Most of paks live pretending as Indian abroad

[Blackwater]

 

[Daredevil]

Watch at the end. According to the girl, many Pakistanis pretend as Indians in foreign countries due to a bad image of Pakistan.

 

[Known_Unknown]

^^Pot meet kettle. If Indians were really proud of their language and culture, they wouldn't have adopted English as the exclusive medium of instruction for higher education and thus relegated their own languages to become largely irrelevant in the global context.

 

[farhan_9909]

on one even if you bring the whole history to a pakistan.he won't believe that he has any linked with india or indian origin.

while here you guys say they call themselves indians.

 

[Ray]

on one even if you bring the whole history to a pakistan.he won't believe that he has any linked with india or indian origin.

while here you guys say they call themselves indians.

They are proud within their own country.

When outside their country, they opt for a survival mode.

It is acceptable to be an Indian, whereas being a Pakistani has its inherent handicaps.

 

[farhan_9909]

They are proud within their own country.

When outside their country, they opt for a survival mode.

It is acceptable to be an Indian, whereas being a Pakistani has its inherent handicaps.

Survival mode?

well as for as i know in countries such as austrailia indians are attacked not pakistani.while for survival they might opt to be a pakistani.who knows

 

[ersakthivel]

^^Pot meet kettle. If Indians were really proud of their language and culture, they wouldn't have adopted English as the exclusive medium of instruction for higher education and thus relegated their own languages to become largely irrelevant in the global context.

Not so simple.There is no such thing as a national language either in india or pakistan.Hindi is the mother tongue of less than 30 percent of indians.

So to avoid favouring one language group over the other during the highly charged language sentiments in south india just after independence,wise and true democrats like Nheru decided not to push hindi on other indian citizens who don't know hindi , so as to avoid the suspicion of favoring one language against the other.

So a federal system was decided upon with 24 indian states with roughly 20 to 50 million each with their local regional languages as ruling language.

The pakistanis failed in that and tried to push URDU on bengalis and the result is the collapse of pakistan with bangladesh as a new nation state.Their promotion of urdu is only spearheading madarasa educated suicide bombers in the name of jihad,

The srilankans failed to emulate leaders like nehru and the result was the ethnic strife,even after the end of civil war the sri lannkan government is still failing to address the issue.

As a saying goes :LOVE IS THE CHILD OF FREEDOM, you cannot force other language speakers to speak your own mother tongue and expect them to love you back.


Anyway the choice of english is now a huge boost to india as indian software engineers and other business people and technicians now connect fluently with the world using english and no language based seperation demand on the freshly formed indian union.

 

[Ray]

Survival mode?

well as for as i know in countries such as austrailia indians are attacked not pakistani.while for survival they might opt to be a pakistani.who knows

Yes, survival mode.

It is an unfortunate thing, but outside Pakistan, if one mentions he is a Pakistani, there is always the image of terrorism that looms on the mind of the people.

Sad, but true.

In Australia or anywhere else, it is very difficult for the natives of that country to differentiate between an Indian and a Pakistani. Therefore, I would feel that it is too simplistic to state that Pakistanis are not at the wrong end of the stick when the natives get ballistic.

I am sure you have read about how the Sikhs get killed because they are mistakenly taken to be Muslims because of their turbans, which the foreigners, who are not versed with the difference, feel is the signature of all Muslims.

And why are Muslims attacked?

Because of the inbuilt disgust in their psyche that all Muslims are terrorists.

An erroneous mindset, but nevertheless, that is the reality.

This is also the reason why Pakistanis want to pass off as Indians when abroad.

 

[Known_Unknown]

Not so simple.There is no such thing as a national language either in india or pakistan.Hindi is the mother tongue of less than 30 percent of indians.

So to avoid favouring one language group over the other during the highly charged language sentiments in south india just after independence,wise and true democrats like Nheru decided not to push hindi on other indian citizens who don't know hindi , so as to avoid the suspicion of favoring one language against the other.

So a federal system was decided upon with 24 indian states with roughly 20 to 50 million each with their local regional languages as ruling language.

The pakistanis failed in that and tried to push URDU on bengalis and the result is the collapse of pakistan with bangladesh as a new nation state.Their promotion of urdu is only spearheading madarasa educated suicide bombers in the name of jihad,

The srilankans failed to emulate leaders like nehru and the result was the ethnic strife,even after the end of civil war the sri lannkan government is still failing to address the issue.

