India Fears China May Copycat its Military Doctrine

[Dovah]

cut the crap,your so called "cold start" is a kind of psychological warfare.the key point of its is let the counterpart or counterparts get clear that you can beat up them anytime. actually,if the war brakes out between india and china,i think missles will play the lead role,the regular army,like infantry,whose function will be dicounted a lot.

Cold start is for Pakistan, sheesh, did you even read the thread?

 

[Dovah]

not really,kung-fu sounds more you know masculine,which is for fight;yoga,well know for it body-build function,which is for looking.

In that case, you would need Yoga.

 

[vanwilder]

fair enough,maybe you are right.

In that case, you would need Yoga.

 

[agentperry]

you can learn it from tibetean monks vanwilder.... oops you annihilated them long back. hmm try paki yoga master they make you learn to think using thinking grenades.

 

[Armand2REP]

Given the infrastructure and force size PLA can put into place in the region, I think they would be better able to conduct Cold Start there than India. I think that is basically PLA's plan now. They have forward deployed Strike elements made of new equipment and an endless supply of older that can be brought up days and weeks later. They have unmanned airstrips in place to forward deploy squadrons when needed. In a matter of a couple weeks they could have an invasion force ready to move. India doesn't have time to match the infrastructure, so they need forces pre-positioned on high alert.

 

[Godless-Kafir]

Given the infrastructure and force size PLA can put into place in the region, I think they would be better able to conduct Cold Start there than India. I think that is basically PLA's plan now. They have forward deployed Strike elements made of new equipment and an endless supply of older that can be brought up days and weeks later. They have unmanned airstrips in place to forward deploy squadrons when needed. In a matter of a couple weeks they could have an invasion force ready to move. India doesn't have time to match the infrastructure, so they need forces pre-positioned on high alert.

Considering also the fact that New Delhi is much closer to China as opposed to Beijing which is very far from India. Only if we have aircraft's with low RCs can India penetrate deep into China to bomb Beijing! Geographically they have an upper hand i would guess.

The counter argument to this is that Tibet is even more harder to get from the Chinese side by land(roads) and moveing a massive army through Tibet would be more difficult than India moveing its army closer to Tibet and China. Ariel bombing of roads and infrastructure would make it much more harder for PLA to move towards India, compared to India moving inwards into Tibet.

The biggest question here would be, does India have loner range Radars, Missiles and Jammers compared to China to get their Aircrafts before they cant take IAF out, the US Red Flags showed that IAF had longer range Radars and Weapons than USAF but the huge RC compromises that advantage. The question is does PRC have long range Radars on its Su-30s that can match IAF. The IAF how ever has cherry picked its avionics from Local,Israeli,Russian and Western sources which may make it superior.

 

[Armand2REP]

Considering also the fact that New Delhi is much closer to China as opposed to Beijing which is very far from India. Only if we have aircraft's with low RCs can India penetrate deep into China to bomb Beijing! Geographically they have an upper hand i would guess.

And China has plenty of S-300 batteries they can move into theatre which would put a real hurt on any IAF incursions. Forget about bombing Beijing, it will be difficult just to operate around the LoC.

The counter argument to this is that Tibet is even more harder to get from the Chinese side by land(roads) and moveing a massive army through Tibet would be more difficult than India moveing its army closer to Tibet and China. Ariel bombing of roads and infrastructure would make it much more harder for PLA to move towards India, compared to India moving inwards into Tibet.

China has been building massive infrastructure so moving by land an army is easier for them than it is for India. Bombing road, rail and airstrips can only slow them down and even then you will not be able to do so unhindered... HQ-9, S-300 and even SHORAD is a threat to low level IAF bombers.

The biggest question here would be, does India have loner range Radars, Missiles and Jammers compared to China to get their Aircrafts before they cant take IAF out, the US Red Flags showed that IAF had longer range Radars and Weapons than USAF but the huge RC compromises that advantage. The question is does PRC have long range Radars on its Su-30s that can match IAF. The IAF how ever has cherry picked its avionics from Local,Israeli,Russian and Western sources which may make it superior.

Half of IAF is superior to PLAAF in avionics, but the sheer mass of PLAAF can make up for that. S-300s are a real equaliser if they move them in theatre. Plus you aren't going to be bombing the central Chinese targets while PLAAF can hit the core of India. India is at the disadvantage in both air and land IMO. The only advantage she has is control over shipping transiting the IOR.

 

[Ray]

Cold Start?

First of all, based on the professional soldiers such as Colonal of Engineer in WAB, the doctrine of both China and india were copy of USA. So, please, india was just another copycat.

