Indian Defense Acquisitions - Co- Developments and Production

[Armand2REP]

Now India can't make their own HMGs... so much for domestic capabilities.

 

[Agantrope]

Now India can't make their own HMGs... so much for domestic capabilities.

It is a known fact that the indian defence complex was sleeping these years and after math of kargil made them to awake. Yet long way to go (there are also factors of kickbacks and blah blah blah which i dont want to discuss here)

 

[Armand2REP]

It is a known fact that the indian defence complex was sleeping these years and after math of kargil made them to awake. Yet long way to go (there are also factors of kickbacks and blah blah blah which i dont want to discuss here)

It appears the Indian MIC is still sleeping and reliant on foreign technology for the simplest of infantry weapons.

 

[Rage]

It appears the Indian MIC is still sleeping and reliant on foreign technology for the simplest of infantry weapons.

Yeh, It's pathetic. We're rapidly becomin' another Saudi Arabia.

We still use the late-Soviet vintage NSV 12.7mm and SPV 14.5mm Heavy Machine Guns. I'm curiouse about the Browning M2 HB HMG, tho, I never realized we had it. We're certainly not listed on the list of procurers on the Wikipedia page, and I've seen no recent articles that make a mention of its adoption.

 

[Dark_Prince]

I believe, whatever is best for our boys- get that . Secondly, setting up new production line for such limited weaponry does not make sense (cost factor). Thirdly, I am not a fanboy and would consider to buy these weapons required by our scouts on time, as producing them locally would take extremely long and we surely cannot achieve cost effectiveness. However, we should analyse our other future requirements, and start R&D on them so that those requirements could be delivered/fulfilled on time.

 

[gogbot]

Now India can't make their own HMGs... so much for domestic capabilities.

I don't know what bracket this procurement policy is under but,

Technically most procurements are done through tenders.

either this is an outright buy from foreign suppliers., with offsets.

It could be a Buy and make Indian tender where only India companies are allowed to participate, with foreign partnership or otherwise.

this is also how Most development projects are initialized, with any Indian companies or DRDO submitting their concept for a future gun.

Army they has a chance to review all proposals, and then make its decision.
Army could well go ahead with trials, and induction of a foreign system.
Whilst India institution develops alternatives.

 

[1.44]

Long-term plan to indigenously manufacture all major defence equipment'

Long-term plan to indigenously manufacture all major defence equipment'​

CHENNAI: Vice-Chief of Army Staff Lt General P C Bharadwaj on Saturday said India had a long-term plan to indigenously manufacture all major defence equipment used in combat zones as part of its modernisation programme.

"Modernisation is a very high priority matter. We are looking up to 2027. All the services (Army, Navy and Airforce) have drawn up their plans," Bharadwaj told reporters on the sidelines of the passing out parade at Officers Training Academy. He said India has progressed in a big way in making indigenous defence equipment like Brahmos supersonic cruise missile and said a lot of technical equipment used in battle is being produced indigenously.

When asked about the permanent commissioning of women officers, he said it was an ongoing process. "We look at great expansion in the Indian Army for very talented young women," he said. To a question on Sukhna land scam in which retired Lt General Avadhesh Prakash is facing a court martial, he said the matter is subjudice but added that "the Army is an establishment which lives on discipline. If we even see the smallest aberration, we take action immediately to investigate it and rectify it. We accept no dilution of standards."

Addressing graduate OTA cadets, Bharadwaj said young army officers needed to respond to the present-day environment, which was one of unprecendented complexity, ambiguity, informational overload and rapid organisational change. "The present battle conditions demand a soldier who is efficient and modern in thinking and functioning. Be it the conventional war or proxy war where most of you will find your immediate assignment and you will also learn to fully understand these complexities and challenges of modern warfare," the Army vice-chief said.

Stating that Indian army has a formidable image at home and abroad for its professionalism, patriotism and discipline, he said "our Army is admired for exemplary service it has rendered, be it external or internal challenges, peacekeeping operations or while providing relief and rehabilitation."

