Israel-Palestine Conflict

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  1. airtel

    airtel Senior Member Senior Member

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    You can add many items in the list .................but how many of them are controlling those lands ?

    Jews not only claiming that Land but they have occupied that Land .

    this will lead to fantastically devastating wars ?? (well they are ready to Fight wars ..............but who will fight with Israel ?? Israel is not Libya and there will be collateral damage )

    Europeans will send their Men & women to fight for Palestine ??

    Muslims will Fight with Nuclear power Israel ?

    Muslims can not use nuclear weapons against Israel (it will also destroy Al-Aqsa ) .

    but Israel can use them .

    Even in conventional wars it is extremely difficult to defeat Israel (example >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War ).

    so there will be no war ................just attacks by Hezbollah & Hamas (that is not effective ) .

    ^^^^^^^ and now add USA in the equation .............and all those UNSC resolutions are also irrelevant .

    practically You can not do anything ...........
     
  2. Tactical Frog

    Tactical Frog Senior Member Senior Member

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    It would be very easy for Europe to break Israel ' s bones applying the same kind of sanctions Europe is applying to Russia after Crimea. But that is not what Europe wants at this stage. And today is a very sad day for Israel since they lost many lives in a new terrorist attack in Jerusalem. I wish that every Israeli citizen could enjoy safety in a near future, through peace with their Palestinian neighbours, not war.
     
  3. airtel

    airtel Senior Member Senior Member

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    LOL ...............You are underestimating Israel & overestimating Europe .

    after 20th jan. they will get American support ..............and Your sanctions will be useless .

    Israel is a small country and they share same religious & cultural background ................you sanctions will make them More & more united ...............and create Hyper-nationalism .

    by the ways Germans are making submarines for Israel :rofl::rofl:

    ^ this shows Lack of unity among Europeans .

    there will be More terrorists attacks on Europeans in the future (because You are also infidel :))

    .........if You think Your support to Palestine or Your " refugees welcome " will change the mentality of Muslims then You are wrong .................Europeans should care about Europe instead of Palestine :daru::daru::daru:

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    Major powers will send a message to US President-elect Donald Trump on Sunday that a two-state solution between Israelis and Palestinians is the only way forward, and warn that his plan to move the US Embassy to Jerusalem could derail peace efforts.

    Some 70 countries, including key European and Arab states as well as the permanent members of the UN Security Council, are due in Paris for a meeting that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has rejected as “futile” and “rigged”. Neither the Israelis nor the Palestinians will be represented.

    But, just five days before Trump is sworn in, the conference provides a platform for countries to send a strong signal to the future American leader.

    Trump has pledged to pursue more pro-Israeli policies and move the US Embassy from Tel Aviv, where it has been for 68 years, to Jerusalem, all but enshrining the city as Israel’s capital despite international objections.

    “It would be a unilateral decision that could escalate tensions on the ground,” a senior French diplomat said.

    “Five days before he becomes president, it’s not negligible that 70 countries recall (the need for) a two-state solution when his administration could implement controversial measures that may aggravate things.”

    France has said the meeting does not intend to impose anything on Israel or the Palestinians and that, ultimately, only direct negotiations between the two can resolve the conflict.

    A draft communique seen by Reuters reaffirms existing international resolutions, urges both sides to restate their commitment to the two-state solution and disavow officials who reject it, and asks the protagonists to “refrain from unilateral steps that prejudge the outcome of final status negotiations”.

    Low point


    Diplomats said there could also be an allusion to Trump’s plans.

    Relations between the United States and Israel have soured during President Barack Obama’s administration, reaching a low point late last month when Washington declined to veto a UN resolution demanding an end to Israeli settlements in occupied territory.

    Obama’s secretary of state, John Kerry, said the settlement programme threatened Middle East peace, and that the two-state was in “serious jeopardy”.

    Palestinian President Authority Mahmoud Abbas said on Saturday that he had written to Trump warning that a move to Jerusalem would kill off the peace process and strip the United States of its role as honest broker - and could lead to the Palestinians going back on their recognition of Israel.

    Home to Europe’s largest Muslim and Jewish communities, France has tried to breathe new life into the peace process over the past year. It believes that, with the uncertainty surrounding how the next US administration will handle the issue, it is important to push the sides back to talks rather than allowing a fragile status quo to fester.

    But with elections coming up this year in France and Germany, and Britain appearing to align itself more closely with the Trump administration on the issue, the prospects of the European Union, the largest economic partner for both Israel and the Palestinians, taking a lead on the matter appear unlikely.