Secondly, from the same source, Chinese has been working hard on their doctrine from army organisation to equipment, while indian's doctrine is still on the paper stage.

OoE is not the last word in tactics!

So, let us leave him out of this!

 

[Godless-Kafir]

And China has plenty of S-300 batteries they can move into theatre which would put a real hurt on any IAF incursions. Forget about bombing Beijing, it will be difficult just to operate around the LoC.

We have both Israeli and Russian Radar jammers so the missiles could be made to fire in the dark.

China has been building massive infrastructure so moving by land an army is easier for them than it is for India. Bombing road, rail and airstrips can only slow them down and even then you will not be able to do so unhindered... HQ-9, S-300 and even SHORAD is a threat to low level IAF bombers.

Yes but we have weapons to take them out not to mention India has S-300, Akash and Barak missiles.

Half of IAF is superior to PLAAF in avionics, but the sheer mass of PLAAF can make up for that. S-300s are a real equaliser if they move them in theatre. Plus you aren't going to be bombing the central Chinese targets while PLAAF can hit the core of India. India is at the disadvantage in both air and land IMO. The only advantage she has is control over shipping transiting the IOR.

Well the nukes make it a level playing field albeit for the dead. Yes china has several geographic and numeral advantages but if the ball is played right the Chinese may be in for a complete defeat. The S-300 are based around their cities and if they move it that only leaves there cities vulnerable and our AWACS and weapons location radars along with longer range missiles like the Prithive and brahmos can be made to take them out without interception. They have more aircraft but considering each fighter carries 4 AoA missiles that wont be a big problem. Quality over Quantity wins the day as far as AFs go.

 

[ace009]

Well, I am not sure that India CAN defeat China in an all out war for a long period. But, India can hurt China significantly (and be hurt more significantly too). Problem for the CCP will be that their economy and diplomatic clout will take a nosedive and hence they might have a military victory and a political defeat - which I am sure the CCP gerontocracy would NEVER want to do.
So, any India China war will be of short duration, with clear-cut tactical and strategic objectives and with limited escalation.

 

[no smoking]

OoE is not the last word in tactics!

So, let us leave him out of this!

No, I am not asking people to believe whatever he said.
I just point out that there is another possibility that bothsides just copy it from third party.

 

[Rehan's_Ninjato]

The greatest disadvantage that India has over China is its fragile leadership who are always apologetic in case China bullies India. There is absolutely no coordination between India's Military and political leadership and the former is never a part of the decision making body regarding the nation's security. So precisely if the Government head is strong, the nation is secure and if the Government head is apathetic towards the nation's security, its highly vulnerable irrespective of its military might. What India needs first is a Joint Chief of Staff which will report directly to the Prime Minister. Next, we need to stop our neighbors like Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Nepal from being used as minions against us and forge security pacts with South East Asian nations and Japan. India, being a stable democracy, does enjoy a more respectable position in the International community compared to Pakistan or China, but its practically meaningless to have distant friends when almost all our neighbors have grudges against us and can be more than easily teamed up against us by a third person with little effort.

 

[sesha_maruthi27]

The greatest disadvantage that India has over China is its fragile leadership who are always apologetic in case China bullies India. There is absolutely no coordination between India's Military and political leadership and the former is never a part of the decision making body regarding the nation's security. So precisely if the Government head is strong, the nation is secure and if the Government head is apathetic towards the nation's security, its highly vulnerable irrespective of its military might. What India needs first is a Joint Chief of Staff which will report directly to the Prime Minister. Next, we need to stop our neighbors like Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Nepal from being used as minions against us and forge security pacts with South East Asian nations and Japan. India, being a stable democracy, does enjoy a more respectable position in the International community compared to Pakistan or China, but its practically meaningless to have distant friends when almost all our neighbors have grudges against us and can be more than easily teamed up against us by a third person with little effort.

This is been happening only during Congress rule. This is the reason we lost 1962 war.

 

[Rehan's_Ninjato]

This is been happening only during Congress rule. This is the reason we lost 1962 war.

Actually its not about which party is in power. Its about how much the political leadership is connected with military leadership. Why, during 1967 and again in 87, China was given a bloody nose when they attempted to cross their lines and both of the times Congress was in power. As I said, we need a permanent authoritative body like JCOS which would actually take part in the nation's security decisions instead of leaving the job to dhoti-walas who don't even know the difference between guerrilla and gorilla.

 

[OsloInd]

Such doctrines cannot be used on tough terrains like the himalayas. Regardless of the natural defence, India should keep bolstering its defence on its eastern border as well.