Chinese boy, 10, jumps to death 'on teacher's order'

[Ray]

Chinese boy, 10, jumps to death 'on teacher's order'

BEIJING--A 10-year-old Chinese boy jumped 30 floors to his death after failing to write a self-criticism letter demanded by his teacher, state media reported Thursday.

The fifth-grade primary school student had been ordered to write a 1,000-character apology by his teacher for talking in class, China National Radio (CNR) reported on its website, citing a neighbor.

The educator allegedly told him to jump out of a building after he failed to complete the task, the report quoted relatives and the neighbor as saying.

"Teacher, I can't do it," was found written in one of his textbooks, CNR said. "I flinched several times when I tried to jump from the building."

The child smashed into a parked car beneath the flat where his family lives, the West China City News reported.

His furious relatives posted a banner outside the school in the southwestern city of Chengdu reading: "The teacher forced our child to jump off the building," pictures showed Thursday.

"The police investigation is still under way," an official of Jinjiang district, where the incident happened, told AFP, declining to comment further.

Strict discipline is an essential part of China's education system and culture and tradition demands deference to authority, putting children under pressure to obey instructions.

The news provoked sadness and sympathy on Sina Weibo, a Chinese equivalent of Twitter.

"How can a guy like this be a teacher?" wrote one poster. "Who gave him the right to speak in this way? Why does the student have this kind of blind obedience?"


Chinese boy, 10, jumps to death 'on teacher's order' - The China Post

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Incredible!

What type of country is China?

It is unbelievable that the Communist indoctrination of the people's mind can go to such horrific extent where the person is sold to authorities in mind and body.

And to note the paeans sung by the Chinese posters about China and its wonders and how 'free' they are and all that tripe!

I still can't believe that this can happen on Planet Earth!

 

[kseeker]

Chinese boy, 10, jumps to death 'on teacher's order' - The China Post

Sad news

Incredible!

What type of country is China?

It is unbelievable that the Communist indoctrination of the people's mind can go to such horrific extent where the person is sold to authorities in mind and body.

And to note the paeans sung by the Chinese posters about China and its wonders and how 'free' they are and all that tripe!

I still can't believe that this can happen on Planet Earth!

They have already sold their souls to CCP ! What can be expected from such a lot ?

 

[Ray]

They have already sold their souls to CCP ! What can be expected from such a lot ?

That is so evident from their posts!

They do not possess the freedom and independence that we have and so they go ballistics in frutration at their sad state of mental captivity.

They are also human and so they too want to be free.

But they can't!

That is why the wail when, in response to their demeaning India and its civic sense, we post images of the Chinese urinating and defecating in subways, roads and trains and even airplanes and they call that pornography.

Cry babies!

Pictures tell a 1000 words!

 

[dhananjay1]

'self-criticism' is just a rational sounding word for self loathing rhetoric that is expected of loyal communists. Their history is full of commie leaders demanding 'self criticism' from everyone and one another in which a guy is expected to say how totally worthless piece of crap he is. A very Christian concept. They also have a euphemism for state approved abuse, it called 'to struggle against'. So commies don't beat the living daylight out of someone, they 'struggle against him'.

 

[W.G.Ewald]

'self-criticism' is just a rational sounding word for self loathing rhetoric that is expected of loyal communists. Their history is full of commie leaders demanding 'self criticism' from everyone and one another in which a guy is expected to say how totally worthless piece of crap he is. A very Christian concept. They also have a euphemism for state approved abuse, it called 'to struggle against'. So commies don't beat the living daylight out of someone, they 'struggle against him'.

Jihad is also "struggle." Interesting.

 

[rockdog]

Chinese boy, 10, jumps to death 'on teacher's order'


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Incredible!

What type of country is China?

It is unbelievable that the Communist indoctrination of the people's mind can go to such horrific extent where the person is sold to authorities in mind and body.

And to note the paeans sung by the Chinese posters about China and its wonders and how 'free' they are and all that tripe!

I still can't believe that this can happen on Planet Earth!

You don't need to connect all the sad case in China with CCP. In East Asia, Education and Respect to Teacher is the root of sprite in the society.

Sometimes this kind of tradition went to far like this case.

