Egypt Revolution Developments - Phase 2

[Blackwater]

^^^Don't be so cryptic. Not sure what exactly was the post about.
@SajeevJino @Blackwater The current interim president was previously in paris and later worked in saudi as some adviser before returning to egypt. As currently egypt is surviving to a large extent on doles provided by gcc/west. So maybe yes, west/saudi approved of his candidature. But how/when were his frictions with israel. Also what will america take away from egypt. Please elaborate

Interestingly saudis ,Israel,and amerika is happy with new regime

 

[TrueSpirit]

Egypt army opens fire on pro-Morsi protesters

At least three supporters of deposed President Morsi killed, as crowd marches on barracks where ousted leader is held.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/06/world/middleeast/egypt.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

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One of the allegedly biggest grouse of Egypt Military was: The Muslim Brotherhood led regime of getting increasingly inimical to Assad & sympathetic towards the Syrian rebels. Military felt that this attitude is not good for the country as this many lead to increased Talibanisation of the Egyptian society.

 

[SajeevJino]

Egypt troop movements across sinai had been informed beforehand to israel..

Yes ..they get official ANNOUNCEMENT before the Deployment ..but always a threat to Israel

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Also any pointers as to how you say that judge is puppet and has had tough relations with israel?? Whose puppet he is?? Please elaborate. Thanks.

Will Mansour be a puppet for the military leadership that put him in power?

Mansour was sworn in Thursday after deposed president Mohamed Morsi, Egypt's first democratically elected leader, was ousted and placed under arrest by the military.

Mansour assumed the job under a transitional plan that appointed the head of the country's High Constitutional Court as interim president.

Mansour became head of the court June 30 after the former chief judge retired. The judge will serve in the post of president until elections are held, a date undetermined so far.

Now, the spotlight is shining on a man about whom little is known.

Some analysts expect Mansour to be a figurehead for the military, which will retain power over the government.

"The military is just going to be pulling the strings," said Shashank Joshi, research fellow at the Royal United Services Institute in London. "That means the international community has to push very hard to make sure the constitution drafting process is inclusive and fair and credible and doesn't try to exclude Islamists from the process."

Other analysts weren't so sure the military wants to weigh back into politics, which provoked public outrage when it ruled after ousting Mubarak and until Morsi's election a year ago.

Military leaders "know what a thankless task it is," said Firas Abi Ali, a Middle East and North Africa analyst at IHS in London. "I think the military is doing its best not to present itself as governing directly but to put forward a civilian face. The objective is not to present this as a military takeover of power."

However, he added, the military has always been influential in Egypt. "If you look at the structure of public services, you find retired military men in all sorts of positions, so they have a lot of influence over bureaucracy," he said.

Who is Adly Mansour, new president of Egypt?

 

[SajeevJino]

@SajeevJino The current interim president was previously in paris and later worked in saudi as some adviser before returning to egypt. As currently egypt is surviving to a large extent on doles provided by gcc/west. So maybe yes, west/saudi approved of his candidature. But how/when were his frictions with israel. Also what will america take away from egypt. Please elaborate

The Saudis are happy with the regime change ..There has be a Little connections with the Judge and the Military leaders that's a worrying Situations here .Americans needs a Peoples elected President not a Army Leaders Puppet

Soon you Will understand about him ..!!!

 

[nrupatunga]

@Blackwater As the saying goes "A known devil is better than unknown angel". Egyptian army is a known devil for west and their protege israel. WRT gcc, they simply didn't want a rival movement which also has its origins in islamic doctrine.

Also MB was going the turkey's akp way (both are "freedom and justice party"). Though MB is no angel known or unknown. Basically egypts importance being it has suez canal(one of worlds imp trade passageway) and it being most populous arab nation. More like a pakistan, gets noticed mainly for its nuisance value.

 

[nrupatunga]

Americans needs a Peoples elected President not a Army Leaders Puppet

Are you serious on this. Just remember various paki army dictator or south korean army dictator rule or so called most "secular and mordern turkey " where army rule blessed by yanks. And various army dictator rulers in africa and latin america.

 

[SajeevJino]

Are you serious on this. Just remember various paki army dictator or south korean army dictator rule or so called most "secular and mordern turkey " where army rule blessed by yanks. And various army dictator rulers in africa and latin america.

