Kashmir has no desire to become another Kabul

[Tronic]

The real questions should be.

Q1. If this is complete freedom struggle why is there no stone pelting and cry for freedom in PoK?

Becase POK is divided into 2 areas.

1.) So called "Azad Kashmir" is actually not Kashmir. Mirpur and surrounding areas are Punjabi, not Kashmiri. These districts were part of Punjab until 1846 when they were annexed and transferred to Kashmir by the British after the first Anglo-Sikh war. Simple game of divide and rule. So called "Azad Kashmiris" are not Kashmiris at all, but Punjabis. So it is no surprise they wish to be with Pakistan, they are the same people! These Mirpuri Punjabis want to use this and their tag of "Kashmiri" to link themselves to the Koshuri people of Indian Kashmir just to drag them into Pakistan aswell.

2.) Gilgit revolted against the Kashmiri king in 1947. Gilgit Scouts, the ethnic Gilgit armed unit of the than Kashmiri state revolted against their king, Pakistan took advantage and invaded Kashmir in the guise of assisting the revolt of the Gilgit Scouts. Since than Gilgit went from one king to another, this one sitting in Islamabad. This is the part of Pakistani held Kashmir where the greatest call for independence is arising. Pakistan has done enough to suppress their voice, not allowing these people any rights to form parties or even allow them slightest self rule. Gilgit for decades had been ruled directly from Islamabad. These chaps have, as per Pakistan, been given some autonomy now; but the voices from within Gilgit-Baltistan say otherwise. Google up the political movements in Gilgit and Baltistan to learn more.

Q2. Why is there no voice against Pakistan gifting part of Kashmir(Akshi Chin) to China?

Minorities get suppressed. This entity of Jammu and Kashmir upto Gilgit only came into being due to Maharaja Ranjit Singh. The Koshuri people of Kashmir are different from the people of Jammu and "Azad Kashmir" (people of Jammu and Azad Kashmir and pretty much the same except for following different religions), people of Gilgit are different from the Koshuri people, Bhuddist/Tibetans of Eastern Kashmir are different than the rest, and so on and so fourth. The state of "J&K" was an artificial construct. Therefore, call it unawareness or lack of interest, all of Kashmir never had one voice, nor does it today.

 

[mayfair]

Becase POK is divided into 2 areas.

1.) So called "Azad Kashmir" is actually not Kashmir. Mirpur and surrounding areas are Punjabi, not Kashmiri. These districts were part of Punjab until 1846 when they were annexed and transferred to Kashmir by the British after the first Anglo-Sikh war. Simple game of divide and rule. So called "Azad Kashmiris" are not Kashmiris at all, but Punjabis. So it is no surprise they wish to be with Pakistan, they are the same people! These Mirpuri Punjabis want to use this and their tag of "Kashmiri" to link themselves to the Koshuri people of Indian Kashmir just to drag them into Pakistan aswell.

The state of Jammu and Kashmir is more that Kashmir valley. It includes several regions and it does not matter if Mirpur was annexed into the territory only after 1846. As it stood in 1947, Mirpur, Muzaffarabad etc were a part of the princely state of J&K. Himachal and Haryana were a part of Punjab as late as 1960s so it does not mean that the people living there are Punjabis even now. They are not. Secondly, Mirpur forms only one of the seven districts in the part of PoK referred to as AJK. The remaining six districts did not have a significant Punjabi speaking population in 1947. The Punjabi settlers were brought in from outside and planted in these regions. A large number of Sikh and Hindu Mirpuris were massacred by the Prokis and they surely did not think of joining Pakistan.

2.) Gilgit revolted against the Kashmiri king in 1947. Gilgit Scouts, the ethnic Gilgit armed unit of the than Kashmiri state revolted against their king, Pakistan took advantage and invaded Kashmir in the guise of assisting the revolt of the Gilgit Scouts. Since than Gilgit went from one king to another, this one sitting in Islamabad. This is the part of Pakistani held Kashmir where the greatest call for independence is arising. Pakistan has done enough to suppress their voice, not allowing these people any rights to form parties or even allow them slightest self rule. Gilgit for decades had been ruled directly from Islamabad. These chaps have, as per Pakistan, been given some autonomy now; but the voices from within Gilgit-Baltistan say otherwise. Google up the political movements in Gilgit and Baltistan to learn more.

It was the Giglit scouts who revolted, a revolt instigated by the British Major William Brown supported by Pakistani regular, irregulars and Chitral scouts. The aim was to secure a British outpost in Central Asia in the guise of freedom for Gilgit-Baltistan from Dogra rule. Pakistan was only too happy to grant that. No surprise that Brown was awarded a Sitara-e-Pakistan for his contribution. There's little evidence to suggest that Gilgit people were supportive or opposed to this revolt.