    Arab states have their own concerns about how Trump’s relationship with them will turn out, and have taken a cautious line.

    “All this is premature. We need to give the new US administration time to assess what they want to do,” said a Middle Eastern diplomat based in Paris.

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/world...-east-peace/story-1PuZaWLg4xoNjcseLczYRN.html
     
  5. F-14B

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    I say that trump has to call the European /arab bluff and shift to Jerusalem the USA embassy and hit double standards of European human rights
     
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    that is copied from Reuters
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    western countries are playing Good cop/bad cop :laugh::laugh::laugh:
     
  7. Tactical Frog

    Tactical Frog Senior Member Senior Member

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    Would be nice to have a poll among DFI members !

    A/ Jerusalem is the legitimate capital of Israel and should be recognized as such by India
    B / Tel Aviv shall remain the internanionally recognized capital of Israel until a two-states solution is reached
     
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  9. F-14B

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    if you ask me I believe that india should just derecognize Palestine (though it will course a lot of backlash against it from commies and certain minority) and recognize jurselam as the capital of the state of Israel
     
  10. Kshatriya87

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    Israel approves over 500 homes for settlers in East Jerusalem

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    CONSTRUCTION work is under way in the settlement of Ramot. Another settlement of Ramat Shlomo is seen in the background. The areas were seized and annexed to Jerusalem by Israel in 1967.—Reuters


    JERUSALEM: Israel approved building permits on Sunday for hundreds of homes in three East Jerusalem settlements, two days after US President Donald Trump took office, expecting him to row back on the last administration’s criticism of such projects.

    The housing projects, on land that the Palestinians seek as part of a future state, had been taken off the Jerusalem municipality’s agenda in December at the last minute at the request of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, in order to avoid further censure from the administration of Barack Obama.

    Israel’s right wing expects Trump’s attitude towards settlements built in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, areas Israel captured in a 1967 war, to be far more supportive than that of his predecessor.

    Hundreds of other units awaiting approval
    Jerusalem’s City Hall approved the building permits for more than 560 units in the urban settlements of Pisgat Zeev, Ramat Shlomo and Ramot, areas annexed to Jerusalem in a move unrecognised internationally.

    Meir Turgeman, the chairman of the municipality’s planning and building committee, told Israel Radio that the permits had been held up until the end of the Obama administration.

    “I was told to wait until Trump takes office because he has no problem with building in Jerusalem,” Turgeman said, adding there were hundreds more units waiting for approval.

    The Palestinians denounced the move. “We strongly condemn the Israeli decision to approve the construction,” Nabil Abu Rdainah, spokesman for Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, said.

    In its final weeks, the Obama administration angered the Israeli government by withholding a traditional US veto of an anti-settlement resolution at the United Nations Security Council, enabling the measure to pass.

    Trump’s nominee to be US ambassador to the United Nations, Nikki Haley, condemned the world body over its treatment of Israel at her Senate confirmation hearing on Wednesday.

    In a proposal that has drawn a Palestinian outcry, Trump has pledged to move the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.

    Israel sees all Jerusalem as its capital but most of the world does not, seeing its final status as a matter for peace negotiations. The Palestinians have said an embassy move would kill any prospect for peace. Negotiations broke down in 2014.

    Trump has also appointed a new US ambassador to Israel, David Friedman, who is considered a settlements supporter.

    Commentators in Israel have said it was too early to tell what Trump’s policy on these matters will actually be.

    Most countries consider settlement activity illegal and an obstacle to peace. Israel disagrees, citing a biblical, historical and political connection to the land — which the Palestinians also claim — as well as security interests.

    Published in Dawn, January 23rd, 2017
     
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    https://sg.news.yahoo.com/trump-recognize-jerusalem-israels-capital-020407713.html

    President Donald Trump will recognise Jerusalem as Israel's capital Wednesday, upending decades of careful US policy and ignoring dire warnings of a historic misstep that could trigger a surge of violence in the Middle East.

    A senior administration official said Trump would make the announcement -- ignoring frantic warnings from US allies in the region and around the world -- at 1:00 pm (1800 GMT) from the White House.

    "He will say that the United States government recognises that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel," a senior administration official said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

    "He views this as a recognition of reality, both historic reality," the source added, "and modern reality."

    Plunging further into a decades-long dispute over a city considered holy by Jews, Muslims and Christians, Trump will also order to begin planning to move the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.