If Military Leaders means Solution within days ..If peoples elected Person Is which takes months ...

 

[SajeevJino]

Really they have partnership

Egyptians believe Morsi in cahoots with US, Israel - Israel News, Ynetnews

 

[nrupatunga]

If Military Leaders means Solution within days ..If peoples elected Person Is which takes months ...

Am sorry but am totally as what was said here.

 

[SajeevJino]

Am sorry but am totally as what was said here.

Not only in Egypt all the countries in the world

If they have Problem with enemy countries such as Border dispute or Cross border Issues They start thinking Military Option against the Threat

If they have Elected one he thinks No of Options Such as Flag meetings Ministers level Talks and all other Diplomatic option if everything fails then only they consider Military option so that's takes some time to start the SKIRMISH

 

[jamesvaikom]

No one is going to be unhappy about the turn of events even though its a democratically elected govt. Egyptian army has full US backing. Its good to see them standing up against the Islamists.

I wish the US has similar sense in Syria and not backed the Islamist rebels.

If Islamists unite with each other then US will face more terror attacks. In past they spend huge money for war around the world. Now they are concentrating on proxy wars which cause more casualties by spending less money. Now they are supporting Islamists on some countries and secularists in other countries to make them look even. This will make Islamists give more importance to fight against secularists in Middle East than to do terror attacks in US. US will only do things good for them and not things good for the World.

 

[SajeevJino]

Phase 2 Started

36 dead, over 1,000 injured in clashes between Egyptian protesters - National Ambulance Service — RT News

 

[amoy]

Egypt - a top recipient of US aids

 

[W.G.Ewald]

Law requires Obama administration to cut off Egyptian aid | The Daily Caller

The $1.5 billion in U.S. foreign aid slated for Egypt next year is in jeopardy after the Egyptian army deposed democratically elected President Mohamed Morsi on Wednesday.

Section 508 of the decades-old Foreign Assistance Act stipulates that "none of the funds appropriated or otherwise made available pursuant to this Act shall be obligated or expended to finance directly any assistance to any country whose duly elected head of government is deposed by a military coup or decree."

A clause in the 2011 omnibus bill strengthens the provision, excluding from American aid any nation experiencing a "coup d'etat or decree in which the military plays a decisive role."

 

[TrueSpirit]

Thousands Gather to Celebrate Egypt's 'Second Revolution'

As Egypt's top leadership bickers about who will head the country's interim government, thousands have gathered in Cairo's Tahrir Square to celebrate what they are calling the "Second Revolution" - the military's ouster of President Mohamed Morsi last Wednesday. Amid the cheering is increasingly strident criticism of the United States and the Islamic Muslim Brotherhood that has rejected the idea of national reconciliation and insisted that Morsi must be reinstated.

It was the largest gathering of the week. Thousands of people, including families with their children, crowded into Tahrir Square one more time. This time, says dentist Dalia Ezzeldin, the crowds are celebrating the country's second revolution - the military's ouster of President Mohamed Morsi.

"I am here to encourage our army and our Egyptians and to support our revolution - it is not a coup. It's a revolution. I am here just to prove it's a revolution. It's not a coup. And to say to all the world over - we have a revolution."

The military deployed troops in the streets on fears of more violence. Earlier in the day, Muslim Brotherhood supporters also took to the streets, demanding that Morsi be returned to the presidency.

The military has arrested the top leadership of the Brotherhood, something Nagy Abdel Rasoul welcomes.

"They belong in jail. I hope you tell the world that this is a revolution. It's not a military coup. It's a revolution of a nation that has been tired for a full year, that is paying the price now, it was the biggest mistake in Egypt's history that they elected the Muslim Brotherhood to power."

And anger is growing at the apparent lack of support by U.S. President Barack Obama - who has said Washington does not back any particular Egyptian party of group.

"They are supporting their interests, their interests is with the Muslim Brotherhood, because of course they have certain agendas."

Egypt's military, which said it ousted Morsi in response to the will of the people, flew over the Square to the cheers of thousands, sending a clear message to those below as well as to Morsi supporters.

But as night fell on the Square, it was clear that the anti-Morsi protestors were not going to give up what they say they have won.

