China, Sri Lanka agree loans, defence

[ersakthivel]

Why are people fearing China?

China is the weakest loneliest power in the world.It is nothing but a paper dragon. Even Vietnamese know that.japanese stand firm to them, look how americans are treating them , showing them firmly their place. China has 10 SLBM carrying Nuclear subs. has that stopped US from supporting Taiwan's independence or japan's strategic interest?

On the contrary chinese are working like ants exporting highly subsidized good to the same US and holding trillions of dollars in US dollar. Still they masquerade as if they are an equal rival of US and use this non existing prestige to browbeat ball less benami ruling arrangements like scam licking UPA. Which failed to cancel a sheduled foriegn ministers visit even after the chinese intrusion into indian territory.

String of pearls? BULLSHIT it is string of carcases of stenching animals that pakistan and srilanka are.we still wet our pants for this tring of pearls while the japanese Pm sitting at the foot of mighty china orders his self defence force to shoot down any chinese plane that approaches the senakku island.

Has the small vietnamese nation gave up it's terrotorial claims to china?


has pakistan ever afraid of india and stopped making terrorist mischief here?

Who are china's allies? The mighty NORTH KOREANS and imploding PAKISTANIS and genocidal thugs of sri lanka.

Looking at this company the only saying that comes to my mind is ,"with friends like this you don't need enemies". But still India even with blossoming US strategic partner ship is so afraid of China to the point of hosting the chinese strongman just a month after border inursion and cowering at the SRI LANKA's china card.



If this behaviour persist we can ask the MMS- Sonia regime in Delhi to slowly initiate the process of disbanding indian union. Because in future china's strength is going to increase ten fold. India's cowardice will increase twenty fold no matter how many nuclear subs we are going to have and how valiant are india's martial races are. So in future it will be too much of a burden for new delhi to defend the interest of Indian nationalities against china. So it is time to start now.

 

[ersakthivel]

First of all I was not talking about India. I was talking about Sri Lanka. Second, the Language act in 1956 did not stop or barred the use of Tamil in daily life it just replaced English with Sinhala as the state language. Why not the so patriotic 1000 year old Tamils did not even gave a damn about English being their official language? Go figure.

Till 1956 no one used Sinhala in Tamil areas in Srilanka and the world did not sink under seven seas for that.Even today in tamilnadu or any other state in India, no one has replaced Enlish with Hindi and still we have become the world's 3rd largest economy.

So did you become the world's first largest economy by replacing tamil with Sinhala in 1965?
Why not the peace loving budhist learn english and keep it as link language with tamil as is being done in India under three language scheme pioneered by Nehru?

Who are you to change the Engilsh to sinhal. The indian govt didnot change Hindi with English. India is doing no worse. thats what I said that something like this is far above the heads of genocide mongers

 

[HeinzGud]

Till 1956 no one used Sinhala in Tamil areas in Srilanka and the world did not sink under seven seas for that.Even today in tamilnadu or any other state in India, no one has replaced Enlish with Hindi and still we have become the world's 3rd largest economy.

There were no Tamil areas. Only colonies made up by the workers from TN and after 1956 no one converted to use Sinhala instead Tamil in those areas. So what the fuss?

So did you become the world's first largest economy by replacing tamil with Sinhala in 1965?

First what happened in 1965?

Why not the peace loving budhist learn english and keep it as link language with tamil as is being done in India under three language scheme pioneered by Nehru?

My question why didn't Tamils leaders in so called Tamil home land in Jaffna fought against the British or Dutch? Why didn't they moved inland just like Sinhalese? Did they prefer to live under the occupation forces?

Who are you to change the Engilsh to sinhal. The indian govt didnot change Hindi with English. India is doing no worse. thats what I said that something like this is far above the heads of genocide mongers

India is not Sri Lanka.

 

[t_co]

Sri Lanka faces a lot of pressing developmental challenges. The SL government should rein in ethnic issues - with either carrots, sticks, or both - so it can focus on the real job of giving its citizenry a better life.

What use is local councils and decentralized government if people lack healthcare, education, and a stable livelihood?

In this regard, both China and India have a responsibility to help SL get from its current position to a better one. Developing Sri Lanka is not a competitive, zero-sum game of influence, and it should not be about using SL as a football to threaten any one nation. Instead, it should be about building up SL into a net contributor of prosperity and stability in South Asia. After all, if SL does turn violent or remains on the lower end of the HDI spectrum, it hurts not only themselves, but also their large neighbor India, and China, whose shipping lanes to Europe pass within 200km of SL's coastlines.

 

[aerokan]

Sri Lanka faces a lot of pressing developmental challenges. The SL government should rein in ethnic issues - with either carrots, sticks, or both - so it can focus on the real job of giving its citizenry a better life.

What use is local councils and decentralized government if people lack healthcare, education, and a stable livelihood?