As a saying goes :LOVE IS THE CHILD OF FREEDOM, you cannot force other language speakers to speak your own mother tongue and expect them to love you back.


Anyway the choice of english is now a huge boost to india as indian software engineers and other business people and technicians now connect fluently with the world using english and no language based seperation demand on the freshly formed indian union.

Your entire post is completely irrelevant. Education is a state matter, hence every state should have made it compulsory for higher education in their own language.

Of course, none of the state leaders had the vision or the pride in their own language to implement this kind of policy. That is one of the major reasons why India is so backward in terms of science and technology. The biggest hurdle that a common man has to overcome when tackling everyday problems is that the entire body of scientific literature in India is in English. If that person's education up to 12th std has been in a non-English medium school, in order to embark on any serious research, he first has to familiarize himself with the English language-no small task considering it takes many years for a person to become fluent in a language. At the same time, he has to navigate a labyrinth of scientific terms that make no sense to him whatsoever since they aren't related and haven't originated from his native language.

Anyone who's every taken advanced biology classes in 11th or 12th or become a doctor will know that the terminology involved is terribly cumbersome and one has to memorize the words, phrases and idioms used in medical science because they don't have any link to everyday language. Same thing applies to engineering terms. They have no equivalents in Indian languages. While an engineer in the US might easily be able to explain scientific concepts to a farmer who is concerned about a nuclear plant coming up in his town, an Indian engineer will be at a loss to explain it to an Indian farmer because they simply don't speak the same language!

This absence of scientific terminology and scientific culture in vernacular languages has other, deeper and more troublesome consequences. When a documentary about space comes on TV in India, children have a hard time understanding it because words like "radiation", "quantum theory" "black holes" etc are totally meaningless to them especially if they have studied in a non-English medium school.

How do you disperse scientific knowledge in as broad a way as possible among your citizens if they don't understand the language of science?

The answer is not to submit to the cultural imperialism of English, because that will mean that in due time, Indian languages will become irrelevant since English will become the most important language and it will become unnecessary to learn multiple vernacular languages.

This is such an important issue, that when I think about it, I'm flabbergasted how the stalwarts of Indian politics post independence didn't realize the implications of their muddled language policies.

 

[illusion8]

Pakistani's are one of the biggest illegal immigrant/ asylum seeker community in the world. 80% of Pakistani's in the western countries and Australia are illegal immigrants. It is but obvious they will act as Indians or other South Asians.

Illegal immigrant leaves Pakistan mission in soup

Illegal immigrants: 57 deported Pakistanis escape from Islamabad airport – The Express Tribune

2 Recent press reports have drawn attention to significant numbers of fraudulent students from Pakistan. An examination of workers remittances shows that they are now more than six times higher than in 2001 while, according to the Labour Force Survey, the number of Pakistani workers in Britain has risen by only 67%. This is illustrated in the following graph:
MigrationWatchUK

At least seven chartered flights have been sent to Pakistan carrying 350 to 400 of Pakistanis whose pleas to remain in the UK have been refused.
Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

Pakistan's embassy in Athens has been warned by authorities in Islamabad of some 10,000 illegal immigrants being moved to Greece and Italy via Turkey by a criminal network colluding with corrupt officials, a press report said Monday.
PAKISTAN WARNS GREECE OF 10,000 ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Go outside and ask anyone the name of Pakistan they will call you terrorist ..

In Australia just not Indians but all Asians were targeted..

Survival mode?

well as for as i know in countries such as austrailia indians are attacked not pakistani.while for survival they might opt to be a pakistani.who knows

 

[A chauhan]

Survival mode?

well as for as i know in countries such as austrailia indians are attacked not pakistani.

As attack victims have stated the attacks on Indians in Australia were merely "street-violence", they were not attacked because they were "terrorists" nor they were pre-planned attacks.

while for survival they might opt to be a pakistani.who knows

Never, no one is ready to experience the extreme misery, currently they only being attacked but if they opt to be Pakistani they will be murdered/prosecuted like a terrorist.

 

[Decklander]

Indian students get attacked in Australia for loot and money. They are the most monied students in australia with best gizmos in hand. The local thugs target them for making quick buck.

 

[sesha_maruthi27]

on one even if you bring the whole history to a pakistan.he won't believe that he has any linked with india or indian origin.

while here you guys say they call themselves indians.

Are you a fool. Your Ex-President General Pervez Musharaf was born in Delhi and when he visited India he went to see his house and also the old lady who was taking care of him. You must be a fool to say that you don't have any links with INDIA........

