Crimea crisis sharpens Latvia ethnic tensions

[Peter]

USSR and NAZI Germany were initially allies in WW2. Russians paid for their deal with the devil. That said, Allies were equally bastardous

Stalin himself was responsible for 20 million Russian deaths.Check out this wiki

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[Peter]

Stalin was Georgian. Do they hate the Georgians ?
And no, Stalin did not replace them with "Russians", he replaced them with Soviets. Russians happen to be the largest Soviet ethnicity. And these Soviets did not just come there and squat, they helped in industrially developing the big cities of these countries. That is why cities like Riga (capital of Latvia) are around 50% ethnic Russian.

There have been major CIA sponsored operations in Europe to persuade the local population to turn against the Soviets (Russians in particular). These are called psy-ops and one of the ways they do it is using the media. For example you will see that dozens upon dozens of movies (esp. during the cold war period) have been released by the Hollywood portraying Russians as evil or as the bad guys. You will see the movies of the Soviet Union rarely doing such a thing. You can find such information on the net, but you'll have to keep your Russia-hating aside and try to find views from both sides.

Also note that there has been a large Russian minority in Latvia since at least the 16th century, long before the Soviet Union was born.

Well Stalin did deport a lot of Latvians.He replaced them with Soviets.His agenda might have been to turn Latvia into a smaller Russia or a place where Latvians themselves were in minority(ala Bengal partition).Btw how can you justify the deportations or the fleeing of Latvians away from Soviet Army?

 

[Mad Indian]

Stalin himself was responsible for 20 million Russian deaths.Check out this wiki

Joseph Stalin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Necessary "sacrifice" to achieve equality and Socialism

 

[Razor]

Well Stalin did deport a lot of Latvians.He replaced them with Soviets.His agenda might have been to turn Latvia into a smaller Russia or a place where Latvians themselves were in minority(ala Bengal partition).

You avoided the question I asked earlier. Stalin is Georgian and you say Stalin deported Latvians. So do the Latvians hate Georgians ?

Well, at that time Latvia was part of Soviet Union, so you can not really oppose people from one part moving to another. But yeah forced migration would be wrong (unless there are some extraordinary circumstances like war.)

Btw how can you justify the deportations or the fleeing of Latvians away from Soviet Army?

Have I justified it in any of my posts ? Please prove it then.

I will preempt and ask you to keep the thread on topic with regards to Latvia and the situation there.
For socialism and other stuff, it is better to open another thread so that this thread isn't derailed. I won't be commenting on that thread btw, coz my economics is not very good.

 

[Pratap]

You avoided the question I asked earlier. Stalin is Georgian and you say Stalin deported Latvians. So do the Latvians hate Georgians ?

Well, at that time Latvia was part of Soviet Union, so you can not really oppose people from one part moving to another. But yeah forced migration would be wrong (unless there are some extraordinary circumstances like war.)

Stalin acted as a fanatic Russian exterminating other ethnicities besides Russian so whether he was Georgian or Armenian is useless. Imagine Tamils deported to Assam and Assamese deported to MP so that Biharis can go there. Would you support that?
Latvia had as much right to( even more) than India to ask for freedom against Russian bear.
I understand international politics which is based on law of jungle but no need to engage in shameless and morally bankrupt denial of Russian atrocities against Baltic, Polish, Tatars, Siberians and Kazakhs.

 

[Pratap]

USSR and NAZI Germany were initially allies in WW2. Russians paid for their deal with the devil. That said, Allies were equally bastardous

Russian rapes in Germany prove that they were most bastardous. USSR was as much guilty of war crimes as Nazi Germany.

 

[Mad Indian]

Russian rapes in Germany prove that they were most bastardous. USSR was as much guilty of war crimes as Nazi Germany.

It was done under a socialist/communist regime. So it falls under "necessary sacrifice" area- for equality, justice and fairness. Hence, it was not wrong

 

[Razor]

Stalin acted as a fanatic Russian exterminating other ethnicities besides Russian so whether he was Georgian or Armenian is useless. Imagine Tamils deported to Assam and Assamese deported to MP so that Biharis can go there. Would you support that?
Latvia had as much right to( even more) than India to ask for freedom against Russian bear.
I understand international politics which is based on law of jungle but no need to engage in shameless and morally bankrupt denial of Russian atrocities against Baltic, Polish, Tatars, Siberians and Kazakhs.

Atrocities took place from both sides, tell me where I have denied it. The problem occurs when some people here keep pointing at the log in somebody else's eyes while forgetting the log in one's own eye.
And Stalin acting as a fanatic Russian is BS. There was no preference for Russian ethnics in SU government, only thing was that you need to be able to speak Russian. I would also say Russians lost a lot due to the Soviet Union too. They lost what is now Eastern and Southern Ukraine. They lost large chunks of land in N.Kazakhstan. In both cases in spite of local populations being against such a move the land was gifted to Ukr and Kazakh by Soviet leaders. So your claim that he and other Soviet leaders acted as "fanatic" Russians is BS.

