Sameet Pattnaik
Regular Member
- Joined
- Jun 12, 2014
- Messages
- 123
- Likes
- 36
lets agree to disagree american are using covert tactics to cause harm to russsia !happy
NATO Expansion: Threat to World Peace
- Thread starter happy
- Start date
jouni
Senior Member
- Joined
- Jul 29, 2014
- Messages
- 3,900
- Likes
- 1,138
Norwegian daily: Nordics to step up security cooperation on perceived Russian threat | Yle Uutiset | yle.fi
Norwegian daily Aftenposten reported Thursday on the defence cooperation agreement involving Finland, Sweden, Norway, Iceland and Denmark in an op-ed undersigned by their respective Defence Ministers. The background to the intensified collaboration was said to be the perceived threat posed by Russia.
"The Russian aggression against the Ukraine and the illegal annexation of Crimea are violations of international law and other international agreements. Russia's conduct represents the gravest challenge to European security. As a consequence, the security situation in the Nordic countries' adjacent areas has become significantly worsened during the past year"¦. we must be prepared to face possible crises or incidents," the ministers wrote in the opinion piece.
"We have to examine what Russia is doing, not the rhetoric coming from the Kremlin," they added.
They noted that the Nordic states represented in the missive plan to deepen cooperation in areas such as military exercises, acquisition of defence materiel, intelligence sharing and thwarting cyber attacks.
The letter disclosed that the decision to intensify defence cooperation was taken during a meeting of Nordic defence ministers on March 10. The Baltic States will also be included in the community. The ministers indicated that the adrive to expand the group beyond the Nordics was discussed back in November 2014.
"In November last year 12 nations met in order to prepare an extended defence cooperation: The Nordic counties plus the Baltic states, Poland, The Netherlands, Germany and Great Britain," the op-ed stated.
Norwegian daily Aftenposten reported Thursday on the defence cooperation agreement involving Finland, Sweden, Norway, Iceland and Denmark in an op-ed undersigned by their respective Defence Ministers. The background to the intensified collaboration was said to be the perceived threat posed by Russia.
"The Russian aggression against the Ukraine and the illegal annexation of Crimea are violations of international law and other international agreements. Russia's conduct represents the gravest challenge to European security. As a consequence, the security situation in the Nordic countries' adjacent areas has become significantly worsened during the past year"¦. we must be prepared to face possible crises or incidents," the ministers wrote in the opinion piece.
"We have to examine what Russia is doing, not the rhetoric coming from the Kremlin," they added.
They noted that the Nordic states represented in the missive plan to deepen cooperation in areas such as military exercises, acquisition of defence materiel, intelligence sharing and thwarting cyber attacks.
The letter disclosed that the decision to intensify defence cooperation was taken during a meeting of Nordic defence ministers on March 10. The Baltic States will also be included in the community. The ministers indicated that the adrive to expand the group beyond the Nordics was discussed back in November 2014.
"In November last year 12 nations met in order to prepare an extended defence cooperation: The Nordic counties plus the Baltic states, Poland, The Netherlands, Germany and Great Britain," the op-ed stated.
- Joined
- Feb 21, 2012
- Messages
- 6,017
- Likes
- 3,364
.
With idiots like Putin with damn number of Nukes who else feel secure, NATO is the only Hope
Sitting near a nuclear tripwire, Estonia's president urges Nato to send troops to defend his country
With idiots like Putin with damn number of Nukes who else feel secure, NATO is the only Hope
Sitting near a nuclear tripwire, Estonia's president urges Nato to send troops to defend his country
Former soviet states have joined NATO because they don't want to belong to Russia. (They also don't want tomorrow "little green men" on their soil that's why they have joined NATO.) No country can prevent independent countries from choosing their allies.
Pun intended at the words "protection" and "US."
Refer to : http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...95-brics-e7-economies-ibsa-7.html#post1013049
If Russia wants to stop other countries from joining NATO the best way would be to stop acting so aggressive.
- Joined
- Sep 6, 2014
- Messages
- 3,254
- Likes
- 3,061
These are speechless 30 characters.
P.S. Russia comes to dominate Eastern Europe once more! Lol.
30 shades of unbelievable bullshit
Yes,sure as if the Eastern Europeans will again accept a bunch of commies psychopaths killers/rapists invade their land.
