How to tackle two hostile neghibors at the same time

[lion]

Dear friend,

We can't choose our neighbors, therefor we have to live with them...
We have china on east and pak on west...
Where china has been using pak against India to engage India on that front and at same time developing its own economy, military strength. Where as Pakistan has no other option to rely on china....
China and pak are both dependent on each other.
So, if war breaks out how India will take this challenge....
Is India prepared?
What should be our military doctrine to deal with this challenge...

Regards,

 

[drkrn]

Dear friend,


So, if war breaks out how India will take this challenge....
Is India prepared?

one word-no

usa has two front two major war doctrine which was abandoned recently
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...40418/Pentagon-abandons-two-war-doctrine.html.
i think its time for india to take up such doctrine

 

[WARREN SS]

India should firstly concerned abt Major threat which is pak as for China The Economic realationals btw to Nations are Still is major factor That is Preventing from serious war threat in the near future

 

[mikhail]

India should firstly concerned abt Major threat which is pak as for China The Economic realationals btw to Nations are Still is major factor That is Preventing from serious war threat in the near future

mate you got that completely wrong!China and not pakistan is the greatest threat faced by India at present.pakistan is merely a puppet playing in the hands of their chini commie masters.china is the one behind all the proxy wars that are being carried out against India.the reason why they are supporting all those insurgent groups is due to the fact that china doesn't want India to prosper and march ahead in the path of development as the chinis believe that only India can challenge their hegemony in Asia in the near future.so that's why they have resorted to the age old policy of "making India bleed by a thousand cuts" i.e. funding and helping all the anti-Indian insurgencies so that India can be bogged down fighting them and china in the mean time can move ahead smoothly.
most of the Indians don't realize the fact that china is the real enemy out there,on the contrary they believe it's pakistan who is causing all the damages to our Motherland!but one must face the ground reality here,pakistan is in no shape to pose a credible threat to the Union of India at the present scenario.on the other hand china is an extremely powerful enemy who is also very shrewd in it's calculative approach to keep India busy in it's own mess by creating more and more internal problems by the each passing day.ISI is merely working on behalf of it's CCP masters but the real brain behind all these is china.
so it's about time we recognize the real threat faced by our country at the present scenario and utilize our resources more carefully in containing this incoming chinese threat!!

 

[lion]

i agree with mikhail..
china is primary threat to India. Pakistan is like a monkey who had sword in his hand and can harm wihout thinking of results in return....

 

[WARREN SS]

mate you got that completely wrong!China and not pakistan is the greatest threat faced by India at present.pakistan is merely a puppet playing in the hands of their chini commie masters.china is the one behind all the proxy wars that are being carried out against India.the reason why they are supporting all those insurgent groups is due to the fact that china doesn't want India to prosper and march ahead in the path of development as the chinis believe that only India can challenge their hegemony in Asia in the near future.so that's why they have resorted to the age old policy of "making India bleed by a thousand cuts" i.e. funding and helping all the anti-Indian insurgencies so that India can be bogged down fighting them and china in the mean time can move ahead smoothly.
most of the Indians don't realize the fact that china is the real enemy out there,on the contrary they believe it's pakistan who is causing all the damages to our Motherland!but one must face the ground reality here,pakistan is in no shape to pose a credible threat to the Union of India at the present scenario.on the other hand china is an extremely powerful enemy who is also very shrewd in it's calculative approach to keep India busy in it's own mess by creating more and more internal problems by the each passing day.ISI is merely working on behalf of it's CCP masters but the real brain behind all these is china.
so it's about time we recognize the real threat faced by our country at the present scenario and utilize our resources more carefully in containing this incoming chinese threat!!

MAY BE YOU !!! RIGHT PAL BE PRACTICAL PAL YOU ARE REALLY THINK WE WILL CATCH UP WITH CHINA IN NEAR FUTURE EVEN GREAT POWER LIKE USA IS EXCEPT CHINA RISE IN THE FUTURE THE COUNTRY WERE 70% POPULATION LIVE BELOW POVERTY LINE STILL AFTER 66 YEARS INDEPENDENCE IAM A PATRIOT BUT BUT NOT A FANATIC IT WILL TAKE YEARS TOO RISE THIS COUNTRY TILL THEN WE CANNOT WAGE WAR WITH CHINA THERE IS SAYING "iF ENEMY IS WEAK STRIKE IT DOWN BUT IF HE IS STRONG WAIT FOR THE RIGHT TIME TOO STRIKE IN THE WAR ONE WHO HAVE BIG PATIENCE PREVAILS" QUATED FROM "art of war" san tuzu

 

[Ray]

Leave one to the Taliban Pakistan and the other to the Ugyhurs!

