Discussion in 'West Asia & Africa' started by rock127, Sep 27, 2017.
Majority is Islam but there are Jewish, Yeizidi, christian and Zoro minority
Kurds have record to torture Yezidi , christian and other minorities include muslim minorities in their area , being liberal have nothing to do with "right of nation"...
Autonomous Kurdistan one of the debt ridden area of Iraq where not ruling class want different state so that they can written off those debt and reset everything ....also capability of peshmerga is overrated , unlike Iraqi army they don't have to face ethnic classes within army during ISIS push , also with US air support and help of US special forces they capture many crucial turning points ....
Better Iraq keep them , otherwise it will be another unstable client state of superpowers
Proposed Kurdistan Geography!
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i think they should continue as an autonomous region until the various regions of packland have been liberated ....... consider if iran loses a considerable area to the kurds, then balouchistan liberation would be opposed by iran ...if otoh we bargain with iran that we will help in liberation of kalat state and not sistan- baloch ( iranian side ) then we get their toleration .... by india not supporting an independent kurdistan
so it is a bargain from us to both iran and turkey that we will not support an independent kurdistan in return we get iranian tacit approval for liberation of state of kalat not including sistan area and from turkey we get their support of us in lkachmir
if they do not co-operate with us on these issues then no reason for us not to support a completely independent kurdistan
so it is an offer of a deal .....
meanwhile kurds will not suffer as they already have real autonomy and run their own schools and other institutions
plus bear in mind they are not sufi muslim but possibly hardcore sunni ....right now there is some freedom eg at this time women are not forces to wear burkhas because they have to still play to international community ....but one they get independence then they will need saudi financial help and the story will change ...plus once their imams get real madrassas these will again add pressure to islamise and the usual calls to women to dress appropraitely etc etc etc
..........best solution is clinch this deal with iran and turks ....we dont not support kurds , they in return turn their heads away when we need to liberate the state of kalat
Diplomatic support of weak states like Turkey or Iran ( who are both international pariah right now) doesn't mean much.
Kurdistan independence actually makes them even weaker. That is good for us . A divided Turkey (20 % Kurds ) won't dare raise voice on Kashmir anyway. And a divided Iran will depend more on India then ever before.
We must support Kurdistan it is a gift for us . It weakens Turkey Iran and Iraq simultaneously . By contrast our power and size becomes much more stronger.
Baloochistan is anyway dead in water because of low population. Let Kurds have a better life . Turkey are our enemy and Iran needs a lesson in humility. Kurdistan must be supported . Israel will remember our support for Kurdistan too.
Let's go for real benefits not conceptual ones.
main point is the possibility and probability that we will drive iran towards packland because of the scare value that pack can play to iran about sistan-Baluchistan .....
i am aware that internationally iran is nothing but being next to pak then the probability that i raised becomes a reality ...
....that they will join with pak out of fear and turn against us
is a reality and not a concept on paper only
but thanks for your comments , they are well written
yes agree fully
and this is in addition to driving iran closer to packland which cannot be what we wanted
but finally the main question is do they have resources that the usa would love to get its hands on ? ..... that will determine the final reality whether the usa feels they shd get independence so that usa can get in there and do their usual
if your info above is accurate , then that clinches it
what israel usa wants they get dont they ? .... rest of world just nods heads accordingly
and this in addition to the resources considerations as i raised above ...
well said !
To get Turkey to give up land for Kurdistan would mean civil war in Turkey.
Seems like USA wants Turkey weakened but Turkey being a member of nato is hindrance to that. If inspite of being a nato member, USA supports Kurdistan in Turkey, that will put doubts in the minds of already unhappy members of nato.
Russia and Iran will not support Kurd independence.
And obviously neither will Iraq.
Primary supporters will be the USA and Israel to weaken Iran and Turkey and destabilize Syria.
This might bring traditional enemies Iran and Turkey closer to each other and also to Russia and distantly to China.
Nope, almost ask all Kurds are Muslims Sunni with negligible minorities.
The Zoroastrians you talk about are in Iran
Pak will remain a Sunni land and Iran will remember that. Iran needs India to have influence in Afghanistan to buy it's oil against USA sanctions or Saudi oil .