Anyway as i said erlier,if Russia wants to prevent other countries joining NATO,they should stop acting aggressively towards Easter european countries and stop threatening to nuke some countries.
- Joined
- Apr 28, 2012
- Messages
- 7,114
- Likes
- 7,762
That was some serious BS. Do you even know the reason behind 2001 crisis was related to dot com bubble burst!
Cadian
Regular Member
- Joined
- May 5, 2014
- Messages
- 824
- Likes
- 795
Nato's Russian city
By Neal RazzellBBC World Service
Estonia is one of the countries in Eastern Europe where US tanks, artillery and other military equipment will soon start arriving, Defense Secretary Ash Carter said on Tuesday in the Estonian capital, Tallinn. But there is one community in Estonia that may have mixed feelings about these new US deployments.
Nato has a Russian city. It's called Narva and its main feature is a 12th Century castle overlooking the Narva River. Climb to the top and you can peer down on its ancient nemesis - the fortress of Ivangorod that sprawls along the opposite bank. This spot has long been a place of conflict between east and west. Today, Ivangorod and its fortress are in Russia. Narva and its castle are in Estonia, which means they're in the EU and Nato.
But Narva's people are almost entirely - and often resolutely - Russian.
The view of Ivangorod from the Estonian side of the border
Note the Russian television on in seemingly every home, lobby and restaurant. Note the statue of Lenin on the castle grounds. And the Soviet tank on a stone plinth by the river. And the crowd laying flowers by it on Victory Day - when Russians everywhere celebrate the Nazi defeat in 1945.
A concert on that day last month featured a lot of flags. There were Russian ones, with white, blue and red bars. And Soviet ones, with a golden hammer, sickle and star set against a bright red banner. But there was not one blue, black and white Estonian flag.
"They have their own traditions," one man told me.
I even saw a flag used by the Russian rebels in the Ukrainian city of Donetsk. Donetsk is a sister city to Narva. The guy with its flag said its people need support - "they're being bombed right now".
Narva in numbers
Could what's happening in Donetsk happen here, I asked.
"It's very much possible," he said. "Estonia is somewhere out there," gesturing west. "We're on our own. The government only remembers us before election days."
There's a history here. To liberate Narva the Soviets bombed it flat. They then moved in tens of thousands of Russian civilians. To build - or as many Estonians see it - to occupy. Estonia only regained independence in 1991 with the collapse of communism. It has since had a sometimes awkward relationship with its Russians, who make up a quarter of the total population. Some don't have equal citizenship or voting rights. The president once told the BBC there's no more reason to speak Russian in Estonia than Japanese or Urdu. For him to even speak Russian, he said, would legitimise 50 years of Soviet brutalisation.
So Russians don't always feel the warm embrace of the Estonian state. And it's not as if they're so busy getting rich they don't notice. Narva has seen better days. The giant factories that once employed so many sit empty. Plants grow out of the bricks. An affable middle-aged man named Slava Konovalov helped me slip into an abandoned textile mill where his mother used to work. He remembers the deafening noise of the place when he came to see her as a boy. Now, the only sounds were our voices echoing around a vast courtyard, the crunch of rubble beneath our feet and the caw of a lone ornery crow.
An abandoned textile mill in Narva
Slava's mum was one of those Russians who moved here after the war. When she got her first paycheck she thought there was a mistake. She was earning three times as much as she did back home in Russia. It was no mistake. Narva, Slava said, was a good place to be Russian. Today, that's less true. Russians in Estonia are still doing better economically than Russians in Russia. But compared to their countrymen in Estonia, they're doing worse. Slava, a local official with figures to hand, says people in Narva on average earn a third less than Estonians in general.
Local grievances can add up and the Estonian government believes the Kremlin is already trying to use them to undermine the state. This is obvious, the government communications director, Ilmar Raag, told me. Russian television is hostile, he said, fabricating stories and exaggerating problems. He doesn't believe it has yet created a fifth column eager to rise up and break away, as in Ukraine. But there are unnerving signs.
He asked young people in Narva who their leader was. Their answer? Vladimir Putin.
"If Putin would say to this population - you should do something hostile - then no-one knows what will happen," Raag said.
