Karna's grasp of Dharma

[Sakal Gharelu Ustad]

Go ---- yourself



No need to get offended by obscene words

You may disagree with the person, but modestly is always a good virtue. You don't have to become Duryodhan to beat Duryodhan.

 

[Mad Indian]

You may disagree with the person, but modestly is always a good virtue. You don't have to become Duryodhan to beat Duryodhan.

While you are right, who said I want to engage with their likes in the first place?

 

[Sakal Gharelu Ustad]

While you are right, who said I want to engage with their likes in the first place?

Then in case you ever engage!

 

[Singh]

Your post proves nothing and the point remains:

1) Don't give stupid word that bring calamity to human kind

2) He gave ego massage to Duryodhan for whole life even though Duryodhan helped him personally.

Do you hold Manmohan in high esteem since he played as a pawn in the last government? Karna too was powerful enough to take dharmic decision and not support Duryodhan for all stupid beliefs.

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Mahabharata happened so long ago, that some now believe it to be a "myth". But the man is mortal his glory as a result of his actions make him immortal.

Would anyone even care if Kauravas and Pandavas had divided the kingdom and lived happily ever after ?

Mahabharata was pre-ordained. It had to happen. It was a momentous and glorious occasion for the various gods and goddesses to incarnate on earth and act out this glorious and never before seen spectacle on mother earth.

So there is no point in debating scenarios where this epic would not be required.

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Now coming to the topic of Karna

How could this son of Surya, who blazed with all the glorious qualities of his father, the same Surya who is considered the ancestors of all Kshatriya, be contained and persuaded to abandon the course of a true Kshatriya ?

And Karna befriended no ordinary man in Duryodhana but the King of the most powerful and illustrious Kingdom of Bharat-varsha. In fact thanks to Duryodhana, Karna has been immortalized and his true Kshatriya character come to light.

Kshatriyas prove their mettle in fights. And Arjuna required Hanuman, Vishnuavatar Krishna, deceit, promises and curses to win over this brave and powerful son of Surya who fought with chivalry.

Karna should've accepted Pandavas, Kunti and Draupadi ? People who had abandoned him, cursed him, insulted him and killed his first born ? Karna shouldn't not have given his word to Duryodhana , Kunti, or armour to Indra ? What was the glory in that ?
The fact that he did what he did is what makes him a timeless "hero".

 

[Singh]

While you are right, who said I want to engage with their likes in the first place?

A Contrarian PoV is necessary for debate whether you like the person making it or not. Often times I like the person making the contrarian PoV.

I personally don't care what you think of me and I am sure it goes both ways.

However, while on this forum it would be advisable for you to tone down on the nastiness. Your posts are increasingly becoming the sort that vitiate the atmosphere, I know you are not that kind of a poster and you have many people who look upto you. For their sake.

 

[hit&run]

I remember hearing one of the story from my grandfather's friends often visiting his clinic that during war lord Krishna praised Karna couple of time for pushing or overwhelming their chariot with shower of arrows about 3 yards back when Arjuna during his spell was throwing his chariot 7 yards back. It frustrated Arjuna and then crass Arjuna asked the lord the reason of his praise. The Lord told him that Karna is alone on an ordinary Chariot but you have weight of whole universe on your Chariot. Arjuna was told off; to get back and engage Karna before he kills scores of their men.

I mean Just a story.

 

[DingDong]

Shani kharab hai fir.

Mythology says that Shani is the Judge, he punishes people for their bad deeds in the same birth, this job is performed by Yama as well but the decision is postponed until death. Shani is never "kharab" if we agree with the Mythology, people who are made to suffer by Shani are "kharab".

 

[Singh]

Mythology says that Shani is the Judge, he punishes people for their bad deeds in the same birth, this job is performed by Yama as well but the decision is postponed until death. Shani is never "kharab" if we agree with the Mythology, people who are made to suffer by Shani are "kharab".

Shani, Yama and Karna all sons of Surya. Samjhe ?

 

[Mad Indian]

A Contrarian PoV is necessary for debate whether you like the person making it or not. Often times I like the person making the contrarian PoV.

I personally don't care what you think of me and I am sure it goes both ways.

However, while on this forum it would be advisable for you to tone down on the nastiness. Your posts are increasingly becoming the sort that vitiate the atmosphere, I know you are not that kind of a poster and you have many people who look upto you. For their sake.

Wth? What do you mean I vitiate the atmosphere. I dont suggest violence, I dont suggest anything inhuman. My stand has/is always been repay whatever you receive with interest(be it block voting, be it political patronage for conversions). That is all.

A Contrarian PoV is necessary for debate whether you like the person making it or not. Often times I like the person making the contrarian PoV.