And the fact that atrocities happened in the past doesn't mean Latvians can deny ethnic Russians living in Latvia their rights.

 

[Razor]

People can keep whining about what happened in past and who was more "bastardous".
What matters is now, Europe ganging up on Russia, will only strengthen China. And Europe acting like a footstool for America will only weaken Europe.

Co-operation with Russia will actually benefit Europe.
And ideas like Russia will take over Europe are ridiculous. They have the largest land area, among the least population densities. They actually want a strong economy and better life for Russians, not populated, densely packed, resource-less European land.
But of course ill-treating ethnic Russians will receive appropriate response from Russia.

 

[sam80]

Stalin acted as a fanatic Russian exterminating other ethnicities besides Russian so whether he was Georgian or Armenian is useless. Imagine Tamils deported to Assam and Assamese deported to MP so that Biharis can go there. Would you support that?
Latvia had as much right to( even more) than India to ask for freedom against Russian bear.
I understand international politics which is based on law of jungle but no need to engage in shameless and morally bankrupt denial of Russian atrocities against Baltic, Polish, Tatars, Siberians and Kazakhs.

Look , It was "Ancient time" . You Language is very much influenced by American Propaganda Machine .

Do you think there is any county where Atrocities didn't happen ? It's everywhere in world . Remember Americans Supported Massacre of Bangladeshis Actively , Number of People killed there were no less than Holocaust , but did you ever hear noise about that compare to Holocaust ? ......... It's all about what you want to sell !!

 

[Pratap]

Look , It was "Ancient time" . You Language is very much influenced by American Propaganda Machine .

Do you think there is any county where Atrocities didn't happen ? It's everywhere in world . Remember Americans Supported Massacre of Bangladeshis Actively , Number of People killed there were no less than Holocaust , but did you ever hear noise about that compare to Holocaust ? ......... It's all about what you want to sell !!

I am not selling anything. I am only saying that if you want to have friendship with Russia, have it as we live in jungle where you will be eaten unless you play your cards wisely but what is point in defending Russians? Why Latvians are wrong when they " whine" about real soviet invasions? Have your relations with Russians but do not use that as a tool to justify .

I do believe that compared to US and British army, Russians have far brutal record. It is just that they are incompetent. Russians wiped out one third of Kazakhastan, what did US do?

 

[Pratap]

People can keep whining about what happened in past and who was more "bastardous".
What matters is now, Europe ganging up on Russia, will only strengthen China. And Europe acting like a footstool for America will only weaken Europe.

Co-operation with Russia will actually benefit Europe.
And ideas like Russia will take over Europe are ridiculous. They have the largest land area, among the least population densities. They actually want a strong economy and better life for Russians, not populated, densely packed, resource-less European land.
But of course ill-treating ethnic Russians will receive appropriate response from Russia.

Justifying adultery of mother Russia! It is not European ganging up on Russia, rather Russians expanding which led EU to reconsider its relations with it.
This will only strengthen Chinese and you are right but is it not a fact that most of arms of China are already supplied by Russia?
The Indian russophiles shut up their mouth on massive arms export of Russia to China but whine about US doing same to Pakistan. In 62, China killed Indian soldiers with Russian arms and I do not know if our intelligentsia used graphics to prove that Russians killed Indians like they did with Indo Pakistan wars in which Pak used military hardware of US.

USA is as bad as Russia but it was this nation which supported India in 62 and in post 1945 when British were reluctant to give up their Indian jewel. Your soviet fatherland was promoting communists who were rebelling against Indian Union and not once USSR supported Indian demand for freedom like Chiang Kai Shek AND FD Roosevelt.

 

[Razor]

Justifying adultery of mother Russia! It is not European ganging up on Russia, rather Russians expanding which led EU to reconsider its relations with it.
This will only strengthen Chinese and you are right but is it not a fact that most of arms of China are already supplied by Russia?
The Indian russophiles shut up their mouth on massive arms export of Russia to China but whine about US doing same to Pakistan. In 62, China killed Indian soldiers with Russian arms and I do not know if our intelligentsia used graphics to prove that Russians killed Indians like they did with Indo Pakistan wars in which Pak used military hardware of US.

USA is as bad as Russia but it was this nation which supported India in 62 and in post 1945 when British were reluctant to give up their Indian jewel. Your soviet fatherland was promoting communists who were rebelling against Indian Union and not once USSR supported Indian demand for freedom like Chiang Kai Shek AND FD Roosevelt.

Take your whining to your AIT thread, kid.

 

[Pratap]

Take your whining to your AIT thread, kid.

Grandpa, it seems that you have no answers on Russia supplying arms to China and not doing anything in 1962 or not supporting Indian freedom.
On AIT thread, I am arguing how Indians are related to Russians( slavs in general) so may be you will be happy knowing that modern day Indian love for Russia may have causes of respect towards ancestors.

