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Would be nice to have a poll among DFI members !
A/ Jerusalem is the legitimate capital of Israel and should be recognized as such by India
B / Tel Aviv shall remain the internanionally recognized capital of Israel until a two-states solution is reached
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if you ask me I believe that india should just derecognize Palestine (though it will course a lot of backlash against it from commies and certain minority) and recognize jurselam as the capital of the state of Israel
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Israel approves over 500 homes for settlers in East Jerusalem
CONSTRUCTION work is under way in the settlement of Ramot. Another settlement of Ramat Shlomo is seen in the background. The areas were seized and annexed to Jerusalem by Israel in 1967.—Reuters
JERUSALEM: Israel approved building permits on Sunday for hundreds of homes in three East Jerusalem settlements, two days after US President Donald Trump took office, expecting him to row back on the last administration’s criticism of such projects.
The housing projects, on land that the Palestinians seek as part of a future state, had been taken off the Jerusalem municipality’s agenda in December at the last minute at the request of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, in order to avoid further censure from the administration of Barack Obama.
Israel’s right wing expects Trump’s attitude towards settlements built in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, areas Israel captured in a 1967 war, to be far more supportive than that of his predecessor.
Hundreds of other units awaiting approval
Jerusalem’s City Hall approved the building permits for more than 560 units in the urban settlements of Pisgat Zeev, Ramat Shlomo and Ramot, areas annexed to Jerusalem in a move unrecognised internationally.
Meir Turgeman, the chairman of the municipality’s planning and building committee, told Israel Radio that the permits had been held up until the end of the Obama administration.
“I was told to wait until Trump takes office because he has no problem with building in Jerusalem,” Turgeman said, adding there were hundreds more units waiting for approval.
The Palestinians denounced the move. “We strongly condemn the Israeli decision to approve the construction,” Nabil Abu Rdainah, spokesman for Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, said.
In its final weeks, the Obama administration angered the Israeli government by withholding a traditional US veto of an anti-settlement resolution at the United Nations Security Council, enabling the measure to pass.
Trump’s nominee to be US ambassador to the United Nations, Nikki Haley, condemned the world body over its treatment of Israel at her Senate confirmation hearing on Wednesday.
In a proposal that has drawn a Palestinian outcry, Trump has pledged to move the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.
Israel sees all Jerusalem as its capital but most of the world does not, seeing its final status as a matter for peace negotiations. The Palestinians have said an embassy move would kill any prospect for peace. Negotiations broke down in 2014.
Trump has also appointed a new US ambassador to Israel, David Friedman, who is considered a settlements supporter.
Commentators in Israel have said it was too early to tell what Trump’s policy on these matters will actually be.
Most countries consider settlement activity illegal and an obstacle to peace. Israel disagrees, citing a biblical, historical and political connection to the land — which the Palestinians also claim — as well as security interests.
Published in Dawn, January 23rd, 2017
CONSTRUCTION work is under way in the settlement of Ramot. Another settlement of Ramat Shlomo is seen in the background. The areas were seized and annexed to Jerusalem by Israel in 1967.—Reuters
JERUSALEM: Israel approved building permits on Sunday for hundreds of homes in three East Jerusalem settlements, two days after US President Donald Trump took office, expecting him to row back on the last administration’s criticism of such projects.
The housing projects, on land that the Palestinians seek as part of a future state, had been taken off the Jerusalem municipality’s agenda in December at the last minute at the request of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, in order to avoid further censure from the administration of Barack Obama.
Israel’s right wing expects Trump’s attitude towards settlements built in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, areas Israel captured in a 1967 war, to be far more supportive than that of his predecessor.
Hundreds of other units awaiting approval
Jerusalem’s City Hall approved the building permits for more than 560 units in the urban settlements of Pisgat Zeev, Ramat Shlomo and Ramot, areas annexed to Jerusalem in a move unrecognised internationally.
Meir Turgeman, the chairman of the municipality’s planning and building committee, told Israel Radio that the permits had been held up until the end of the Obama administration.
“I was told to wait until Trump takes office because he has no problem with building in Jerusalem,” Turgeman said, adding there were hundreds more units waiting for approval.
The Palestinians denounced the move. “We strongly condemn the Israeli decision to approve the construction,” Nabil Abu Rdainah, spokesman for Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, said.
In its final weeks, the Obama administration angered the Israeli government by withholding a traditional US veto of an anti-settlement resolution at the United Nations Security Council, enabling the measure to pass.
Trump’s nominee to be US ambassador to the United Nations, Nikki Haley, condemned the world body over its treatment of Israel at her Senate confirmation hearing on Wednesday.