Minorities get suppressed. This entity of Jammu and Kashmir upto Gilgit only came into being due to Maharaja Ranjit Singh. The Koshuri people of Kashmir are different from the people of Jammu and "Azad Kashmir" (people of Jammu and Azad Kashmir and pretty much the same except for following different religions), people of Gilgit are different from the Koshuri people, Bhuddist/Tibetans of Eastern Kashmir are different than the rest, and so on and so fourth. The state of "J&K" was an artificial construct. Therefore, call it unawareness or lack of interest, all of Kashmir never had one voice, nor does it today.

The state of Jammu and Kashmir as it existed in 1947 was an amalgamation of different ethnicities, religions and languages. All nation states as they exists today are artificial constructs. Today the valley tossers claim to speak for the entire state and that's something which should never be allowed to succeed.

 

[Ray]

One should read the book "Gilgit Before 1947" by Brigadier Ghansara Singh, the last Governor of Gilgit. I had the good fortune to have met him in 1984 when I was ordered to give a Presentation on Indo Pak Kashmir Wars.

More on the Gilgit issue and Brown's revolt and treachery are here:

DOGRA GOVERNOR ARRESTED

Himalayan frontiers of India ... - Google Books

 

[Tshering22]

The thing is, there is no "Kashmir issue". It only becomes an issue if we acknowledge it to be so for Pakistan's sake. Once we refute it, assert our history, indigenous faith of Kashmir, ancient cultural links (which happen to be mainstream hindu and Buddhist by essence), the entire language of Kashmir (emerging from Sanskrit) etc at a global scale, give a voice to the Kashmiri pandits with state funds, they shall be able to tell better whether this issue is really an issue or not.

But then again, its a votebank government that doesn't see the glory of a state and ready to even deal with the enemy rather than unite and sync the entire country as one body.

 

[sant]

Kashmir is part of Bigger JK state.Jammu and laddack are simply sidelined by local government to satisfy their vested interest. Crush local separatist movement like hurriyat conference with iron hand.Ours is the only country where separate-st leaders can meet with a hostile country . SHAME . Build rehabilitation for local kashmiries who are displaced. should allow other indians to settle there.

 

[Tronic]

The state of Jammu and Kashmir is more that Kashmir valley. It includes several regions and it does not matter if Mirpur was annexed into the territory only after 1846. As it stood in 1947, Mirpur, Muzaffarabad etc were a part of the princely state of J&K. Himachal and Haryana were a part of Punjab as late as 1960s so it does not mean that the people living there are Punjabis even now. They are not.

Punjabis are Punjabi due to the language they speak, not which border they fall within. Himachal and Haryana were divided from Punjab because they were not Punjabi speaking. Mirpuris are Punjabi speaking. They are not ethnic "Kashmiris" but Punjabis; or rather, if you don't like that term, Gujjars, Dogras, Rajputs, Jats, Tarkhans, and other indic Punjabi clans, but not ethnic Koshuri Kashmiris.

Secondly, Mirpur forms only one of the seven districts in the part of PoK referred to as AJK. The remaining six districts did not have a significant Punjabi speaking population in 1947. The Punjabi settlers were brought in from outside and planted in these regions. A large number of Sikh and Hindu Mirpuris were massacred by the Prokis and they surely did not think of joining Pakistan.

All of the Pir Panjal range was part of Punjab before the British arrival. I only gave you example of Mirpur as Mirpuris constitute one of the largest sections of people in "Azad Kashmir".

Also, The "Punjabi settlers" are none other than Mirpuris. Now earlier you were saying they are not Punjabis but Kashmiris since they fall within Kashmir's borders. So now you must decide are those Mirpuris Punjabis or Kashmiris? Because if Kashmiris, than really there is no such thing as "Punjabi settlers" (none are migrating from Punjabi mainland) only "Kashmiri" Mirpuris moving from one part of Kashmir to another, right?

Oh, and yes, those Sikh and Hindu Mirpuris were massacred by none other than Muslim Mirpuris, but you still have yet to decide whether those Muslim Mirpuris (who are the majority on those lands) constitute "Pakistanis" or not.

It was the Giglit scouts who revolted, a revolt instigated by the British Major William Brown supported by Pakistani regular, irregulars and Chitral scouts. The aim was to secure a British outpost in Central Asia in the guise of freedom for Gilgit-Baltistan from Dogra rule. Pakistan was only too happy to grant that. No surprise that Brown was awarded a Sitara-e-Pakistan for his contribution. There's little evidence to suggest that Gilgit people were supportive or opposed to this revolt.

That is true, at best, the people of Gilgit were indifferent to wider national boundaries. Ofcourse that has changed over the decades.

The state of Jammu and Kashmir as it existed in 1947 was an amalgamation of different ethnicities, religions and languages. All nation states as they exists today are artificial constructs. Today the valley tossers claim to speak for the entire state and that's something which should never be allowed to succeed.

lol. Thats the main point. The concern is not about the people of the valley, it is about those so called "Kashmiri" Mirpuri Punjabis. They go abroad, call themselves Kashmiris, and start up organizations harping about Kashmir's freedom from India. Go to UK or US, and see all the founders of these Kashmiri groups are Punjabi Mirpuris (so called "Kashmiris") not real ethnic Kashmiris.

