Balochis who are quite secular and patritic people. BLA was founded in the fifties but never formed a serious existional threat to the country, not even with foreign support because it does not have the backing of the common man.

 

[Zebra]

I am sure you will support the oppressed Kashmiris with same demand. It would be hypocrite not to don't you think?

Kashmir looks for local lessons in Scottish referendum
By Andrew Whitehead
BBC World Service
17 September 2014

Kashmir looks for local lessons in Scottish referendum - BBC News

You are mixing two different issues here.

Open new thread for Kashmir, if you like.

Stick to the topic, as per the title of this thread. Please.

 

[Neo]

You are mixing two different issues here.

Open new thread for Kashmir, if you like.

Stick to the topic, as per the title of this thread. Please.

It is not about Kashmir or Balochistan but a Scotland style referndum. If it applies to Balochistan, it applies to the whole Sub Continent, specially to those who brag about being worlds largest democracy. Don't get hyper when the argument backfires on you.

 

[Zebra]

It is not about Kashmir or Balochistan but a Scotland style referndum. If it applies to Balochistan, it applies to the whole Sub Continent, specially to those who brag about being worlds largest democracy. Don't get hyper when the argument backfires on you.

At first place these type of referendums won't work.

Second, you are dying to emphasis on 'Scot style referendum' only. That is ridiculous itself and specially when you apply it for country like India.

Even the most recent case, the new state formed Telangana, its CM's daughter herself talked about independent Telangana.

Are there anybody cry for it now?

Dude, this is India. Take care your own 'backfires', it might help you.

Anyway, don't forget to stick on "Scot-style referendum in Balochistan" only.

Feel free to open few more new threads for all the other referendums where ever it might be. Please.

 

[Neo]

Balochistan is an integral and undisputed part of Pakistan and from our point of view we have a valid claim on Kashmir which we refer to as Maqbooza or Indian Occupied Kashmir. If a Scot style referendum applies to Balochistan, it should equally be granted to all five provinces and disputed territories. Any such referendum in Balochistan will cause a chain reaction throughout the ciuntry with all privinces demading the right to hold a referndum of their own.

Why this kind of referendum will not work in Pakistan is because we are not a mature democracy. There is no guarantee for transparant and fair referendum since we don't have institutional infrastructure nor the political stablity or the will for such endeavor.
Schot referendum was largely backed by the population where as in Balochistan the demand is being made by the seperatists and the feudals. A true referendum should be based on the rights of the common man, not just a handful feudals.

Common Balochi does not support an independant Balochistan or else there would be no support for the largest parties governing the autonomous region in its current administration.
Kashmir on the other hand has a large section of population supporting full independence which makes is more eligable for a Scot like referendum than Balochistan.

 

[sydsnyper]

Remember when you brought up an issue with Kashmiri students and when we said balochistan you went to the mods crying that the others were trolling

forever a paki.....

It is not about Kashmir or Balochistan but a Scotland style referndum. If it applies to Balochistan, it applies to the whole Sub Continent, specially to those who brag about being worlds largest democracy. Don't get hyper when the argument backfires on you.

 

[anupamsurey]

Balochistan is an integral and undisputed part of Pakistan and from our point of view we have a valid claim on Kashmir which we refer to as Maqbooza or Indian Occupied Kashmir. If a Scot style referendum applies to Balochistan, it should equally be granted to all five provinces and disputed territories. Any such referendum in Balochistan will cause a chain reaction throughout the ciuntry with all privinces demading the right to hold a referndum of their own.

Why this kind of referendum will not work in Pakistan is because we are not a mature democracy. There is no guarantee for transparant and fair referendum since we don't have institutional infrastructure nor the political stablity or the will for such endeavor.
Schot referendum was largely backed by the population where as in Balochistan the demand is being made by the seperatists and the feudals. A true referendum should be based on the rights of the common man, not just a handful feudals.

Common Balochi does not support an independant Balochistan or else there would be no support for the largest parties governing the autonomous region in its current administration.
Kashmir on the other hand has a large section of population supporting full independence which makes is more eligable for a Scot like referendum than Balochistan.

one thing pakistanis fail to understand is a majority of kashmiris have been in favour of India since long, if it was not pakis with their super plans would have bagged kashmir in previous wars. the people shown on tv protesting Indian govt even do not form a 1pc of the entire population (and mind you these people are those who talk of islam and a islamic brotherhood)...if this the fact that nearly 50 pc of people vote in assembly and parliament election undermines the paki claim of human rightds violations, and what not. seriously Kashmiris in India are less sympathetic to pakistan than pakistanis themselves are .......so just one or two hired pakistanis (those who call them supporters of azad kashmir try to get few 100 people and inform pakistani boss that kashmir wants to be liberated is as good as SAILOR WILL STIFLE US)....ps IN INDIA EVEN RELIGIOUS BABAS HAVE MILLIONS OF FOLLOWERS BUT THIS AZAD KASHMIR BRIGADES EVEN FAILS TO ATTRACT FEW 100S.
THE ABDULLAS HAVE EXPLOITED KASHMIRIS LIKE SLAVES ARE EXPLOITED...WHAT KASHMIR NEED IS A PROPER LEADER OF NON MUSLIM BACKGROUND (but it wont happen as muslims are like that).