Japan and S.Korea reach 99% literacy, and China is 92%, even China is a developing nation. Comparing India's poor 65-70% literacy, you can see how Chinese people take the education seriously, even sometimes it goes extreme.

 

[rockdog]

Chinese boy, 10, jumps to death 'on teacher's order'


********************************************************************

Incredible!

What type of country is China?

It is unbelievable that the Communist indoctrination of the people's mind can go to such horrific extent where the person is sold to authorities in mind and body.

And to note the paeans sung by the Chinese posters about China and its wonders and how 'free' they are and all that tripe!

I still can't believe that this can happen on Planet Earth!

You don't need to connect all the sad case in China with CCP. In East Asia, Education and Respect to Teacher is the root of sprite in the society.

Sometimes this kind of tradition went to far like this case.

Japan and S.Korea reach 99% literacy, and China is 92%, even China is a developing nation. Comparing India's poor 65-70% literacy, you can see how Chinese people take the education seriously, even sometimes it goes extreme.

 

[Ray]

You don't need to connect all the sad case in China with CCP. In East Asia, Education and Respect to Teacher is the root of sprite in the society.

Sometimes this kind of tradition went to far like this case.

Japan and S.Korea reach 99% literacy, and China is 92%, even China is a developing nation. Comparing India's poor 65-70% literacy, you can see how Chinese people take the education seriously, even sometimes it goes extreme.

Literacy does not condone indoctrination, or does it?

Literacy simply means to be able to read and write. Education, on the other hand, means to acquire knowledge to enhance one's ability to reason and make sound judgement: However, when one is instructed to only view things in a certain manner, regardless of truth and facts, this is actually a form of programming - not education.

 

[rockdog]

Literacy does not condone indoctrination, or does it?

Literacy simply means to be able to read and write. Education, on the other hand, means to acquire knowledge to enhance one's ability to reason and make sound judgement: However, when one is instructed to only view things in a certain manner, regardless of truth and facts, this is actually a form of programming - not education.

Education in East Asia nations all has such kind of problem: "over disciplined and lack of encouragement of innovative and independent thinking". That's why this case in China is very extreme, and received lots of criticism.

But i think comparing the sentimental literacy rate of India, at least East Asia societies are encouraging people to learn things. I really don't understand why after 60 years of independence, there are still 300-400 million people are still can't read or write anything, let alone the "disciplined", how can such a big "uneducated" group to support a nation's development. I think this is a very key reason, why the India-subcontinent's social and economical development is decades behind East Asia nations, no matter which system they are...

How's your point of view?

 

[Ray]

Education in East Asia nations all has such kind of problem: "over disciplined and lack of encouragement of innovative and independent thinking". That's why this case in China is very extreme, and received lots of criticism.

But i think comparing the sentimental literacy rate of India, at least East Asia societies are encouraging people to learn things. I really don't understand why after 60 years of independence, there are still 300-400 million people are still can't read or write anything, let alone the "disciplined", how can such a big "uneducated" group to support a nation's development. I think this is a very key reason, why the India-subcontinent's social and economical development is decades behind East Asia nations, no matter which system they are...

How's your point of view?

I find what you have written -"over disciplined and lack of encouragement of innovative and independent thinking" - is applicable to most of Asian countries.

We give a very high degree of importance to knowledge and education and of that, there is no doubt. Even Obama has commented favourably about Asian Americans.

In India, literacy has gone up manifold inspite of unsatisfactory infrastructure, but one wonders if it has translated to education.

In India, even caning or hitting a pupil is banned by law and many who have overlooked this are already jailed or having court cases against them!

 

[rockdog]

I find what you have written -"over disciplined and lack of encouragement of innovative and independent thinking" - is applicable to most of Asian countries.

I don't know whether it only applies East Asia nations or the whole Asia.

One funny thing is, on some forum like BCMTouring India Travel Forum and Community ;
Some Indian back from China always admire Chinese traffic situation as efficient, and Car, bicycle, People are quite disciplined on their own lances.

On the other hand, when Chinese back from Japan and S.Korea, they had more criticism on China's own traffic system and people's undisciplined behavior.

I have seen pictures from friends back from India, Cars, trucks, holy cows, motorcycles, bikes, walking people are mixed in the same lane... that's quite shocking.