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...jor-defence-equipment/articleshow/5706939.cms

 

[Agantrope]

It appears the Indian MIC is still sleeping and reliant on foreign technology for the simplest of infantry weapons.

Yeah, but to accept that pathetic fact. All are soviet classic vintages. To tell in a nutshell we are 15-20years behind the line

 

[bengalraider]

It appears the Indian MIC is still sleeping and reliant on foreign technology for the simplest of infantry weapons.

You are right, we are a behemoth as far as manufacturing capacity is concerned, but the lack of any cohesive national policy to integrate the manufacturing facilities into a more productive setup and inject a better work culture into the Indian MIC over much of the the last 60+yrs of independence has brought us to this stage.

 

[Sridhar]

Murmur in army over fast-track weapons purchases post-26/11

Josy Joseph / DNA
Monday, March 22, 2010 0:16 IST
New Delhi: Fast-track purchases for the army without competitive tendering after the 26/11 Mumbai attacks have come under government scanner following allegations that vested interests were trying to influence decision-making.

Director-general (infantry) Lieutenant General Jasbir Singh, who was overseeing those purchases, besides several other big-ticket procurements for infantry units, was quietly moved out last week.
The official position is Singh had to be shifted out because he completed three years in Delhi. Lieutenant General SN Handa took over from him on March 13.
Sources in the defence establishment, however, said the decision was taken by army chief General Deepak Kapoor “in consultation” with his successor-designate Lieutenant General VK Singh after they were briefed about “vigorous efforts” to push through certain deals. VK Singh takes over as army chief on March 31.
The military top brass was also briefed about certain meetings of some senior officers in their official residences with representatives of arms companies. Such contacts are prohibited.
The sources did not say whether a formal investigation had been launched into purchases and tenders initiated by the infantry directorate. The army leadership could take a re-look at some of these purchases and tenders in the coming days, the sources added.
There were several inputs with the army leadership and the ministry of defence about strong efforts by the infantry directorate to “hastily” push through a host of purchases.
Those fast-track purchases were sanctioned after the 26/11 attacks, and were mostly meant to equip the Ghatak units.
Each of the infantry units of the Indian army has a Ghatak (lethal) unit which comprises about 20 soldiers trained as commandos for carrying out shock attacks on enemy positions and conducting ambushes.
Government sources said several other tenders of the directorate have come under scrutiny. Among them was the move to purchase a foreign rifle in place of the Insas (Indian small arms system) assault rifle, which is developed by the Ordnance Factory Board. The infantry directorate had also rejected the Insas carbine after several months of trial and without much explanation.

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/repor...st-track-weapons-purchases-post-26-11_1361808

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Indian military to weaponize world's hottest chili

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/as_india_chili_grenades

Indian military to weaponize world's hottest chili

GAUHATI, India – The Indian military has a new weapon against terrorism: the world's hottest chili.

After conducting tests, the military has decided to use the thumb-sized "bhut jolokia," or "ghost chili," to make tear gas-like hand grenades to immobilize suspects, defense officials said Tuesday.

The bhut jolokia was accepted by Guinness World Records in 2007 as the world's spiciest chili. It is grown and eaten in India's northeast for its taste, as a cure for stomach troubles and a way to fight the crippling summer heat.

It has more than 1,000,000 Scoville units, the scientific measurement of a chili's spiciness. Classic Tabasco sauce ranges from 2,500 to 5,000 Scoville units, while jalapeno peppers measure anywhere from 2,500 to 8,000.

"The chili grenade has been found fit for use after trials in Indian defense laboratories, a fact confirmed by scientists at the Defense Research and Development Organization," Col. R. Kalia, a defense spokesman in the northeastern state of Assam, told The Associated Press.

"This is definitely going to be an effective nontoxic weapon because its pungent smell can choke terrorists and force them out of their hide-outs," R. B. Srivastava, the director of the Life Sciences Department at the New Delhi headquarters of the DRDO said.

Srivastava, who led a defense research laboratory in Assam, said trials are also on to produce bhut jolokia-based aerosol sprays to be used by women against attackers and for the police to control and disperse mobs.