In this regard, both China and India have a responsibility to help SL get from its current position to a better one. Developing Sri Lanka is not a competitive, zero-sum game of influence, and it should not be about using SL as a football to threaten any one nation. Instead, it should be about building up SL into a net contributor of prosperity and stability in South Asia. After all, if SL does turn violent or remains on the lower end of the HDI spectrum, it hurts not only themselves, but also their large neighbor India, and China, whose shipping lanes to Europe pass within 200km of SL's coastlines.

It is not a problem if SL insists on development with help from India or China. But what SL does is a bit different. When we are trying to be friendly, they are becoming more and more genocidal first on their population. Secondly we were extending our hand of friendship since independence and SL always used it when needed and worked against us when not needed. What would China do if a country comes to you and make use of you when needed and actively support your enemies in war against you consistently without fail? How would China react? Would you still do have a great opinion about that country?

 

[t_co]

It is not a problem if SL insists on development with help from India or China. But what SL does is a bit different. When we are trying to be friendly, they are becoming more and more genocidal first on their population. Secondly we were extending our hand of friendship since independence and SL always used it when needed and worked against us when not needed. What would China do if a country comes to you and make use of you when needed and actively support your enemies in war against you consistently without fail? How would China react? Would you still do have a great opinion about that country?

North Korea–Russia relations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

We still give North Korea food and fuel...

And look at Vietnam too - China was willing to sign treaties with Vietnam and invest in them even though Sino-Vietnamese relations are complex at best and fractious at worst.

 

[no smoking]

It is not a problem if SL insists on development with help from India or China. But what SL does is a bit different. When we are trying to be friendly, they are becoming more and more genocidal first on their population. Secondly we were extending our hand of friendship since independence and SL always used it when needed and worked against us when not needed.

First, india is not angel. You come to SL to protect your own interest.
Second, SL is working against you. They are working to protect themselves from an overwhelming powerful India.

What would China do if a country comes to you and make use of you when needed and actively support your enemies in war against you consistently without fail? How would China react? Would you still do have a great opinion about that country?

As any grown man in this world: working togther on where both sides share the common interest and disputing on where both side disagree. Just keep one thing in mind: they are coming from another country and they have their own interest to protect, so you have to prepare yourself that they will say no in many cases.

 

[ersakthivel]

There were no Tamil areas. Only colonies made up by the workers from TN and after 1956 no one converted to use Sinhala instead Tamil in those areas. So what the fuss?

tamil kingdoms existed there for centuries. Infact the sinhalese migrated from orissa coast after the tamils have started living there. So you were the late commers in srilanka. You don't have to pretend that sinhalese originated in srilanka.Your Ambassador to india himself has said that all sinhalese are settlers from the indian state of Orissa.

First what happened in 1965?

How willl learning Sinhala enrich the culture of Tamil. Would it not have helped if both sinhalese and tamils learnt engilsh? Look at the software revolution which brings home about 100 billion dollars annually to india. I t was all due to NEHRU's sagacious policy of retaining hindi as link language. India wa a true democracy from the start. And Nehru heeded the advice of feedom fighters from Tamil nadu who were holding power in India at that time.
But the sinhalese neither fought for freedom and never tried to undrstand the feelings of tamils and started imposing their culture and languare wantonly.

If you have any doubt ,ask the pakis why bangladesh separated? They imposed URDU on bangladesh and people there revolted.

My question why didn't Tamils leaders in so called Tamil home land in Jaffna fought against the British or Dutch? Why didn't they moved inland just like Sinhalese? Did they prefer to live under the occupation forces?

Many Tamil kings fought the british. Movement of people happen all the time. if you don't want movement , then are you prepared to separate the nation and give freedom to Tamils?

India is not Sri Lanka.

Get your head examined first. tamil Kingdoms in Srilanka were present for centuries. The tamils you refer to were Hill Tamils who were brought to work in Srilankan tea estate by the british in the last century and settled in central srilanka. The tamil's of North and east were there in Srilanka as long as sinhalese were there.

Your president's own brother begged the US for green card after settling there for just 10 years. Now why are you insisting on denying citizen ship to the Hill Tamils who lived and toiled in the sri lankan tea estates for centuries enriching Srilankan economy?

Have the Americns drove away all the blacks brought from Africa by the british for developing sugar plantation. That is the difference between genocide mongers and true democracies.

It was the sinhala kings who didn't fight the Brits. GO and read the history of Tamil kings who fought the brits in srilanka.

If you ask why tamil people moved inland, Will you also go and ask your president and his brothers who are green card holders , why they moved so farther inland to US?

You guys want to export to US , go to work for US , get US citizen ship after living there for just 10 years. But when it comes to Hill Tamils(they form just 10 percent of the whole tamil population) who were there for 2 centuries bought by the brits you want to expel them under which geneva convention?