 

[TrueSpirit]

What next for the Muslim Brotherhood?

Just a few days ago, senior Muslim Brotherhood leaders were frequent speakers on Egyptian TV talk shows and radio stations. Now journalists and media people can hardly find any of them.

They are either in custody or have gone into hiding, as the arrest campaign by the military and police is widening by the day.

Prosecutors have already started questioning some of the detainees on charges of inciting the murder of protesters opposing ousted President Mohammed Morsi in recent clashes near Cairo University.

It is a serious setback to the group's well-organised hierarchy, says Mostafa al-Khatib, editor of the Justice and Development newspaper, the mouthpiece of the Brotherhood.

"Arrest warrants go non-stop," he said.

"The Mubarak-era oppressive tactics are back once again in a more ferocious form. They are arresting anyone carrying the group's identification cards."

On 30 June, millions of Egyptians poured into the streets of Cairo and many other cities to demand the resignation of Mr Morsi, whom they accuse of failing to address the country's worsening economic and social problems.

They once again converged on Tahrir square, the same place that witnessed massive demonstrations in 2011 that removed former long-time President Hosni Mubarak.

Backed by widespread popular support, the military stepped in to topple Mr Morsi, Egypt's first democratically elected leader.

Expecting arrest at any time, Mr Khatib says the crackdown does not, however, pose an existential threat to the group.

"Because we represent an ideology. We are not just a group of people."

Founded in 1928 by Hassan al-Banna, the Muslim Brotherhood is the country's largest and oldest Islamist organisation.

The Muslim Brotherhood was founded by Hassan al-Banna. The movement's ideology has evolved from "daawa" - or preaching for good morals and Islamic teachings - into a belief based on political Islam.

One of the group's stated aims is to create a state ruled by Islamic law, or sharia. Its most famous slogan is: "Islam is the solution".

The group was subject to oppression under successive military rulers from the 1950s, until they made big parliamentary and presidential wins after the 2011 revolution.

For many years, its leaders were forced to go underground. They are likely to do the same again now.

"If the Egyptians accept the military coup and its moves - which I'm sure proud and free Egyptians wouldn't - the Muslim Brotherhood might have to go underground again, as it would face more oppressive acts," said Mr Khatib.

He has been among thousands taking part in an open sit-in outside a mosque in east Cairo that has become a rallying point for the supporters of Mr Morsi.

They say they will not end their protest unless Mr Morsi is reinstated as the country's first democratically elected civilian president.

The generals say they were morally bound to intervene to prevent the country from spiralling into civil war, as Mr Morsi had proved to be a divisive leader who pitted Egyptians against one another.

Supporters of Mr Morsi have vowed to stay on the street until he is reinstated. The military handed power immediately to the head of the Supreme Constitutional Court, Adly Mansour. He was sworn in 4 July as interim president setting the stage for presidential elections.

The National Salvation Front (NSF), a coalition of leftist and liberal parties that is the main opposition force against Mr Morsi, justifies the crackdown.

"The country is going through exceptional circumstances and legal procedures have been followed in these arrests," said NSF spokesman Khalid Dawood.

He added that the Muslim Brotherhood leaders have incited violence "by calling for jihad and martyrdom after the removal of the president".

Time for change? The rhetoric used by Muslim Brotherhood members and clerics in recent month has alarmed many Egyptians, including some of those who brought Mr Morsi to power.

"The group has not lived up to the people's expectations and alienated many of the Egyptians by their power-grabbing approach and turning a blind eye to the rise of hardliners, who jumped on its cloak in an atmosphere of free politics," said Hosameldin Elsayed, author of several books on political Islam.

Mr Elsayed believes that the Brotherhood has committed a series of strategic mistakes that triggered a military-backed public uprising and the removal of Mr Morsi after just one year in office.

To survive, Mr Elsayed adds, the Brotherhood needs a radical transformation.

"The young generation has lost faith in the group's leaders, who have become synonymous with failure," he notes.

"The young should take over and adopt a heard-headed approach. The group under the current leaders is rushing to its own death."

 

[TrueSpirit]

An interview with Egypt's chief justice, Adly Mansour: the country's interim leader after the military deposed President Mohammed Morsi.