    "It will take some time to find a site, to address security concerns, design a new facility, fund a new facility and build it," the official said, indicating that the move would not be immediate.

    "It will be a matter of some years, it won't be months, it's going to take time."

    The status of Jerusalem is a critical issue in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, with both sides claiming the city as their capital.

    In a frantic series of calls, the leaders of Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, the European Union, France, Germany and Turkey all warned Trump against the move.

    Anticipating protests, US government officials and their families have been ordered to avoid Jerusalem's Old City and the West Bank.

    On Wednesday, further warnings came from Britain, China, Syria and the UN envoy for the Middle East peace process.

    "We view the reports that we have heard with concern, because we think that Jerusalem obviously should be part of the final settlement between the Israelis and the Palestinians, a negotiated settlement," British foreign minister Boris Johnson said as he arrived for a NATO meeting in Brussels.

    China warned the plan could fuel tensions in the region and Syria called it a "dangerous" move that showed US "contempt for international law".

    UN envoy Nickolay Mladenov said "we all have to be very careful with the actions we take because of the repercussions of these actions."

    Trump's move comes close to fulfilling a campaign promise, and will delight his political donors and the conservative and evangelical base so vital for the embattled president.

    - 'Red line' -

    Most of the international community does not formally recognise Jerusalem as Israel's capital, insisting the issue can only be resolved in final status negotiations.

    US officials talk of "threading the needle" -- fulfilling Trump's campaign pledge, while keeping the peace process on the rails.

    The White House argues that such a move would not prejudge final talks and would represent the reality that west Jerusalem is and will continue to be part of Israel under any settlement.

    "President Trump remains committed to achieving a lasting peace agreement between the Israelis and the Palestinians and is optimistic that peace can be achieved," a second official said.

    Trump "is prepared to support a two-state solution... if agreed to by the two parties."

    Critics say Trump's approach is more like "splitting the baby" and could also extinguish his own much-vaunted efforts to broker Middle East peace while igniting the flames of conflict in a region already reeling from crises in Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Yemen and Qatar.

    The armed Islamist Hamas movement has threatened to launch a new "intifada" or uprising.

    Palestinians were calling for three days of protests starting from Wednesday, raising fears of potential unrest.

    Saudi Arabia's King Salman warned his close ally that moving the US embassy was a "dangerous step" that could rile Muslims around the world.

    "Mr Trump! Jerusalem is a red line for Muslims," Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said in a raucous televised speech on Tuesday.

    - 'Embassy Act' -

    Israel seized the largely Arab eastern sector of Jerusalem during the 1967 Six-Day War and later annexed it, claiming both sides of the city as its "eternal and undivided capital."

    But the Palestinians want the eastern sector as the capital of their future state and fiercely oppose any Israeli attempt to extend sovereignty there.

    Trump was pushed to act on the embassy as a result of the 1995 Jerusalem Embassy Act, which stated that the city "should be recognised as the capital of the state of Israel" and that the US embassy should be moved there.

    A waiver has been repeatedly invoked by successive US presidents, postponing the move on grounds of "national security" once every six months, meaning the law has never taken effect.

    Several peace plans have unravelled in the past decades over the issue of how to divide sovereignty or oversee holy sites in Jerusalem, with questions over the status of the city repeatedly sparking anger on both sides of the conflict.
     
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    Editorial Jerusalem: Two Capitals for Two Peoples


    U.S. President Donald Trump has told Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas that he intends to move the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem. Even though Trump hasn’t officially declared it, the reports about his intent have riled the Arab and Muslim world.

    The Palestinian leadership, Jordan, Egypt, Turkey (which has even threatened to cut diplomatic ties with Israel), the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (which includes 57 Muslim countries), and even Saudi Arabia have expressed their opposition to such a move, along with warnings about the dangerous ramifications of such a declaration, including an outbreak of violence in the Middle East. The Palestinians are declaring three days of rage in the West Bank starting Wednesday.

    The opposition has transcended the Arab world and sparked a wave of warnings from senior politicians and diplomats around the world, including French President Emmanuel Macron, German Foreign Minister Sigmar Gabriel and European Union Foreign Minister Federica Mogherini. Twenty-five former Israeli ambassadors, academics and peace activists have sent an urgent letter to the U.S. chief negotiator in the region, Jason Greenblatt, sharing their concerns with him.