In a proposal that has drawn a Palestinian outcry, Trump has pledged to move the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.
Israel sees all Jerusalem as its capital but most of the world does not, seeing its final status as a matter for peace negotiations. The Palestinians have said an embassy move would kill any prospect for peace. Negotiations broke down in 2014.
Trump has also appointed a new US ambassador to Israel, David Friedman, who is considered a settlements supporter.
Commentators in Israel have said it was too early to tell what Trump’s policy on these matters will actually be.
Most countries consider settlement activity illegal and an obstacle to peace. Israel disagrees, citing a biblical, historical and political connection to the land — which the Palestinians also claim — as well as security interests.
Published in Dawn, January 23rd, 2017
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https://sg.news.yahoo.com/trump-recognize-jerusalem-israels-capital-020407713.html
President Donald Trump will recognise Jerusalem as Israel's capital Wednesday, upending decades of careful US policy and ignoring dire warnings of a historic misstep that could trigger a surge of violence in the Middle East.
A senior administration official said Trump would make the announcement -- ignoring frantic warnings from US allies in the region and around the world -- at 1:00 pm (1800 GMT) from the White House.
"He will say that the United States government recognises that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel," a senior administration official said, speaking on condition of anonymity.
"He views this as a recognition of reality, both historic reality," the source added, "and modern reality."
Plunging further into a decades-long dispute over a city considered holy by Jews, Muslims and Christians, Trump will also order to begin planning to move the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.
"It will take some time to find a site, to address security concerns, design a new facility, fund a new facility and build it," the official said, indicating that the move would not be immediate.
"It will be a matter of some years, it won't be months, it's going to take time."
The status of Jerusalem is a critical issue in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, with both sides claiming the city as their capital.
In a frantic series of calls, the leaders of Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, the European Union, France, Germany and Turkey all warned Trump against the move.
Anticipating protests, US government officials and their families have been ordered to avoid Jerusalem's Old City and the West Bank.
On Wednesday, further warnings came from Britain, China, Syria and the UN envoy for the Middle East peace process.
"We view the reports that we have heard with concern, because we think that Jerusalem obviously should be part of the final settlement between the Israelis and the Palestinians, a negotiated settlement," British foreign minister Boris Johnson said as he arrived for a NATO meeting in Brussels.
China warned the plan could fuel tensions in the region and Syria called it a "dangerous" move that showed US "contempt for international law".
UN envoy Nickolay Mladenov said "we all have to be very careful with the actions we take because of the repercussions of these actions."
Trump's move comes close to fulfilling a campaign promise, and will delight his political donors and the conservative and evangelical base so vital for the embattled president.
- 'Red line' -
Most of the international community does not formally recognise Jerusalem as Israel's capital, insisting the issue can only be resolved in final status negotiations.
US officials talk of "threading the needle" -- fulfilling Trump's campaign pledge, while keeping the peace process on the rails.
The White House argues that such a move would not prejudge final talks and would represent the reality that west Jerusalem is and will continue to be part of Israel under any settlement.
"President Trump remains committed to achieving a lasting peace agreement between the Israelis and the Palestinians and is optimistic that peace can be achieved," a second official said.
Trump "is prepared to support a two-state solution... if agreed to by the two parties."
Critics say Trump's approach is more like "splitting the baby" and could also extinguish his own much-vaunted efforts to broker Middle East peace while igniting the flames of conflict in a region already reeling from crises in Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Yemen and Qatar.
The armed Islamist Hamas movement has threatened to launch a new "intifada" or uprising.
Palestinians were calling for three days of protests starting from Wednesday, raising fears of potential unrest.
Saudi Arabia's King Salman warned his close ally that moving the US embassy was a "dangerous step" that could rile Muslims around the world.
"Mr Trump! Jerusalem is a red line for Muslims," Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said in a raucous televised speech on Tuesday.
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Israel seized the largely Arab eastern sector of Jerusalem during the 1967 Six-Day War and later annexed it, claiming both sides of the city as its "eternal and undivided capital."
But the Palestinians want the eastern sector as the capital of their future state and fiercely oppose any Israeli attempt to extend sovereignty there.
Trump was pushed to act on the embassy as a result of the 1995 Jerusalem Embassy Act, which stated that the city "should be recognised as the capital of the state of Israel" and that the US embassy should be moved there.
A waiver has been repeatedly invoked by successive US presidents, postponing the move on grounds of "national security" once every six months, meaning the law has never taken effect.
Several peace plans have unravelled in the past decades over the issue of how to divide sovereignty or oversee holy sites in Jerusalem, with questions over the status of the city repeatedly sparking anger on both sides of the conflict.