In our elementary school, there are special education on traffic issue, i can't imagine that, if 35% of Indian don't read and write, where they would receive such basic education.

Maybe people has different understanding of "discipline".

We give a very high degree of importance to knowledge and education and of that, there is no doubt. Even Obama has commented favourably about Asian Americans.

In India, literacy has gone up manifold inspite of unsatisfactory infrastructure, but one wonders if it has translated to education.

In India, even caning or hitting a pupil is banned by law and many who have overlooked this are already jailed or having court cases against them!

Yep, i know the India has very detailed and complicated British style law system. But this kind law really get executed in the root of society?
Just like Caste system is against law, but the discrimination to Dalits is well known in the world.

May i say this is also caused by low literacy of India, make the 300-400 million people don't write and read, let alone understand the law?

 

[Ray]

I don't know whether is only applies East Asia nations or the whole Asia. One funny thing is, on some forum like BCMTouring India Travel Forum and Community ;
Some Indian back from China always admire Chinese traffic situation is efficient, and Car, bicycle, People are quite disciplined on their own lances.

Indeed, there are many good things about China that one could learn about.

You have wide roads,

Beijing has five ring roads or so I heard.

Now that is terrific.

Ideal for driving in a sensible way.

On the other hand, when Chinese back from Japan and S.Korea, they had more criticism on China's own traffic system, and people's undisciplined behavior.

Maybe people has different understanding of "discipline".

I am told that Tokyo's traffic is a nightmare.

Discipline is a cultural thing.

Yep, i know the India has very detailed and complicated British style law system. But this kind law really get executed in the root of society?
Just like Caste system is against law, but the discrimination to Dalits is well known in the world.

May i say this is also caused by low literacy of India, make the 300-400 million people don't write and read, let alone understand the law?

This Dalit thing is very exciting talking point for non Indians and an ideal thing to make it the whipping boy for India on every count.

The caste system is only on paper.

In fact, people try to get to be declared Dalits so that they can reap the benefits.

Even today there is such a case

Evidence of conducting puja alone cannot define a Hindu, says HC

CHENNAI: Holding that not conducting puja by a Hindu in puja room regularly cannot be a conclusive proof to declare that he is not a Hindu, the Madras high court has quashed cancellation of community certificate of a dalit panchayat president, who had reconverted from Christianity.

A division bench comprising Justice N Paul Vasanthakumar and Justice K Ravichandra Baabu, concurring with the submissions of senior advocate K Duraisamy on Thursday, said the village administrative officer and the revenue divisional officer were not correct in concluding that K Vasikaran was not a Hindu, merely because his house had a puja room but there was no evidence of prayer/puja there. They also reported that words from the Bible were found at the house and a cross had been inscribed on its pillars.

Vasikaran was elected president of Gerugambakkam panchayat, which is a local body reserved for dalits, in October 2011. After the poll loss, his rival candidate moved the state election commission to strip him of the post, saying he was a Christian and that his community certificate too should be cancelled. The matter was referred to the revenue authorities for filing of a report.

The officials visited his home and held inquiries before submitting a report favouring cancellation of the dalit certificate.

Vasikaran said the district collector had sent his notices to an addressee K Victor, which was his name when he was Christian. He had become a Hindu by undergoing a 'shuddhi' ceremony by the Arya Samaj at Chennai, and a certificate too has been given by the organisation. Noting that his community has accepted him, he said he had polled more than 2,600 votes, which was another indication of acceptance by his community.

Concurring with him, the bench said Vasikaran had been described as a dalit in his school certificate in 1989. The Sriperumpudur tahsildar issued a proper community certificate in 1996. But, his poll rivals had not raked up his caste status before the election, the bench said.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...fine-a-Hindu-says-HC/articleshow/25008532.cms

The majority of our Ministers are either Dalits or OBC and many are from the minority religions.

Note: Justice N Paul Vasanthakumar is a converted person himself and he is holding such a high post. No discrimination.

Though the officials visited the home of K Vasikaran and held inquiries and found that words from the Bible were found at the house and a cross had been inscribed on its pillars but no evidence of a Hindu prayer/puja there . before submitting a report favouring cancellation of the Dalit certificate he was declared a Dalit!