To put things in perspective for you, it is akin to the people of Jammu (Pakistanis of "Azad Kashmir" are ethnically of the same stock as the people of Jammu) starting up groups on Kashmir and pretending to be the voice for all of Kashmir. This is what the Pakistani Punjabis have done effectively, gone around the world posing themselves as Kashmiris.

 

[Tshering22]

Kashmir is part of Bigger JK state.Jammu and laddack are simply sidelined by local government to satisfy their vested interest. Crush local separatist movement like hurriyat conference with iron hand.Ours is the only country where separate-st leaders can meet with a hostile country . SHAME . Build rehabilitation for local kashmiries who are displaced. should allow other indians to settle there.

Ditto. And unfortunately our countrymen are so dumb and pathetic that they appreciate this as "walking the extra mile". Especially those wannabe fence-sitting liberal variety dodos sitting in metropolitan cities like Mumbai and Delhi (Example Medha Patkar, Arundhati Roy varieties, Gautam Navlakha types).

 

[Pakistani Nationalist]

io-Kashmir will be free one day n a part of Pakistan...Heck even now we have 1.4 refugees from iok.... The blood of innocent Kashmiri brothers n sisters wont go wasted...

"Sarfaroshi ki tamana ab hamaray dil mein hai

Dekhna hai zoor kitna bazo-e-qatil mein hai"

 

[mayfair]

Now I am convinced that the concept of irony is truly lost on some.

 

[Tronic]

io-Kashmir will be free one day n a part of Pakistan...Heck even now we have 1.4 refugees from iok.... The blood of innocent Kashmiri brothers n sisters wont go wasted...

The blood spilled of innocent Kashmiris and the lives destroyed by the violence there is already being avenged. Look at Pakistan's haalat today. Allah leaves no evil deed unpunished.

"Sarfaroshi ki tamana ab hamaray dil mein hai

Dekhna hai zoor kitna bazo-e-qatil mein hai"

Amen, and godspeed to the Baloch!

 

[maomao]

io-Kashmir will be free one day n a part of Pakistan...Heck even now we have 1.4 refugees from iok.... The blood of innocent Kashmiri brothers n sisters wont go wasted...

"Sarfaroshi ki tamana ab hamaray dil mein hai

Dekhna hai zoor kitna bazo-e-qatil mein hai"

LOL hahahhahahahhahahaha this is what you people are taught in you MAD-rasas.....BTW POK will go East pakistan way with only one difference it will be under Indian banner!!

You know where you people stand, and still talk about Kashmir; save your country from disintegration by muslims first, you are a despicable "Bankrupt" nation of thugs, and nothing more....how u gonna liberate Kashmir with your rag-tag surrendering coward pakistani army which works only for Dollars!! Moreover, knowing your state of affairs and economic beggary we can only laugh on your delusion and mass-dementia......Happy (further) disintegration!!

 

[The Messiah]

io-Kashmir will be free one day n a part of Pakistan...Heck even now we have 1.4 refugees from iok.... The blood of innocent Kashmiri brothers n sisters wont go wasted...

"Sarfaroshi ki tamana ab hamaray dil mein hai

Dekhna hai zoor kitna bazo-e-qatil mein hai"

take your gun and jump into the circus going on in karachi. your brothers and sisters will give you a nice greeting :thumb:

 

[Tshering22]

io-Kashmir will be free one day n a part of Pakistan...Heck even now we have 1.4 refugees from iok.... The blood of innocent Kashmiri brothers n sisters wont go wasted...

"Sarfaroshi ki tamana ab hamaray dil mein hai

Dekhna hai zoor kitna bazo-e-qatil mein hai"

Please save whatever is left of your country first before getting Zaid Hamid Syndromes... if you can call it a country that is...

 

[The Messiah]

Please save whatever is left of your country first before getting Zaid Hamid Syndromes... if you can call it a country that is...

Id rather they keep on concentrating on us while they tear themselves apart.

 

[pmaitra]

io-Kashmir will be free one day n a part of Pakistan...Heck even now we have 1.4 refugees from iok.... The blood of innocent Kashmiri brothers n sisters wont go wasted...

"Sarfaroshi ki tamana ab hamaray dil mein hai

Dekhna hai zoor kitna bazo-e-qatil mein hai"

LOL hahahhahahahhahahaha this is what you people are taught in you MAD-rasas.....BTW POK will go East pakistan way with only one difference it will be under Indian banner!!

You know where you people stand, and still talk about Kashmir; save your country from disintegration by muslims first, you are a despicable "Bankrupt" nation of thugs, and nothing more....how u gonna liberate Kashmir with your rag-tag surrendering coward pakistani army which works only for Dollars!! Moreover, knowing your state of affairs and economic beggary we can only laugh on your delusion and mass-dementia......Happy (further) disintegration!!

If you ask the people in Gilgit-Baltistan, their hearts and minds are already with India. Pakistan sensed that long ago, that is why they invited soldiers from PRC to prevent a rebellion.