President Donald Trump will recognise Jerusalem as Israel's capital Wednesday, upending decades of careful US policy and ignoring dire warnings of a historic misstep that could trigger a surge of violence in the Middle East.
A senior administration official said Trump would make the announcement -- ignoring frantic warnings from US allies in the region and around the world -- at 1:00 pm (1800 GMT) from the White House.
"He will say that the United States government recognises that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel," a senior administration official said, speaking on condition of anonymity.
"He views this as a recognition of reality, both historic reality," the source added, "and modern reality."
Plunging further into a decades-long dispute over a city considered holy by Jews, Muslims and Christians, Trump will also order to begin planning to move the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.
"It will take some time to find a site, to address security concerns, design a new facility, fund a new facility and build it," the official said, indicating that the move would not be immediate.
"It will be a matter of some years, it won't be months, it's going to take time."
The status of Jerusalem is a critical issue in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, with both sides claiming the city as their capital.
In a frantic series of calls, the leaders of Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, the European Union, France, Germany and Turkey all warned Trump against the move.
Anticipating protests, US government officials and their families have been ordered to avoid Jerusalem's Old City and the West Bank.
On Wednesday, further warnings came from Britain, China, Syria and the UN envoy for the Middle East peace process.
"We view the reports that we have heard with concern, because we think that Jerusalem obviously should be part of the final settlement between the Israelis and the Palestinians, a negotiated settlement," British foreign minister Boris Johnson said as he arrived for a NATO meeting in Brussels.
China warned the plan could fuel tensions in the region and Syria called it a "dangerous" move that showed US "contempt for international law".
UN envoy Nickolay Mladenov said "we all have to be very careful with the actions we take because of the repercussions of these actions."
Trump's move comes close to fulfilling a campaign promise, and will delight his political donors and the conservative and evangelical base so vital for the embattled president.
- 'Red line' -
Most of the international community does not formally recognise Jerusalem as Israel's capital, insisting the issue can only be resolved in final status negotiations.
US officials talk of "threading the needle" -- fulfilling Trump's campaign pledge, while keeping the peace process on the rails.
The White House argues that such a move would not prejudge final talks and would represent the reality that west Jerusalem is and will continue to be part of Israel under any settlement.
"President Trump remains committed to achieving a lasting peace agreement between the Israelis and the Palestinians and is optimistic that peace can be achieved," a second official said.
Trump "is prepared to support a two-state solution... if agreed to by the two parties."
Critics say Trump's approach is more like "splitting the baby" and could also extinguish his own much-vaunted efforts to broker Middle East peace while igniting the flames of conflict in a region already reeling from crises in Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Yemen and Qatar.
The armed Islamist Hamas movement has threatened to launch a new "intifada" or uprising.
Palestinians were calling for three days of protests starting from Wednesday, raising fears of potential unrest.
Saudi Arabia's King Salman warned his close ally that moving the US embassy was a "dangerous step" that could rile Muslims around the world.
"Mr Trump! Jerusalem is a red line for Muslims," Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said in a raucous televised speech on Tuesday.
- 'Embassy Act' -
Israel seized the largely Arab eastern sector of Jerusalem during the 1967 Six-Day War and later annexed it, claiming both sides of the city as its "eternal and undivided capital."
But the Palestinians want the eastern sector as the capital of their future state and fiercely oppose any Israeli attempt to extend sovereignty there.
Trump was pushed to act on the embassy as a result of the 1995 Jerusalem Embassy Act, which stated that the city "should be recognised as the capital of the state of Israel" and that the US embassy should be moved there.
A waiver has been repeatedly invoked by successive US presidents, postponing the move on grounds of "national security" once every six months, meaning the law has never taken effect.
Several peace plans have unravelled in the past decades over the issue of how to divide sovereignty or oversee holy sites in Jerusalem, with questions over the status of the city repeatedly sparking anger on both sides of the conflict.
Tactical Frog
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Editorial Jerusalem: Two Capitals for Two Peoples
U.S. President Donald Trump has told Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas that he intends to move the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem. Even though Trump hasn’t officially declared it, the reports about his intent have riled the Arab and Muslim world.
The Palestinian leadership, Jordan, Egypt, Turkey (which has even threatened to cut diplomatic ties with Israel), the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (which includes 57 Muslim countries), and even Saudi Arabia have expressed their opposition to such a move, along with warnings about the dangerous ramifications of such a declaration, including an outbreak of violence in the Middle East. The Palestinians are declaring three days of rage in the West Bank starting Wednesday.