So, you can easily see how advantageous it is to be a Dalit and how people do everything to prove that he is a Dalit, even if he is not one, for the fish and loaves of office and perks!

There is no discrimination and in fact, they are now the 'neo Brahmins' or 'Constitutional Brahmins' as everything is loaded in their favour.

Therefore, all this Dalit business is more of a circus that foreign love to indulge in.

Lack of education or poor numbers is because of lack of infrastructure and is not dependent on religion, caste or being a Dalit etc.

 

[hbogyt]

Ray never misses any opportunity to bash the Chinese government. He is wrong in this case and there is nothing further to discuss.

 

[Ray]

Ray never misses any opportunity to bash the Chinese government. He is wrong in this case and there is nothing further to discuss.

Pray how am I bashing China?

I have only said that the system overloads discipline to obey without question and that leads to disastrous results.

I have also acknowledged that the Indian literacy is not commendable compared to China.

So, that becomes bashing?

Since when have sentences like - indeed, there are many good things about China that one could learn about. become China bashing.

Weird and apparently daft!

 

[hbogyt]

Pray how am I bashing China?

I have only said that the system overloads discipline to obey without question and that leads to disastrous results.

I have also acknowledged that the Indian literacy is not commendable compared to China.


So, that becomes bashing?

Since when have sentences like - indeed, there are many good things about China that one could learn about. become China bashing.

Weird and apparently daft!

Well, your hypothesis is wrong, so much so that I suspect it's a veiled attempt to swipe at the Chinese government.

You wrote, "What type of country is China? It is unbelievable that the Communist indoctrination of the people's mind can go to such horrific extent where the person is sold to authorities in mind and body."

The article mentions nothing of a government policies to indoctrinate. As the article notes, East Asian cultures revere teachers.

 

[Ray]

Well, your hypothesis is wrong, so much so that I suspect it's a veiled attempt to swipe at the Chinese government.

You wrote, "What type of country is China? It is unbelievable that the Communist indoctrination of the people's mind can go to such horrific extent where the person is sold to authorities in mind and body."

The article mentions nothing of a government policies to indoctrinate. As the article notes, East Asian cultures revere teachers.

Reverence does not mean conditioned reflex.

Classical conditioning - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Was Mao 30% wrong and 70% right?

Most Chinese would say so.

Conditioned reflex!

How?

Because Deng said so.

How did Deng come to that exact percentage?

No one will ask!

Conditioned reflex!

The Party knows best!

 

[hbogyt]

It's only a saying.

 

[bennedose]

BEIJING--A 10-year-old Chinese boy jumped 30 floors to his death after failing to write a self-criticism letter demanded by his teacher, state media reported Thursday.

Ray this is a strange Chinese problem going back to the days of the cultural revolution where people were caught and puppets of the communist regime would ask arrested dissidents and protesters to write "self criticism" letters. If the first letter was not "good enough" - i.e if the "criticism" did not include what the re educator wanted to see, then the person would be asked to write again and again and punished until he changed his mind and wrote a letter that exactly coincided with the communist party viewpoint.

What I find amusing is that I have seen exactly the same method attempted on here by some Chinese who, after a initial reaction of anger and mockery they will ask you to "read again" and use terminology that indicate that you are a child or immature person who needs to be educated.

This seems to be the idiotic system instilled in China by Mao's maniacal cultural revolution, where culture was erased leaving behind this "re-education" technique expected only from an ignorant despot.

 

[Ray]

Ray this is a strange Chinese problem going back to the days of the cultural revolution where people were caught and puppets of the communist regime would ask arrested dissidents and protesters to write "self criticism" letters. If the first letter was not "good enough" - i.e if the "criticism" did not include what the re educator wanted to see, then the person would be asked to write again and again and punished until he changed his mind and wrote a letter that exactly coincided with the communist party viewpoint.

What I find amusing is that I have seen exactly the same method attempted on here by some Chinese who, after a initial reaction of anger and mockery they will ask you to "read again" and use terminology that indicate that you are a child or immature person who needs to be educated.

This seems to be the idiotic system instilled in China by Mao's maniacal cultural revolution, where culture was erased leaving behind this "re-education" technique expected only from an ignorant despot.

Have you seen the film 'The Manchurian Candidate'?

See it and you will know how it works!

Pavlov is the master of this mentality!