 

[Razor]

Grandpa, it seems that you have no answers on Russia supplying arms to China and not doing anything in 1962 or not supporting Indian freedom.
On AIT thread, I am arguing how Indians are related to Russians( slavs in general) so may be you will be happy knowing that modern day Indian love for Russia may have causes of respect towards ancestors.

Grandson, it's not like India buys only from Russia, is it ? There is much more to it, and this isn't the thread for it.

 

[Pratap]

Grandson, it's not like India buys only from Russia, is it ? There is much more to it, and this isn't the thread for it.

OK . I hope that Latvians are not eaten up in belly of Russian bear. They (latvians)must be brutal and tough with Russians living in Latvia and should try to eliminate language of them so that they forget their identity.

 

[sam80]

I am not selling anything. I am only saying that if you want to have friendship with Russia, have it as we live in jungle where you will be eaten unless you play your cards wisely but what is point in defending Russians? Why Latvians are wrong when they " whine" about real soviet invasions? Have your relations with Russians but do not use that as a tool to justify .

I do believe that compared to US and British army, Russians have far brutal record. It is just that they are incompetent. Russians wiped out one third of Kazakhastan, what did US do?

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Cool Down ! you are talking like You are Latvian and you are defending your "Latvianiya" from Russians . Like India-Pak. It's not Even Related to India any way .


Ukraine is country which was Selling Arms to Pakistan.

 

[Pratap]

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Cool Down ! you are talking like You are Latvian and you are defending your "Latvianiya" from Russians . Like India-Pak. It's not Even Related to India any way .


Ukraine is country which was Selling Arms to Pakistan.

And Russia sold all arms that killed our soldiers in 62. Russia did not support Indian freedom struggle . Even if Ukraine sold arms, the fact that it suffered some of the darkest periods in human history of 20th century can not be nullified. Pak is our enemy but so is China.
BTW, Ukrainian arms will kill less Indians than Russian arms have killed in 62.

 

[sam80]

And Russia sold all arms that killed our soldiers in 62. Russia did not support Indian freedom struggle . Even if Ukraine sold arms, the fact that it suffered some of the darkest periods in human history of 20th century can not be nullified. Pak is our enemy but so is China.
BTW, Ukrainian arms will kill less Indians than Russian arms have killed in 62.

No , China was customer of Russia and Until 1962 attack "Hindi-Chini" were "Bhaiee-Bhaiee" . Correct your facts Russia Was on Indian Side During 1962 war.


It was Russia who Stood up when American Sponsored Pakistani Pigs were mascaraed Millions of Bangladeshi Hindus in Bangladesh .. American And British no less than Anyone .



Kazakhastan is Muslim Country we don't know what condition was there , but thanks to Russia/Communism it is one of the few Peaceful Muslim countries on earth today .


You decide things on very Broad Picture like "Russia Banning geeta" things many times much complex than we see it.

 

[Pratap]

No , China was customer of Russia and Until 1962 attack "Hindi-Chini" were "Bhaiee-Bhaiee" . Correct your facts Russia Was on Indian Side During 1962 war.


It was Russia who Stood up when American Sponsored Pakistani Pigs were mascaraing Millions of Bangladeshi Hindus in Bangladesh .. American And British no less than Anyone .



Kazakhastan is Muslim Country we don't know what condition was there , but thanks to Russia/Communism it is one of the few Peaceful Muslim countries on earth today .


You decide things on very Broad Picture like "Russia Banning geeta" things many times much complex than we see it.

No , China was customer of Russia and Until 1962 attack "Hindi-Chini" were "Bhaiee-Bhaiee" . Correct your facts Russia Was on Indian Side During 1962 war.

And Pakistan is customer of USA. You need to correct your facts as Russia did not help India at all, Nehru begged Kennedy and by 29 October, airsupplies began to arrive. Russian spokesperson sided with Chinese at that time.

It was Russia who Stood up when American Sponsored Pakistani Pigs were mascaraing Millions of Bangladeshi Hindus in Bangladesh .. American And British no less than Anyone .

We had burnt our boat with them. BD Hindus did not get justice because of our shamelessness and we had to wage a war. We made an enemy out of USA and we know how moralless USA and Russia are.

Kazakhastan is Muslim Country we don't know what condition was there , but thanks to Russia/Communism it is one of the few Peaceful Muslim countries on earth today .

You are justifying massacre of millions by argument that it is peaceful now! Speak for yourself, I very well know conditions there. It was big daddy USSR sucking up wheat from Kazakhastan and capturing livestock which led to deaths. It was done deliberately at insistence of Stalin who wanted to make homogenous country as just after that he sent lot of Russians there.

You decide things on very Broad Picture like "Russia Banning geeta" things many times much complex than we see it

Yes I am a stupid as I raise points regarding ethics and expose double speak of our elites who suffer from soviet orphan nature. I hate USA as much as Russia unlike you all who weep for Iraq but support rape of Latvia and Poland.

Long live Latvia.