The opposition has transcended the Arab world and sparked a wave of warnings from senior politicians and diplomats around the world, including French President Emmanuel Macron, German Foreign Minister Sigmar Gabriel and European Union Foreign Minister Federica Mogherini. Twenty-five former Israeli ambassadors, academics and peace activists have sent an urgent letter to the U.S. chief negotiator in the region, Jason Greenblatt, sharing their concerns with him.
The opposition and concerns are understandable. Jerusalem is holy to Jews, Muslims and Christians, and its status is hotly disputed as a core element of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Unilateral declarations on its status, outside a diplomatic accord, convey an ignoring of Palestinian aspirations. They are thus expected to harm the chances for peace and spark opposition, which could take violent forms. Such a declaration would also diminish the status of the United States as an honest broker.
It’s not clear how Trump’s ambition to resolve the long conflict between Israelis and Palestinians meshes with unilateral steps favoring the interests of one side, especially regarding such a central and volatile issue. If Trump deems it urgent to fulfill his promise to transfer the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem, or at least recognize the city as Israel’s capital, it would be better to do so alongside an equal recognition of Palestinian aspirations for the city.
American recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital and the transfer of the embassy aren’t problems in and of themselves. On the contrary, a two-state solution requires the division of Jerusalem between Israelis and Palestinians. It requires its transition from a de facto divided city serving as Israel’s capital into a formally divided city, with West Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and East Jerusalem as the capital of the Palestinian state. When that happens, not only the United States but all countries could recognize the two capitals and be invited to open their embassies in them.
The above article is Haaretz's lead editorial, as published in the Hebrew and English newspapers in Israel
https://www.haaretz.com/amp/opinion/editorial/1.827028
U.S. President Donald Trump has told Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas that he intends to move the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem. Even though Trump hasn’t officially declared it, the reports about his intent have riled the Arab and Muslim world.
The Palestinian leadership, Jordan, Egypt, Turkey (which has even threatened to cut diplomatic ties with Israel), the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (which includes 57 Muslim countries), and even Saudi Arabia have expressed their opposition to such a move, along with warnings about the dangerous ramifications of such a declaration, including an outbreak of violence in the Middle East. The Palestinians are declaring three days of rage in the West Bank starting Wednesday.
The opposition has transcended the Arab world and sparked a wave of warnings from senior politicians and diplomats around the world, including French President Emmanuel Macron, German Foreign Minister Sigmar Gabriel and European Union Foreign Minister Federica Mogherini. Twenty-five former Israeli ambassadors, academics and peace activists have sent an urgent letter to the U.S. chief negotiator in the region, Jason Greenblatt, sharing their concerns with him.
The opposition and concerns are understandable. Jerusalem is holy to Jews, Muslims and Christians, and its status is hotly disputed as a core element of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Unilateral declarations on its status, outside a diplomatic accord, convey an ignoring of Palestinian aspirations. They are thus expected to harm the chances for peace and spark opposition, which could take violent forms. Such a declaration would also diminish the status of the United States as an honest broker.
It’s not clear how Trump’s ambition to resolve the long conflict between Israelis and Palestinians meshes with unilateral steps favoring the interests of one side, especially regarding such a central and volatile issue. If Trump deems it urgent to fulfill his promise to transfer the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem, or at least recognize the city as Israel’s capital, it would be better to do so alongside an equal recognition of Palestinian aspirations for the city.
American recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital and the transfer of the embassy aren’t problems in and of themselves. On the contrary, a two-state solution requires the division of Jerusalem between Israelis and Palestinians. It requires its transition from a de facto divided city serving as Israel’s capital into a formally divided city, with West Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and East Jerusalem as the capital of the Palestinian state. When that happens, not only the United States but all countries could recognize the two capitals and be invited to open their embassies in them.
The above article is Haaretz's lead editorial, as published in the Hebrew and English newspapers in Israel
https://www.haaretz.com/amp/opinion/editorial/1.827028
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What we see here is probably the first stage of a new US-Saudi plan for a two-state solution if rumors are true.
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It will be interesting how this plays out. The action seems unilateral on the part of US. It would have appeared more serious if US made efforts to get its allies also in on the same direction. The impact of islamic thought is now being seen throughout the world in their own back yards. They world(read Developed nations) should have more empathy towards Israel now.
This conflict has gone on too long. Its time Israel gets its due.
This conflict has gone on too long. Its time Israel gets its due.
India unlikely to support US move to recognize Jerusalem as Israel capital
File photo. In a letter to the UN last week, Prime Minister Narendra Modi said India hopes for an early realization of a sovereign independent and united Palestinian state coexisting peacefully with Israel. Photo: Reuters
New Delhi: India on Thursday indicated that it was unlikely to support a US decision to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel stating that it would take an independent stance on the subject.