 

[IBM]

goood idea.we should use nature as much as we can.

 

[san]

Eco friendly herbal grenades.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

http://www.montrealgazette.com/technology/chilli+peppers+come+India+defence/2716394/story.html

Red hot chilli peppers come to India’s defence


GUWAHATI, India - India’s security forces are planning to mix one of the world’s hottest chilli powders in hand grenades to control riots and during insurgency operations in the remote northeast, a defence official said on Thursday.

India’s defence scientists say they will replace explosives in small hand grenades with a certain variety of red chilli to immobilise a person without killing him.

"We are working on a project on how to use the hottest chilli in different applications in defence forces," said R.B. Srivastava, a senior scientist at the state-run Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO).

Scientists said the chilli found in the country’s northeast generates so much heat it was enough to startle a person for a while when used as a weapon.

The bhut jolokia chilli is said to generate 1,000,000 heat units on the Scoville scale — a measure of hotness — at least a thousand times more than a common kitchen chilli.

The Scoville scale was named after American scientist Wilbur Scoville, the first to measure the heat component in chillies.

 

[xebex]

take one grenade home, enough to make curry for one year XD

 

[RAM]

India scientists hail 'multi-purpose' chillis

Scientists in India say their chilli stun grenade for fighting terrorists could be adapted for other purposes.They say that "civilian variants" include the use of chillis for crowd control and chilli-based aerosol sprays as a "safety device" for women.But the scientists say that the main aim of their work with chillis will still be to neutralise terrorists and insurgents. Bhut jolokia chillis are said to be 1,000 times hotter than other chillis.

Non-toxic grenade

Scientists say that awesome power can be used for numerous purposes. Indian scientists say the chillis will immobilise but not kill people In addition to being used for controlling mobs - in a similar way to pepper spray - and protecting women, bhut jolokia chillis can be used as a food additive for troops operating in cold conditions. They have also been used on fences around army barracks in the hope that the strong smell will keep out animals. But scientists say the chilli's primary purpose will be as a stun grenade against suspected insurgents. "It will immobilise them but not kill them," said RB Srivastava of the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) . He said the non-toxic grenade would be developed from the thumb-sized bhut jolokia that is grown in the north-eastern state of Assam and recognised by Guinness World Records as the world's hottest chilli.
Admirers of the chilli say that adding a tiny fraction of it helps improve the taste of curries. One bhut jolokia packs more than 1,000,000 Scoville units, the scientific measure for a chilli's spiciness. That is 10 to 15 times more than any other chilli variety in the world.

'Burn like hell'

Classic Tabasco sauce and Jalapeno peppers measure anywhere from 2,500 to 8,000 Scoville units. The preliminary trials for the "chilli grenade" were described by defence scientists as "successful". "Now we are perfecting the design and once that happens, we will start production," said Mr Srivastava. "Its pungent smell will force the target victim to throw up and the eyes will burn like hell, but all without any long-term damage." But not everyone is convinced about its pungency.Last year, a young Assamese mother set a record by munching 51 bhut jolokias in two minutes. Anandita Dutta Tamuly performed the bizarre feat before hundreds of people at the tea-growing northern Assam town of Jorhat. But experts say that she is part of a small minority of people for whom the chilli may not work.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/8584988.stm

 

[Vinod2070]

I would have preferred it to be used without much publicity on the terrorists. Why publicise so much on every development? Let's use it discreetly without making a fuss.

 

[tarunraju]

The star-attraction:

 

[johnee]

I would have preferred it to be used without much publicity on the terrorists. Why publicise so much on every development? Let's use it discreetly without making a fuss.

Yup, there is always possibility that they may find an antidote...

 

[tarunraju]

Yup, there is always possibility that they may find an antidote...

Yeah, like a full on combat gas-mask. But that they will carry if they're preparing for tear-gas. This weapon is aimed at the majority of under-equipped, often ill-trained terrorists who carry cheap AK's and crude explosives.