Estonia recently held its largest-ever war gaming exercise
For his part, Putin throws his hands up at such talk. He told an interviewer earlier this month, "Only an insane person and only in a dream can imagine that Russia would suddenly attack Nato."
The Estonians are not betting on his sanity. They recently held their largest-ever war games and are one of the few countries to meet its Nato commitment to spend 2% of GDP on defence. They've also launched a campaign to bolster what they call the country's "psychological defences" against Russian misinformation. It includes civics classes in schools and a new Russian-language TV station... with a studio in Narva.
The campaign's success will be measured over years. Meanwhile, if Putin does want to cause trouble inside Nato, he's got material to work with.
Listen to Neal Razzell's radio documentary, Estonia's Russian Problem, on Assignment, on the BBC World Service. You can find transmission times on the same page.
Subscribe to the BBC News Magazine's email newsletter to get articles sent to your inbox.
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-33258667
Bonus:
By Neal RazzellBBC World Service
- 25 June 2015
Estonia is one of the countries in Eastern Europe where US tanks, artillery and other military equipment will soon start arriving, Defense Secretary Ash Carter said on Tuesday in the Estonian capital, Tallinn. But there is one community in Estonia that may have mixed feelings about these new US deployments.
Nato has a Russian city. It's called Narva and its main feature is a 12th Century castle overlooking the Narva River. Climb to the top and you can peer down on its ancient nemesis - the fortress of Ivangorod that sprawls along the opposite bank. This spot has long been a place of conflict between east and west. Today, Ivangorod and its fortress are in Russia. Narva and its castle are in Estonia, which means they're in the EU and Nato.
But Narva's people are almost entirely - and often resolutely - Russian.
The view of Ivangorod from the Estonian side of the border
Note the Russian television on in seemingly every home, lobby and restaurant. Note the statue of Lenin on the castle grounds. And the Soviet tank on a stone plinth by the river. And the crowd laying flowers by it on Victory Day - when Russians everywhere celebrate the Nazi defeat in 1945.
A concert on that day last month featured a lot of flags. There were Russian ones, with white, blue and red bars. And Soviet ones, with a golden hammer, sickle and star set against a bright red banner. But there was not one blue, black and white Estonian flag.
"They have their own traditions," one man told me.
I even saw a flag used by the Russian rebels in the Ukrainian city of Donetsk. Donetsk is a sister city to Narva. The guy with its flag said its people need support - "they're being bombed right now".
Narva in numbers
- Third largest city in Estonia - population of 58,000
- Ethnic Russians make up 83% of the population, ethnic Estonians make up 4%
- More than 36% of the population has Russian citizenship, 47% has Estonian citizenship
Could what's happening in Donetsk happen here, I asked.
"It's very much possible," he said. "Estonia is somewhere out there," gesturing west. "We're on our own. The government only remembers us before election days."
There's a history here. To liberate Narva the Soviets bombed it flat. They then moved in tens of thousands of Russian civilians. To build - or as many Estonians see it - to occupy. Estonia only regained independence in 1991 with the collapse of communism. It has since had a sometimes awkward relationship with its Russians, who make up a quarter of the total population. Some don't have equal citizenship or voting rights. The president once told the BBC there's no more reason to speak Russian in Estonia than Japanese or Urdu. For him to even speak Russian, he said, would legitimise 50 years of Soviet brutalisation.
So Russians don't always feel the warm embrace of the Estonian state. And it's not as if they're so busy getting rich they don't notice. Narva has seen better days. The giant factories that once employed so many sit empty. Plants grow out of the bricks. An affable middle-aged man named Slava Konovalov helped me slip into an abandoned textile mill where his mother used to work. He remembers the deafening noise of the place when he came to see her as a boy. Now, the only sounds were our voices echoing around a vast courtyard, the crunch of rubble beneath our feet and the caw of a lone ornery crow.
An abandoned textile mill in Narva
Slava's mum was one of those Russians who moved here after the war. When she got her first paycheck she thought there was a mistake. She was earning three times as much as she did back home in Russia. It was no mistake. Narva, Slava said, was a good place to be Russian. Today, that's less true. Russians in Estonia are still doing better economically than Russians in Russia. But compared to their countrymen in Estonia, they're doing worse. Slava, a local official with figures to hand, says people in Narva on average earn a third less than Estonians in general.