First know your country's history, it was an integral part of INDIA before 1947.........

Don't day dream in another world.......

 

[ersakthivel]

Your entire post is completely irrelevant. Education is a state matter, hence every state should have made it compulsory for higher education in their own language.

Of course, none of the state leaders had the vision or the pride in their own language to implement this kind of policy. That is one of the major reasons why India is so backward in terms of science and technology. The biggest hurdle that a common man has to overcome when tackling everyday problems is that the entire body of scientific literature in India is in English. If that person's education up to 12th std has been in a non-English medium school, in order to embark on any serious research, he first has to familiarize himself with the English language-no small task considering it takes many years for a person to become fluent in a language. At the same time, he has to navigate a labyrinth of scientific terms that make no sense to him whatsoever since they aren't related and haven't originated from his native language.

Anyone who's every taken advanced biology classes in 11th or 12th or become a doctor will know that the terminology involved is terribly cumbersome and one has to memorize the words, phrases and idioms used in medical science because they don't have any link to everyday language. Same thing applies to engineering terms. They have no equivalents in Indian languages. While an engineer in the US might easily be able to explain scientific concepts to a farmer who is concerned about a nuclear plant coming up in his town, an Indian engineer will be at a loss to explain it to an Indian farmer because they simply don't speak the same language!

This absence of scientific terminology and scientific culture in vernacular languages has other, deeper and more troublesome consequences. When a documentary about space comes on TV in India, children have a hard time understanding it because words like "radiation", "quantum theory" "black holes" etc are totally meaningless to them especially if they have studied in a non-English medium school.

How do you disperse scientific knowledge in as broad a way as possible among your citizens if they don't understand the language of science?

The answer is not to submit to the cultural imperialism of English, because that will mean that in due time, Indian languages will become irrelevant since English will become the most important language and it will become unnecessary to learn multiple vernacular languages.

This is such an important issue, that when I think about it, I'm flabbergasted how the stalwarts of Indian politics post independence didn't realize the implications of their muddled language policies.

O.K.There are more than 15 regional languages in india with each is being spoken as their mother tongue by roughly about 30 to 50 miliion each.

Say people in bangalore take engineering in kannada which is their native tongue,people in chennai take engineering studies in chennai with tamil as a medium of instrucion.How are they going to work in a L&T factory in mumbai as a team and how will they communicate their ideas?

SO a guy in chennai publishes a complex path breaking technical paper in tamil.950 million indians don't know tamil.How will it percolate allover india?

The state of india is 70 percent of indians have to learn another language besides their mother tongue to communicate with each other.So it better be english rather than the hindi which is spoken by only 30 percent of indians as mother tongue .

Just imagine the volatile situation in the early 70s when hindi was introduced in tN and language movements were fanning wild fire.Often the leaders of these movements stuck a chord in regional language speaking populace by saying the 30 percent hindi mother tongue speakers will corner all the government jobs and technical field.

A democratic mass movement leader like NHERU recognized it and quickly re organized india along regional language line with autonomous regional units using the same the regional language as mother tongue and declared a 3 language policy of hindi, english, regional language and diffused the fire called language chauvinism. .

A wee bit of wrong handling and the idea of india would have been evaporated long back

If 70 percent of indians have to learn another language to excel in engineering why cant the remaining 30 percent hindi speakers learn english and as a billion people we all can connect globally to the world at large.

I too studied in tamil medium and lot of my batch mates studied in tamil medium in engineering college, now every one is in US speaking fluent english,of course the first year in the college was like hell.But we all made it through and secured first class and got placed all over india in reputable institutions intervieved by kannada, hindi mother tongue guys.

SO the system works somehow not a perfect solution , but a politically accepted solution that didnt flame the wild fire of separatism as it did in east pakistan and tamil speaking areas of sri lanka.

Especially during the 1950s political situation in indain sub continent was so explosive , so the indian leaders choose wisely ,the srilankans and pakistani leaders didin't do it and they reaped a bitter harvest in the guise of separatism based on language which blew them apart.
If the indian decision was so wrong how was india with english as link language able to launch civilian rockets and military missiles and nuclear missile carrrying nuclear submarines?

The indian supreme court functions in english and is one of the most respected independent supreme courts in the media.
Also the indian media has many tongues but id does it's job well as any single language system in the west.