 

[chase]

India's long term challenge is China. Pakistan is just a meager pawn in the game which needs occasional whipping to tame it.
China is developing it's "comprehensive strength" whereas India is busy sorting out "seculars and communals."

Arun Shourie's research in this topic is informative.

 

[united THIEF kingdom]

May be 'divide & rule' formulae can help. Like if our gov bifurcate iaf & ia (not IN) in a certain ratio then we can give two diff targets to two diff country. It will end their common enemy (india) concept, because all the equipment (except indg. products), doctrine & every damn thing will be diff. We can put a "permanent" break in their deeper than pacific frienship/cooperation.
Am i wrong?? - need views from every senior member! Plz help...

 

[no smoking]

one word-no

usa has two front two major war doctrine which was abandoned recently
Pentagon abandons two-war doctrine - Telegraph.
i think its time for india to take up such doctrine

If USA's economy can't afford such doctrine, what make you think that India can?

 

[W.G.Ewald]

If USA's economy can't afford such doctrine, what make you think that India can?

India has more to lose or gain, perhaps. US must project force much further than India does to confront China. So it's a hard question to answer.

 

[W.G.Ewald]

Discussion Board: PLA Orbat against India

Summary of PLA strength in Lanzhou and Chengdu Military Regions

This summary is based on Concise World Armies (CWA) prepared by Ravi Rikhye of Orbat.Com and this version is from 2011 edition of CWA. The Group Armies under each MR are same as revealed by the latest White Paper on PLA by Chinese Government; the subordinate units are from CWA.

These two MR have been compiled here because in case of a shooting match between India and China, the first set of troops is likely to come from these regions. While nothing prevents PLA from sending crack formations from other MR like Beijing, one assumes that formations from these MR are equipped and trained for fighting in the demanding Tibetan terrain.

Another reason to assess the force levels in these MR is to check their peace time deployment locations. Much has been written about Chinese infrastructure in Tibet and consequently, its ability to move formations quickly into conflict zone(s) in Tibet across LAC. My preliminary assessment is that while roads on our side are not too great, the distance from peace time locations to forward areas is much shorter for India. So, while better roads may well allow PLA to move formations quickly, India will have sufficient warning and we can actually beat the PLA in dash to border.

More at link, including order of battle data..

 

[W.G.Ewald]

 

[W.G.Ewald]

From 2009.

Following is an order of battle for the Pakistani military, or a chart showing the command structure, unit responsibilities, and unit locations for different segments of the military. This document only lists officers, units, and bases which could be confirmed using open source material and as such does not represent an exhaustive list.

Order of Battle: Pakistani Military in FATA and Northwest Frontier Province | Critical Threats

 

[W.G.Ewald]

Interesting discussion here.

Bharat Rakshak "¢ View topic - Pakistan Army ORBAT

 

[drkrn]

If USA's economy can't afford such doctrine, what make you think that India can?

but its the need of the hour isn't it

 

[astrafan]

If USA's economy can't afford such doctrine, what make you think that India can?

First off, there's a distinct difference between Doctrine and doctrine execution, i.e.: the finer detail within.
If the americans insist on kobe beef to feed their soldier and other fancy pants BS that may or may not work in battle, you're right, they'd need to borrow all of China's foreign reserve and still can't afford to pull that off.
OTOH, if India pays attention to core objectives of such a doctrine........... she's more than enough.
:thumb:

 

[no smoking]

First off, there's a distinct difference between Doctrine and doctrine execution, i.e.: the finer detail within.
If the americans insist on kobe beef to feed their soldier and other fancy pants BS that may or may not work in battle, you're right, they'd need to borrow all of China's foreign reserve and still can't afford to pull that off.
OTOH, if India pays attention to core objectives of such a doctrine........... she's more than enough.
:thumb:

The money spent on US soldiers' cloth or food looks pale comparing to the price of the weapon imported by India.

 

[astrafan]

The money spent on US soldiers' cloth or food looks pale comparing to the price of the weapon imported by India.

You're contradicting your own stand.
So, is India spending crazy-axs amount of money on weapons or not?
US is spending money on bling-bling technology, only to realise, a few miles down the road that the efficacy of the said system is highly questionable.
Raw dakka is what matters, not designer hardware that may or may Not work in the field.
Yes, India is ridiculously dependant on imports on such defence hardware - for now.
You disagree that this isn't changing ?