What happened?

The head of the armed forces, Gen Abdul Fattah al-Sisi, announced late on Wednesday that the constitution had been suspended and that Mr Mansour would oversee an interim period with a technocratic government until presidential and parliamentary elections are held.

The country's highest Islamic authority, the Grand Sheikh of al-Azhar, and the head of the Coptic Church, as well as leading opposition figure Mohammed ElBaradei all spoke after the general, giving their approval.

Earlier troops backed by armoured vehicles secured key sites in the capital, Cairo, as hundreds of thousands of opposition protesters and Mr Morsi's Islamic supporters took to the streets.

Who is Mohammed Morsi and how did he become Egyptian leader?

Mohammed Morsi rose through the ranks of Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood, an Islamist movement that was banned for decades, becoming chairman of its political wing, the Freedom and Justice Party.

He narrowly won the presidential vote in June 2012, becoming Egypt's first democratically elected president. That election, which was generally considered free and fair, followed a turbulent period of military rule after long-time leader Hosni Mubarak was ousted in February 2011.

President Mubarak, who ruled for almost 30 years, was forced from power by large-scale demonstrations. Protesters said they were fed up with high levels of poverty, corruption and unemployment in the Arab world's largest country.

What triggered the latest protests?

During Mr Morsi's year in office, he fell out with key institutions and sectors of society, and was seen by many Egyptians as doing little to tackle the country's pressing economic and social problems.

Egypt became ever more polarised between Mr Morsi's Islamist supporters and their opponents, including leftists, liberals and secularists.

On 30 June 2013 millions took to the streets to mark the first anniversary of the president's inauguration, in a protest organised by the grassroots Tamarod (Rebel) movement.

The protests prompted the military to warn President Morsi on 1 July that it would intervene and impose its own "roadmap" if he did not satisfy the public's demands within 48 hours.

As the deadline approached, Mr Morsi insisted that he was Egypt's legitimate leader. He warned that any effort to remove him by force could plunge the country into chaos.

Why did the military act now?

With no political resolution to the crisis, and the death toll from clashes associated with the unrest growing, the Egyptian military seized power in an apparent effort to avoid the country falling into chaos.

The military is the most powerful government entity, and many say it operates like a state within a state. Military-owned businesses make up a significant proportion of Egypt's gross national product.

What will happen next?

Mr Mansour is taking charge during a "transitional period until a new president is elected," Gen Sisi said.

The general did not define the length of the transitional period or what role the military would play, if any. He also promised "not to exclude anyone or any movement" and called for measures to "empower youths and integrate them in state institutions".

What has happened to Mohammed Morsi?

The ousted president is under house arrest at an undisclosed location, as are many of his team.

The Muslim Brotherhood's leader, General Guide Mohammed Badie, has been arrested. Warrants have also been issued for the arrest of his powerful deputy, Khairat al-Shater, and other senior Islamist figures.

The Brotherhood has said it will not work with the military-backed political process. Abdel Rahman al-Barr, a senior Brotherhood figure sometimes described as the group's mufti, called on supporters "to show self-restraint and stay peaceful".

 

[t_co]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/09/world/middleeast/egypt.html?pagewanted=all

CAIRO — Egyptian soldiers fired on hundreds of supporters of ousted President Mohamed Morsi before dawn Monday as they were praying outside the facility where he was believed to be detained, dozens of witnesses said. Egypt's military said armed assailants fired on the soldiers first.

At least 51 civilians were killed, all or most of them shot, and more than 300 wounded, doctors and health officials said. Security officials said one police officer died as well.

If reports are accurate, this is going to get real ugly, real fast. I could not come up with a worse incident to radicalize the MB. Seriously, shooting on protesters as they were kneeling for dawn prayers? What's next, burning down a mosque during Ramadan?

 

[IBSA]

Egypt seems it will run the same way of Syria.

Dozens of Mursi followers killed in a shootout, Egypt army surrounds the Moslem Brotherhood HQ, and a sheik claimed by a uprising against Egyptian Army.

Things are becoming worse so fastly.

 

[Himanshu Pandey]

the way army has reacted there.. soon Muslim brotherhood will go in armed resistance and this will be a start of civil war in egypt