 

[Blackwater]

You are mixing two different issues here.

Open new thread for Kashmir, if you like.

Stick to the topic, as per the title of this thread. Please.

Look Casper , who is talking Mr neo loll biggest hypocrite

 

[Blackwater]

one thing pakistanis fail to understand is a majority of kashmiris have been in favour of India since long, if it was not pakis with their super plans would have bagged kashmir in previous wars. the people shown on tv protesting Indian govt even do not form a 1pc of the entire population (and mind you these people are those who talk of islam and a islamic brotherhood)...if this the fact that nearly 50 pc of people vote in assembly and parliament election undermines the paki claim of human rightds violations, and what not. seriously Kashmiris in India are less sympathetic to pakistan than pakistanis themselves are .......so just one or two hired pakistanis (those who call them supporters of azad kashmir try to get few 100 people and inform pakistani boss that kashmir wants to be liberated is as good as SAILOR WILL STIFLE US)....ps IN INDIA EVEN RELIGIOUS BABAS HAVE MILLIONS OF FOLLOWERS BUT THIS AZAD KASHMIR BRIGADES EVEN FAILS TO ATTRACT FEW 100S.
THE ABDULLAS HAVE EXPLOITED KASHMIRIS LIKE SLAVES ARE EXPLOITED...WHAT KASHMIR NEED IS A PROPER LEADER OF NON MUSLIM BACKGROUND (but it wont happen as muslims are like that).

Kashmir was peaceful till 86, I visited it personally . But when Hamid gull transfer afghan jihad on Kashmir things have changed

 

[Blackwater]

To all pakis here on this forum

Marsuu marsuu Kashmir na de su , gaal palle pe gayi su

 

[Neo]

Remember when you brought up an issue with Kashmiri students and when we said balochistan you went to the mods crying that the others were trolling

forever a paki.....

And I will do it again if you start trolling as there is no use feeding the trolls. Let the mods deal with it.

 

[Neo]

one thing pakistanis fail to understand is a majority of kashmiris have been in favour of India since long, if it was not pakis with their super plans would have bagged kashmir in previous wars. the people shown on tv protesting Indian govt even do not form a 1pc of the entire population (and mind you these people are those who talk of islam and a islamic brotherhood)...if this the fact that nearly 50 pc of people vote in assembly and parliament election undermines the paki claim of human rightds violations, and what not. seriously Kashmiris in India are less sympathetic to pakistan than pakistanis themselves are .......so just one or two hired pakistanis (those who call them supporters of azad kashmir try to get few 100 people and inform pakistani boss that kashmir wants to be liberated is as good as SAILOR WILL STIFLE US)....ps IN INDIA EVEN RELIGIOUS BABAS HAVE MILLIONS OF FOLLOWERS BUT THIS AZAD KASHMIR BRIGADES EVEN FAILS TO ATTRACT FEW 100S.
THE ABDULLAS HAVE EXPLOITED KASHMIRIS LIKE SLAVES ARE EXPLOITED...WHAT KASHMIR NEED IS A PROPER LEADER OF NON MUSLIM BACKGROUND (but it wont happen as muslims are like that).

I can't change the dellusional mindset of Indians but I will certainly start to take them.seriously once Indian Independence Day is widely celebrated in Srinagar and Pakistan flag is no longer hoisted in parts of the disputed territory.
Untill then, I will observe 15th August as a Black Day just like the average Kashmiri.

 

[ladder]

I can't change the dellusional mindset of Indians but I will certainly start to take them.seriously once Indian Independence Day is widely celebrated in Srinagar and Pakistan flag is no longer hoisted in parts of the disputed territory.
Untill then, I will observe 15th August as a Black Day just like the average Kashmiri.

Not just you but, you should teach your children and grand children and great grand children too to observe the day as Black day, as the it is unlikely that Kashmir will be independent and is also unlikely that you or your progeny will be able to feel the real change in ground situation.

In 1948 Kashmir was a disputed territory ( Pak's POV), East Pakistan was not but today? Should I say more?