Pakistan has nothing to offer .
Anyway Kurds have to decide for themselves first. I don't think they will back down now . Iraq is almost stateless and so is Syria. Turks have no powerful friends left now . Israel and usa deep state want an independent Kurdistan .
An independent secular Kurdistan will become next USA client state aka Israel. An Israel Kurdistan alliance will control most of middle East in the future. That will be good for us .
And you are welcome. Your comments are always thoughtful too.
It will happen slowly . Right now Kurds are only demanding independence in Iraqi part where Iraq anyway has no functional state or authority. Once that happens turkey Kurds will start separation . Russia might actually like to see a broken turkey. Turkey is no ally of Russia. Right now Europe and USA are angry with turkey so it's tilting too Russia. Majority Turks still dreaming to be part of EU. Russia knows this.
Indian government won't openly show much support, otherwise there would be demands for referendum in Kashmir.
free Iraqi kurdistan would have a domino effect in the region...I want Iraqi air force to hell out of the fake peshmerga and use it's combat experience against ISIS to deal these insurgent....Let see how these faker gonna face blockhead from all 4 side ...
What do you mean by "fake peshmerga"??
That will mean more of civil war and may lead to resurgence of isis in syria and iraq. Btw the silence of Sunni countries particularly KSA is amusing. Are they in suuport of Kurds. I believe Saudis will be opposed to independent Kurds. The new Kurd nation will need total and open US support to survive in the long haul. Everybody does not become Israel overnight to be able to face enemies from all sides.
I don't like the hype and propaganda around the organization...."against all odd" peshmerga fight with US-NATO air support , billions of arm free weaponry and ammunition ....while their masters cries everywhere for "poor" kurds they involve in genocide of their own...faker....waiting for them to support "similar" cause in kashmir and adding another vote to anti-India ummah is pathetic...
KSA have no problem as long as anystuff counter it's pan-islamic leadership, Kurds can hart ego of both Turkey ( self-proclaimed leader of Turk nation) and Iran ( Shia leader)....
I support kurdistan, an independent country means more revolutions and more groups fight for there country in middle east . I see only dilution in umma ie more infighting and differences.
We can split balouch en sindh and kurdistan can become inspiration to them. That means arms struggle inside pakistan , all we have to do is arrange supply of weapons.
Officially India dont need to announce support to kurdistan publicly. We can do it covertly as a nam country .
Some one said Indian support to kurdistan will raise doubts on kashmir? As if oic already don't support seperatists kashmir.
So its an opportunity for India if kurdistan forms with out much efforts. After that sitting in dark room , we can raise inspiration for more lala countries.
Which reduces there power to control terrorists as weapons against other countries significantly because there bushes are on real fire. All the napakis can do is licking there wounds keeping aside there global terror business.
on the pesmerga Orbat as stated by Wikipedia
As of January 2017, the peshmerga forces are still divided among three entities: the Ministry of Peshmerga Affairs, KDP, and PUK.
The units under command of the Ministry of Peshmerga:
14 Regional Guard Brigades (RGB) are under the command of the ministry of peshmerga: 42,000 fighters.
Êzîdxan Protection Force HPÊ, led by Haydar Shesho: 4000 fighters
Shingal commandment led by Qasem Shesho (Yazidis): 10,000 fighters
The units under command of the KDP politburo, unofficially called Yakray 80:
80 Force units, technically part of Peshmarga ministry: 58,000 fighters.
Zeravani units, administratively supported by the Ministry of the Interior: 51,000 fighters.
The units under command of the PUK politburo, unofficially called Yakray 70:
70 Force units, technically part of Peshmarga ministry: 56,000 fighters.
Defense emergency force, technically under the ministry of interior of KRG: 10,000 fighters
By forming Kurdistan, they are likely to make Turkey and Iran very made. Some Kuds live in Turkey and Iran.
But this is reward for helping to defeat ISIS. They did a fine job except at the behest of Turkey, the Kurds did not get all the military aid e.g. Artillery, air weapons etc.
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