“India’s position on Palestine is independent and consistent. It is shaped by our views and interests, and not determined by any third country,” an Indian foreign ministry statement quoting spokesman Raveesh Kumar said.
According to Pinak Chakravarty, formerly secretary economic relations in India’s foreign ministry and who was posted in Israel at the time India opened an embassy in the Jewish country in 1992, it was clear from the response that New Delhi “would not support the Trump administration’s policy on this.”
India’s comment comes at a time when it is readying for a visit by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in January as the two countries mark the 25th anniversary of the establishment diplomatic relations. PM Narendra Modi in July paid a standalone bilateral visit to Israel—the first ever by an Indian prime minister—opening a new chapter in bilateral relations by bringing ties out of the closet as it were and into the open.
Since the Modi government took office in May 2014, India-Israel ties have gained more prominence.
But in a letter to the UN last week, Modi said India hopes for the early realization of a sovereign independent and united Palestinian state coexisting peacefully with Israel. In the letter on the occasion of Palestine Solidarity Day, Modi reiterated India’s “steadfast support” to the Palestinian cause while recalling India’s development assistance to Palestine.
File photo. In a letter to the UN last week, Prime Minister Narendra Modi said India hopes for an early realization of a sovereign independent and united Palestinian state coexisting peacefully with Israel. Photo: Reuters
New Delhi: India on Thursday indicated that it was unlikely to support a US decision to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel stating that it would take an independent stance on the subject.
“India’s position on Palestine is independent and consistent. It is shaped by our views and interests, and not determined by any third country,” an Indian foreign ministry statement quoting spokesman Raveesh Kumar said.
According to Pinak Chakravarty, formerly secretary economic relations in India’s foreign ministry and who was posted in Israel at the time India opened an embassy in the Jewish country in 1992, it was clear from the response that New Delhi “would not support the Trump administration’s policy on this.”
India’s comment comes at a time when it is readying for a visit by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in January as the two countries mark the 25th anniversary of the establishment diplomatic relations. PM Narendra Modi in July paid a standalone bilateral visit to Israel—the first ever by an Indian prime minister—opening a new chapter in bilateral relations by bringing ties out of the closet as it were and into the open.
Since the Modi government took office in May 2014, India-Israel ties have gained more prominence.
But in a letter to the UN last week, Modi said India hopes for the early realization of a sovereign independent and united Palestinian state coexisting peacefully with Israel. In the letter on the occasion of Palestine Solidarity Day, Modi reiterated India’s “steadfast support” to the Palestinian cause while recalling India’s development assistance to Palestine.
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300 000 Palestinians live in Jerusalem. They are not Israeli citizens. 90 % of the old town residents are Palestinians . The Palestinians will never accept that Jerusalem is not their capital too, since that is where the symbols of their yet-to-be born state are located.
Trump’s move has a giant merit : the Israel-Paletinian conflict is debated again. That is definitely the last chance to solve it by negotiation.
Trump’s move has a giant merit : the Israel-Paletinian conflict is debated again. That is definitely the last chance to solve it by negotiation.
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India should get behind Israel on this one, the Arabs are sore loosers, Palestianinans had over the period of the last few decades had over 5 major opportunities to have their own state but their unwillingess to budge on many things even after a remakable Israeli victory, makes this a problem of their own making. Had Israel lost the wars, it would have been a different dynamic.
The Islamists are pissed, I can't appreciate Trump's move enough, we might as well see the true colors of Islamic nations, it also sets a new dynamic for talks.
The Islamists are pissed, I can't appreciate Trump's move enough, we might as well see the true colors of Islamic nations, it also sets a new dynamic for talks.
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whats up with these turks? protesting outside the US embassy. erdogan's bitches need to be bitchslapped by Mossad in order to remind them who is their father
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The Turks are Erdo have gone bat shit, fuck em.
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Modi will lose Muslim vote and Hindus don't vote they only eat fart and discuss on chai...
The Jerusalem issue is a 1000+ year old debate for all the abrahmic religions. The temple mount has been worshiped as church, and also hold very important value for Muslims as it is within Al Aqsa mosque which is considered as 1st Mecca. Als for Jews it's a synagogue
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When BJP is fighting for Ram Mandir in home country and taking initiatives to fight the untouchability of Islamic laws what more Muslim vote would he lose by supporting Israel on this move. He already took a big risk when he visited Israel without going to Palestine. So nxt logical step shld be to support Israel on Jerusalem
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