    The opposition and concerns are understandable. Jerusalem is holy to Jews, Muslims and Christians, and its status is hotly disputed as a core element of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Unilateral declarations on its status, outside a diplomatic accord, convey an ignoring of Palestinian aspirations. They are thus expected to harm the chances for peace and spark opposition, which could take violent forms. Such a declaration would also diminish the status of the United States as an honest broker.

    It’s not clear how Trump’s ambition to resolve the long conflict between Israelis and Palestinians meshes with unilateral steps favoring the interests of one side, especially regarding such a central and volatile issue. If Trump deems it urgent to fulfill his promise to transfer the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem, or at least recognize the city as Israel’s capital, it would be better to do so alongside an equal recognition of Palestinian aspirations for the city.

    American recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital and the transfer of the embassy aren’t problems in and of themselves. On the contrary, a two-state solution requires the division of Jerusalem between Israelis and Palestinians. It requires its transition from a de facto divided city serving as Israel’s capital into a formally divided city, with West Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and East Jerusalem as the capital of the Palestinian state. When that happens, not only the United States but all countries could recognize the two capitals and be invited to open their embassies in them.

    The above article is Haaretz's lead editorial, as published in the Hebrew and English newspapers in Israel

    https://www.haaretz.com/amp/opinion/editorial/1.827028
     
  13. Tactical Frog

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    What we see here is probably the first stage of a new US-Saudi plan for a two-state solution if rumors are true.
     
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    Netanyahu thanks US for recognising Jerusalem as Israel's capital and moving US embassy to Jerusalem.
     
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    It will be interesting how this plays out. The action seems unilateral on the part of US. It would have appeared more serious if US made efforts to get its allies also in on the same direction. The impact of islamic thought is now being seen throughout the world in their own back yards. They world(read Developed nations) should have more empathy towards Israel now.
    This conflict has gone on too long. Its time Israel gets its due.
     
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    India unlikely to support US move to recognize Jerusalem as Israel capital

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    File photo. In a letter to the UN last week, Prime Minister Narendra Modi said India hopes for an early realization of a sovereign independent and united Palestinian state coexisting peacefully with Israel. Photo: Reuters

    New Delhi: India on Thursday indicated that it was unlikely to support a US decision to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel stating that it would take an independent stance on the subject.

    “India’s position on Palestine is independent and consistent. It is shaped by our views and interests, and not determined by any third country,” an Indian foreign ministry statement quoting spokesman Raveesh Kumar said.


    According to Pinak Chakravarty, formerly secretary economic relations in India’s foreign ministry and who was posted in Israel at the time India opened an embassy in the Jewish country in 1992, it was clear from the response that New Delhi “would not support the Trump administration’s policy on this.”

    India’s comment comes at a time when it is readying for a visit by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in January as the two countries mark the 25th anniversary of the establishment diplomatic relations. PM Narendra Modi in July paid a standalone bilateral visit to Israel—the first ever by an Indian prime minister—opening a new chapter in bilateral relations by bringing ties out of the closet as it were and into the open.


    Since the Modi government took office in May 2014, India-Israel ties have gained more prominence.

    But in a letter to the UN last week, Modi said India hopes for the early realization of a sovereign independent and united Palestinian state coexisting peacefully with Israel. In the letter on the occasion of Palestine Solidarity Day, Modi reiterated India’s “steadfast support” to the Palestinian cause while recalling India’s development assistance to Palestine.
     
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    Subramanian Swami wishes to follow Trump
     
  18. Tactical Frog

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    300 000 Palestinians live in Jerusalem. They are not Israeli citizens. 90 % of the old town residents are Palestinians . The Palestinians will never accept that Jerusalem is not their capital too, since that is where the symbols of their yet-to-be born state are located.

    Trump’s move has a giant merit : the Israel-Paletinian conflict is debated again. That is definitely the last chance to solve it by negotiation.
     
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    A chauhan "अहिंसा परमो धर्मः धर्म हिंसा तथैव च: l" = PKAKB Senior Member

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    India should support this move IMO.
     
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    India should get behind Israel on this one, the Arabs are sore loosers, Palestianinans had over the period of the last few decades had over 5 major opportunities to have their own state but their unwillingess to budge on many things even after a remakable Israeli victory, makes this a problem of their own making. Had Israel lost the wars, it would have been a different dynamic.

    The Islamists are pissed, I can't appreciate Trump's move enough, we might as well see the true colors of Islamic nations, it also sets a new dynamic for talks.
     

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