I dont have problem with contrarian views, I have problem with hypocrites , who wont accept their wrongs, even if they cant logically support their stand

 

[kafir kaur]

@Singh @kafir kaur @Sakal Gharelu Ustad @Mad Indian Please go through this link. Karna is 'the best'

https://www.quora.com/What-are-some-lesser-known-stories-about-Karna

Again, stories written by karna fans to show how "mahaan" danveer he was ,which he was not obviously.
krishna may have lauded him as a warrior but never as a human being, never..he called karna a wretch soul and that bhumi devi will drink his blood.
please refer to this discussion on india forums for an unbiased view on this "over glorified hero" B R Chopra portrayal of Karna with reference to KMG | 4085281 | Mythological Masti Forum

 

[pmaitra]

Wth? What do you mean I vitiate the atmosphere. I dont suggest violence, I dont suggest anything inhuman. My stand has/is always been repay whatever you receive with interest(be it block voting, be it political patronage for conversions). That is all.

This is how you vitiate the atmosphere, and this also shows your lack of finesses in handling a debate.

Go ---- yourself



No need to get offended by obscene words

I dont have problem with contrarian views, I have problem with hypocrites , who wont accept their wrongs, even if they cant logically support their stand

I also have a problem with those that benefit from socialism and at the same time bash it.

It is no wonder why the word "quota" compels you to respond with the f-word.

Singh is too kind. I'd have booted you out of the thread.

 

[Mad Indian]

This is how you vitiate the atmosphere, and this also shows your lack of finesses in handling a debate.







I also have a problem with those that benefit from socialism and at the same time bash it.

It is no wonder why the word "quota" compels you to respond with the f-word.

Singh is too kind. I'd have booted you out of the thread.

Did you even go through the thread. I told him to get lost and I dont want to do anything with him and he was the one who provoked me calling me a coward. He was the one started this shit. But like agrees with like. So I get why you support him here. Is this not what usually happens here, someone provokes someone and when the person provoked responds back, he will be treated with infractions and warnings because the mod agrees with the first person?

 

[pmaitra]

Did you even go through the thread. He was the one started this shit. But like agrees with like. So I get it

I did go through enough posts that are relevant to my comment. My comment is not to debate about Karna, but to point out an example why people get infracted, and then come back after months to whine about "double standards."

Get back to topic, and keep the language civil.

 

[kafir kaur]

There is no "original sanskrit epic". She must've read the BORI one compiled in the 20the century.
Ganguly's version is not based on critical edition as it was written in the 19th century. And it is not very nuanced to put it mildly.

The only English translation of critical/BORI edition has been done by Bibek Debroy. I am not sure if all of it is published too.

yes u know better than people who studied the epic as a religious scripture and are well versed in it.
anyways i end discussion now, no point talking to you.
believe what you want to.

 

[Mad Indian]

I did go through enough posts that are relevant to my comment. My comment is not to debate about Karna, but to point out an example why people get infracted, and then come back after months to whine about "double standards."

Get back to topic, and keep the language civil.

So he calling me a coward is not meant to vitiate me or anything? Hypocrite.

 

[pmaitra]

@Mad Indian, you have not yet been infracted. How about make an effort to begin with a clean slate and keep it clean?

 

[Mad Indian]

@Mad Indian, you have not yet been infracted. How about make an effort to begin with a clean slate and keep it clean?

No no no no. I am not letting you get off the hook. He called me a coward first and did it repeatedly till I told him to ---- off. So was he right ? What he did was not vitiating me?

And btw, you starting this - giving me "proof" of how I vitiate the atmosphere - you made me respond.

 

[Singh]

@pmaitra

When pointed out his wrongdoing, he refused to accept it. And then used a brilliant piece of logic ie he started it, to support his stand.

....I dont have problem with contrarian views, I have problem with hypocrites , who wont accept their wrongs, even if they cant logically support their stand..

I guess that also makes him a "hypocrite".

 

[Mad Indian]

@pmaitra
When pointed out his wrongdoing, he refused to accept it. And then used a brilliant piece of logic ie he started it, to support his stand.
I guess that also makes him a "hypocrite".

Really and thats what exactly? I dont believe in cycles of birth and rebirths. And what logic can prove it exists? Dont use religion just for winning an argument. It makes you look pathetic

 

[pmaitra]

No no no no. I am not letting you get off the hook. He called me a coward first and did it repeatedly till I told him to ---- off. So was he right ? What he did was not vitiating me?

Sorry, you were being abusive and not him. That is how I see it.

Also, you are being dishonest in claiming your f-word was in response to the word "coward." No, it was not. It was in response to the word "quota."