New UK rules to hit Pakistanis hardest

[trackwhack]

is same rule for indians?

yes, but most Indians will qualify the income threshold quite easily.

 

[Blackwater]

yes, but most Indians will qualify the income threshold quite easily.

i said the same thing in my post 15

 

[trackwhack]

i said the same thing in my post 15

so?

maybe you should interpret that as - I dont read your posts.

 

[Energon]

OK Just kidding, I glossed over some census data and the disparity withing the South Asian communities is astounding. The statistics among Pakistanis and Bangladeshis in particular are downright horrifying. The UK government really needs to step its game up. One glaring problem is the gender component. The education representation between males and females within the Pakistani and Bangladeshi community is far to stark. It is however improving in the newer generations. It is possible that the level of education and subsequent economic productivity is notably low among women because they are imported as brides from their home countries and expected to live within the confines of male dominated customs. If this is the case it does make a lot of sense to enact policies that dissuade young men from going back to Pakistan and Bangladesh to find wives and instead promote marriage within the British born immigrant community where women are more educated.

 

[Energon]

Its a muslim community phenomenon in the UK, to have dozen kids and live on welfare.

This is clearly a self perpetuating cyclical problem. There is a direct correlation between extremely high birth rates and lack of education and economic independence among women. As I said in my earlier post the disparity among the genders within the Pakistani and Bangladeshi communities (with the assumption that they represent a fair share of Muslim south Asians) are very steep when it comes to economic productivity and higher education. This compounded with the ghetto phenomenon results in the persistence of archaic customs and values such as suppression of women.

As a foreign born person of Indian origin myself, I have always had a rather mixed view about males like me going back to Asia to find the "perfect submissive" wife. Obviously people are free to do as they please and not all cases are bad; in fact many women who come here as brides are highly educated, motivated and end up doing well for themselves. Nonetheless I find a lingering element of misogyny here. Males it seems do not want to marry the vilified "westernized" girls who are bound to be more independent than their counterparts in the homeland. It seems they want to shirk the responsibility of the increasingly changing gender roles where women are more independent and men are expected to contribute toward domestic duties.

But coming back to the topic at hand, it seems the British government needs to implement policy that will increase the rate of upwardly mobile women by either enticing males to bring highly educated wives back or promote marriages within the british Asian community.

**** Please desist from using my posts to indulge in Indian superiority chest beating and putting down pakistanis. That is not the point of my post because it would be a total waste of time

 

[panduranghari]

It's not alone in UK but in whole western world where social benefits are raped by people from Muslim country. though i dont generalize Muslim as such.

Here in Holland there r lot of Moroccans immigrant.they do the same thing wat pakis does in UK.

They have more school dropouts, more police cases and produce kids as they produce payaz or tamatar. they rape social benefits of govt.they even call Holland as "Casino Holland":shocked::shocked:

but now dutch govt has made strict rules on benefits. no matter how many kids u produce, u will get less benefits with more kids and no more big social houses when u have more kids.

i love dutch govt:thumb::thumb:

They surely have guts.

 

[panduranghari]

There is a direct correlation between extremely high birth rates and ........... promote marriages within the british Asian community.

One recent media report estimated that British Pakistanis were 13 times more likely to have children with genetic disorders than the general population. Taken out of context, this figure implies that ALL British Pakistanis are equally at risk irrespective of marriage patterns, and fails to clarify that the risk relates specifically to recessive genetic disorders which can arise in cousin marriages. Other types of genetic conditions, including chromosomal abnormalities, sex-linked conditions and autosomal dominant conditions are not influenced by cousin marriage.

The absolute risk to first cousins having a child with a recessive genetic condition is about three in every 100 births, unless they have a family history of an autosomal recessive disorder, in which case the risk may be higher. When we also include the background risk of having a child with any type of congenital or genetic disorder, which applies in every pregnancy, the overall risk to first cousins rises to about six in every 100 births, i.e. double the risk in the general population. The great majority of pregnancies do not result in abnormalities. .

Human Genetics Commission - About the HGC

 

[Daredevil]

The effect of new rules are already here to see. Pakis in a frenzy to get spouses on old immigration policy are rushing to get married in Pakistan and get a spouse visa.

New UK immigration law sparked wedding frenzy in Pakistan

By Asif Mehmood

LONDON: New immigration laws imposed by the British government forced frantic British Pakistanis to hold last-minute weddings.

Hundreds of Pakistani families flew back to Pakistan as they were compelled to plead and complete the paperwork before the imposition of tougher immigration laws. Leading immigration lawyers have seen applications for spouse visas treble in the past week due to government's deadline that ended on Monday. The controversial new laws, which have been slammed by migrant groups and lawyers, mean a Briton has to earn a minimum £18,600 to bring his/her overseas partner into the UK. From July 9, if a foreign-born spouse already has children, their British partner has to earn £22,400 or more depending on how many children they have. Spouses from overseas also have to pass the 'life in the UK test' and their probation period will be extended from two to five years.

A leading lawyer, Syed Rashid Masood, told Daily Times, "A lot of people who were planning to get married later on have already gone to India and Pakistan to do so, gave up their big budget wedding to get married in a simple ceremony so they can apply. In the rush, people tried to get their overseas spouses to clear the ESOL or IELTS in a record-breaking time and are also collecting their paperwork with great speed. To suddenly introduce a measure like this is unfair of the British government. People have been given less than a month to get married and apply for their spouses."

If a person is earning £15,000, they will now have to show at least £25,000 in savings, which must have been in their accounts for six months. The Joint Council for the Welfare of Immigrants, a lobby group, has said the new laws could affect about 20,000 families in Britain.

One person who rushed to beat the deadline was Raheela, whose name has been changed to protect her identity. She travelled to Pakistan to make an application for her spouse. Raheela told Daily Times, "I have spent over £20,000 to make arrangements for travel, emergency paperwork and fees. Let's hope the review of legislation is made, otherwise marriage as an institution is in jeopardy as far as Asian Brits are concerned. There's not a lot of compatible matches here but sponsoring [spouse] successfully is going to be like winning a lottery."

Reena Saini, one of the top immigration lawyers in Britain, said, "I have dealt with dozens of queries where people were stressed to invite their spouse and were worried that post July 9 they may not meet the threshold. I have dealt with around a dozen applications to make an emergency application, where people were stressed to invite their spouses and were worried that post July 9 they may not meet the threshold. People are taking loans, cancelling holidays, arranging language [tests] and fees for submission of their application."

Talking to Daily Times, Pakistan Forum Chairman Raja Javed Iqbal said, "We foresee a big impact on family life in Britain for Pakistani community. It will have a disproportionate affect on poorer families. It will split families until they can join them. Unless they have a family business which can pay them more, they don't have control on the climate, so families can't put pressure on them to earn more."

British Home Secretary Theresa May has said that the family visa laws will save taxpayers £1.5 billion in 10 years and cut the number of visas issued by around a third to 18,500 a year.

 

[Blackwater]

so?

maybe you should interpret that as - I dont read your posts.

did i say something wrong or offending to you:shocked::shocked::shocked::shocked:

 

[ani82v]

UK immigration laws spark Pakistan wedding boom | DAWN.COM

New British immigration laws have unleashed a stampede to wed and a frenzy of English lessons for Pakistanis desperate to migrate as new restrictions come into effect.

The boom was particularly marked in Mirpur, where Islamabad estimates 200,000 of Britain's 1.2 million Pakistanis have their family origins.