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An ultra nationalist like me is very very pro US.
My fault, leftist ultra-nationalists...
An ultra nationalist like me is very very pro US.
Indian Hindu country? Are you daft?I think any county that thinks of its self as a religious contry, such as Indian Hindu country are going to suffer for it. while the majority of americans are Christian we are not a Christian Country , we have a truly secular goverment that allows full partispation of all religons.
The USA has no desire to dominate south asia, it just has a desire that no one else does either. As far as India being an ally of the USA, I dont see what India brings to the table that justfries the risk to the USA. Would the USA want to really risk a war over India. India has never done any thing for the USA. 90 percent of the time India has voted against the USA in issues at the UN.
USA may not have the desire to dominate south asia but india has the potential ability to dominate south asia. That is enough for USA to contain india's growing influence within indian ocean. Can india accept that?The USA has no desire to dominate south asia, it just has a desire that no one else does either. As far as India being an ally of the USA, I dont see what India brings to the table that justfries the risk to the USA. Would the USA want to really risk a war over India. India has never done any thing for the USA. 90 percent of the time India has voted against the USA in issues at the UN.
basically would agree with that ....you summed it in a nutshell .....i would add ...if it suits both countries , not just indiaPartner - Yes Ally- No Economic - Yes Military - No That too if it suits India.
there is nothing at all complicated about the aggressive growth and aggressive posture of china .....you dont need a PhD to figure that out.......International relationship is far more complex than black and white: .......
india in NO position to dominate south asia ......not with all that is gonig on in the country .......usa knows thatUSA may not have the desire to dominate south asia but india has the potential ability to dominate south asia. That is enough for USA to contain india's growing influence within indian ocean. Can india accept that?
Indian already dominates "South Asia"/the Indian Subcontinent militarily and economically. The Americans cannot sail an A/C into the Arabian Sea or Bay of Bengal and force India's hand. They would love to but cannot.USA may not have the desire to dominate south asia but india has the potential ability to dominate south asia. That is enough for USA to contain india's growing influence within indian ocean. Can india accept that?
Western European Nations= Christian constitutionally ::Secular in practiceThe USA goverment is about as secular as any goverment on earth it was a hard road to travel. It would be considered bad manners in the USA to ask some one what is their religion and illegal if it had something to do with a job or houseing.
AFAIK US had only one Roman Catholic prez, that's kennedy@average american can a Jew or a Muslim or a Sikh become the President of the US? Well just asking.
India and the US will have to ally out of compulsion if not anything else for the next few decades at least.
The meaning of te word alliance has to change. It certainly will not be master and poodle kinda thing a la Britain.
The US understands this and what I have seen tells me India and US can accommodate each other very well. What has happened over the years or the history of how India has voted etc is irrelevant. We are looking for common strategic goals that we can work together with. In the current both Asian as well as world context it is China and how to maintain peace and stability while the Chinese continue to make ridiculous assertions about their sovereignty all over Asia.
You are talking about demographics, not secularism.AFAIK US had only one Roman Catholic prez, that's kennedy
that's how secular they r.
There is no other country in south asia can match india's power. India would have been a dominance power for a long time in this area if there is no foreign power.india in NO position to dominate south asia ......not with all that is gonig on in the country .......usa knows that
your attempt to make india look a threat is not gonna be seriously considered by anyone let alone the sharp minds in the usa
well i totally agree with you on the bold part of your comment.but i think India and the U.S. can become close strategical allies in the near future as we have a common interest to check the growing potential threat of china in the South Asian region.but i don't think India will become a part of the so called "ally" of the U.S. as we have an independent foreign policy unlike G.B. or AustraliaUnless India becomes pro-China or the same for US, I don't see them being rivals. The common foe will keep them on the same page. They will never be allies. India is too independent for that.
well you see it that wayThere is no other country in south asia can match india's power. India would have been a dominance power for a long time in this area if there is no foreign power. ...Whether India is a threat depends on other countries' opinion not india itself. Unfortunately, your neighbours see you as a threat, at least a potential threat. That is why they welcome US and China apperance. ...Yes, USA knows. That is why their fleet is always here unless you believe they are only coming for priates!
thats true and if India can defend itself from China and US 'both', then it doesn't need US's 'help' too, isn't it???well you see it that way
there are those of us whose view is that the usa is ether to counter chinese presence and growing influence in IO ....usa knows india cont do it on its own
i hope admin would consider in addition to the "like" button a couple of others eg. " unintelligible" and/ or "stupid" plus some others ...so we could have a comment such as "you plus 5 others find this post unintelligible" or stupic or some other categorythats true and if India can defend itself from China and US 'both', then it doesn't need US's 'help' too, isn't it???
and I don't think India really need any type of military help from US to defend itself from China or US too, as discussed in this thread as below:
http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...countries-highest-military-expenditure-3.html
being "intelligible/ intellectual" is an immature/ incompetent word, as learning process never ends. you can't really prove your intelligence by few clicks on these icons or by few comments like this .... :i hope admin would consider in addition to the "like" button a couple of others eg. " unintelligible" and/ or "stupid" plus some others ...so we could have a comment such as "you plus 5 others find this post unintelligible" or stupic or some other category
the post quoted easily qualifies
We get further away from '71 every year, but Uncle Sam is still tied to Pakistan, although for different reasons than those that resulted from the situation 40 years ago. If India today can benefit from a partnership with Russia, that is just reality.@W.G.Ewald,
Please watch the video, and the realization does run well on part of the US government that the GoI has not got over with the '71 incident and how the US was to find itself on the wrong side of India. I mention this because this is not just a reflection of this forum per se, but pretty much what the thought process runs at the highest level within Indian strategic thinkers, but given that, there lies an understanding that the two countries need to work together and forge far more greater workable and collaborative relationship, and not just as a counter balance to the PRC but on many-many more common grounds. My hunch is, the relations between our two countries have moved on a much better level than are being made out publically.
Well, only problem is China is not that powerful to challenge anyone in IO. Hell, China cannot challenge US navy in east asia today, how big threat China can impose on IO? How many ships and planes does China deploy in IO? Almost ZERO!well you see it that way
there are those of us whose view is that the usa is ether to counter chinese presence and growing influence in IO ....usa knows india cont do it on its own