Local grievances can add up and the Estonian government believes the Kremlin is already trying to use them to undermine the state. This is obvious, the government communications director, Ilmar Raag, told me. Russian television is hostile, he said, fabricating stories and exaggerating problems. He doesn't believe it has yet created a fifth column eager to rise up and break away, as in Ukraine. But there are unnerving signs.
He asked young people in Narva who their leader was. Their answer? Vladimir Putin.
"If Putin would say to this population - you should do something hostile - then no-one knows what will happen," Raag said.
Estonia recently held its largest-ever war gaming exercise
For his part, Putin throws his hands up at such talk. He told an interviewer earlier this month, "Only an insane person and only in a dream can imagine that Russia would suddenly attack Nato."
The Estonians are not betting on his sanity. They recently held their largest-ever war games and are one of the few countries to meet its Nato commitment to spend 2% of GDP on defence. They've also launched a campaign to bolster what they call the country's "psychological defences" against Russian misinformation. It includes civics classes in schools and a new Russian-language TV station... with a studio in Narva.
The campaign's success will be measured over years. Meanwhile, if Putin does want to cause trouble inside Nato, he's got material to work with.
Listen to Neal Razzell's radio documentary, Estonia's Russian Problem, on Assignment, on the BBC World Service. You can find transmission times on the same page.
Subscribe to the BBC News Magazine's email newsletter to get articles sent to your inbox.
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-33258667
Bonus:
Cadian
Regular Member
- Joined
- May 5, 2014
- Messages
- 824
- Likes
- 795
USA said Russia will "attack" Baltics, that means it "will". After 08/08/08 Georgia, they said Ukraine will be next. So did happened. Pro-American coups in both countries are just coincidences, which do not worth a discussion.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/12/europes-next-war/?page=all
jouni
Senior Member
- Joined
- Jul 29, 2014
- Messages
- 3,900
- Likes
- 1,138
Quite accurate article. I am sorry that you see this as a US vs Russia hegemony fight. With that logic, your neighbors have only bad choices: stay poverish and corrupt, or become Russias enemy.
Cadian
Regular Member
- Joined
- May 5, 2014
- Messages
- 824
- Likes
- 795
No, this is YOUR logic, not mine. YOU say that keeping ties with Russia is equal to "stay poverish and corrupt", even when there is example of Ukraine as the most fresh one. I don't understand you, I don't understand at all.
jouni
Senior Member
- Joined
- Jul 29, 2014
- Messages
- 3,900
- Likes
- 1,138
I was this week three days in Russia. We have a cross border program of transferring know-how. I can clearly see that in many fields you are 20-30 years behind EU. You and Ukraine BOTH need co operation with EU to close the gap. You need co operation, not concepts of spheres of influence from hundred years ago. This is 2015, not 1937.
- Joined
- Aug 12, 2009
- Messages
- 10,569
- Likes
- 25,231
Huh
These are speechless 30 characters.
P.S. Russia comes to dominate Eastern Europe once more! Lol.
Who created the above map?
Cadian
Regular Member
- Joined
- May 5, 2014
- Messages
- 824
- Likes
- 795
http://www.vox.com/2015/6/29/8858909/russia-war-flowchartHuh
Who created the above map?
I guess this is an original one.
pmaitra
Senior Member
- Joined
- Mar 10, 2009
- Messages
- 33,262
- Likes
- 19,594
EU is going to collapse, but not before that pathetic excuse of a currency regime called EuroZone. The myth of European values had already collapsed when European countries took the help of their prostitutes in boosting GDP.
jouni
Senior Member
- Joined
- Jul 29, 2014
- Messages
- 3,900
- Likes
- 1,138
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/opinion/article/why-isnt-russia-part-of-europe-op-ed/524933.html
Great article about Russian Asian history, helps to understand Russia-Europe tensions
Great article about Russian Asian history, helps to understand Russia-Europe tensions
| Thread starter | Similar threads | Forum | Replies | Date |
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Putin says Russia is ready for war with NATO | Europe and Russia | 11 | |
|
Lessons from Russia-NATO war in Ukraine (Non-Discussion thread) | Knowledge Repository | 7 | |
|
Sweden and Finland to join NATO | Europe and Russia | 37 | |
| T | Indian forces interoperability with NATO | Defence & Strategy | 2 |