The relative backwardness of india with relation to new liberated third world countries like taiwan and korea is we followed the soviet type economic model,once economic liberalism happened in the late 90s initiated by former PM NARASHIMA RAO india consistently had a good growth rate.That's all.

IMHO indian leaders made the wisest choice.

 

[Blackwater]

Are you a fool. Your Ex-President General Pervez Musharaf was born in Delhi and when he visited India he went to see his house and also the old lady who was taking care of him. You must be a fool to say that you don't have any links with INDIA........

First know your country's history, it was an integral part of INDIA before 1947.........

Don't day dream in another world.......

:cool2::cool2:

 

[Tronic]

Survival mode?

well as for as i know in countries such as austrailia indians are attacked not pakistani.while for survival they might opt to be a pakistani.who knows

You think the folks attacking the brown skinned folks know if the person is Indian or Pakistani? There are three main reasons why attacks on Pakistanis are not big news. 1.) Australia and other Western countries do not give visas to a large number of Pakistani international students as they give to Indians, 2.)Pakistani media is not as large as Indian media to keep tabs on Pakistanis living in all these western countries., and 3.) If and when the Pakistani media do make some noise; like they did before the London Olympics that England was deporting a large number of Pakistani students, no one in England actually gave a shit. When Indian media made noise about Indians being attacked in Australia, it became an international affair with Australian foreign minister and PM directly engaging and trying to placate the Indian government and Indian PM. Pakistan is not important enough for other governments to care about what noise the Pakistani media is making. Sad reality.

 

[Bangalorean]

You think the folks attacking the brown skinned folks know if the person is Indian or Pakistani? There are three main reasons why attacks on Pakistanis are not big news. 1.) Australia and other Western countries do not give visas to a large number of Pakistani international students as they give to Indians, 2.)Pakistani media is not as large as Indian media to keep tabs on Pakistanis living in all these western countries., and 3.) If and when the Pakistani media do make some noise; like they did before the London Olympics that England was deporting a large number of Pakistani students, no one in England actually gave a shit. When Indian media made noise about Indians being attacked in Australia, it became an international affair with Australian foreign minister and PM directly engaging and trying to placate the Indian government and Indian PM. Pakistan is not important enough for other governments to care about what noise the Pakistani media is making. Sad reality.

Well said. Pakis like farhaaan still think that Pakistan and India are in the same league. They will know true happiness only when the recognize and accept their country's diplomatic stature internationally.

 

[ersakthivel]

Apropos the red part, didn't India give Pakistan a lot of money to get started, which Pakistan never paid back?

I would hardly call it starting off as equals. I agree with the rest.

For the blue part, that was indeed hilarious Ray Sir.

Well you should google out and find what they teach their kids in school,Their common historical and cultural links with india are all blacked out.All common heritage with india is blocked out, what they teach is hate propaganda not history.

Contrast that with the kind of balanced history we are taught here.We studied ancient history from MOURIYA kingdoms to great moghul emperors like AKBAR , and even the post partition riot is not covered deeply , so as to avoid sowing discard among communities.

During those great GUPTA and MOURIYA periods through out the 1st to 10th century and thousands of years before that,they were all as much inheritors of common historical ,religious,language and cultural bonds that we indian share among themselves.And their forefathers who lived in the territory they now call pakistan, suffered the most gruesome fate ,facing the brunt of invading hordes of central asian muslim despots.

Sadly their history celebrates the central asian despots like GAURI and GHAZANVI who fought with and killed their forefathers and raped and pillaged their whole community and looted their precious treasures.I feel aghast when they name their missiles on these very despots.

I read in broadsword blog about a conversation ajai shukla had with a high ranking official pakistani high commisioner in New Delhi. He is said to have indicated the gesture riding on the horse and said that all pakistanis are the descendents of the victorious central afganistan invaders(In reality they were all barbarians raised in semi desert areas forever oogling at the fertile indo-gangatic plains) and they have nothing in common with their indain counterparts.

Well, then imagine what the ordinary pakistani will think of it?When a supposedly high ranking(that too an officer in a diplomatic mission in a sensitive country) holds such views imbibed with superiority complex.

 

[Virendra]

well as for as i know in countries such as austrailia indians are attacked not pakistani.while for survival they might opt to be a pakistani.who knows

Common sensical. Small time thugs don't have the cojones to attack bad boys. Indians who mind their own business are easy targets.
There is no rocket science needed to separate grain from the chaff.
By the way, two Indians in late 40s have been killed in US in the past few days. One was the guy pushed in front of Metro and another has been found as shot dead.