THe tamils of North and east are there for centuries. These areas lie just 18 miles away from TN.Migration happened many centuries before.Now who are you to deny their rights in their historical homeland?

Your Sri lanakn ambassador to india has himself said all sri lankans are natives of Indian subcontinent including the sinhalese who migrated from the coast of indian states of orissa.So who are you to question the right of other guys?

 

[mahesh]

First, india is not angel.

But China is a devil for sure:thumb::der:

 

[ersakthivel]

Sri Lanka faces a lot of pressing developmental challenges. The SL government should rein in ethnic issues - with either carrots, sticks, or both - so it can focus on the real job of giving its citizenry a better life.

What use is local councils and decentralized government if people lack healthcare, education, and a stable livelihood?

In this regard, both China and India have a responsibility to help SL get from its current position to a better one. Developing Sri Lanka is not a competitive, zero-sum game of influence, and it should not be about using SL as a football to threaten any one nation. Instead, it should be about building up SL into a net contributor of prosperity and stability in South Asia. After all, if SL does turn violent or remains on the lower end of the HDI spectrum, it hurts not only themselves, but also their large neighbor India, and China, whose shipping lanes to Europe pass within 200km of SL's coastlines.

Just ask the srilankans to study the Indian democratic system of
multi ethnic democratic model with strong local government
and federating central govt model ,
independant supreme court, independant election commission, free press
to settle the ethnic issues.

Don't prescribe your revolutionary Tibet model or Xinjiang model. Sri lanka will be doomed forever.

It is the presence of your evil intention that the leaders of Sri lanka are trying to play football and seeking support for commiting further genocides.

SO if you ask the lankans to follow the working indian democratic model which follows a democratic three language policy all the problems will be solved.

 

[ersakthivel]

First, india is not angel. You come to SL to protect your own interest.
Second, SL is working against you. They are working to protect themselves from an overwhelming powerful India.



As any grown man in this world: working togther on where both sides share the common interest and disputing on where both side disagree. Just keep one thing in mind: they are coming from another country and they have their own interest to protect, so you have to prepare yourself that they will say no in many cases.

Srilankan leaders are working to satisfy their genocidal urge. you should know that india already has a free trade agreement with srilanka , and the largest importer of srilankan goods.India is now only asking the srilankan govt to follow the universal democratic model in solving the ethnic problem.

But that does not seem to be the music to the ears of Srilankan leaders.That is why they are creating a spectre of overpowering indian influence in their home by whipping up passions and trying use indo-china rivalry to further their genocidal intention.

Infact it should be India and china that should look out for such mischief makers like the srilankan leaders in the vicinity and tell them jointly not to use each other for their narrow political ends, which will contribute to needless friction and india looking for alliances to counter the imagined chinese move for alliances with it's smaller neighbors.

 

[Ray]

The paranoiac fear that Sri Lankans have, is of their SL Tamils, who have been made into second class citizens since the Independence of Ceylon.

 

[ersakthivel]

The paranoiac fear that Sri Lankans have, is of their SL Tamils, who have been made into second class citizens since the Independence of Ceylon.

Sir, that is the root cause of all the problems . Imposing one's language and culture on another race is a surefire path to hell.

I search and read about the anti hindi agitation in TN which routed out the congress and led to the rise of dravidian parties.
20 students were killed in police firing in the anti hind agitation and the situation was explosive.

But Nehru, being the true democrat set the corurse correction by introducing the historic three language policy which retained tamil as ruling language in tamil nadu, english as link language and hindi as a secondary language. It would have looked like a strange and myopic decision at first.

But it was that decision to retain english which spearheaded the software revolution and routing billions in software exports from south.Software exports are about to bring home 100 billion dollars annually to india in a couple of years time.70 percent of my batchmates are abroad all beneficiary of retaining english as a medium of language in schools and having technical education in english only.

Recently jayalalitha introduced english medium education in primary schools as well. Now more than 40 percent of our primary kids are learning through english medium , they also study hindi and tamil with equal weight. The language sentiment turned on it's head just with in a couple of decades, Now if you talk only tamil should be there as medium of education in tamil nadu , people surrounding you will look at you like a mad man.

So what is so difficult for the sinhalese and tamils to learn english? Tamils feel disadvantaged when sinhalese push their languge as medium of education in higher studies and ruling language. It is this feeling of up rootedness that swells into rebeliion.

Now guess what a very large percentage of our children in hindi are learning hindi as an optional language. And tamilians are the largest percentage of indians who write hindi pracharak shabha exams like prathmic, I myself wrote two exams and can make up some conversation in hindi, rudimentary ofcourse.

The sri lankans and pakistanis all handled it badly. Imposing URDU led to separation of bangladeh. and srilankns are stilll propogating unitary structure.

it will do a world of good to srilankan economy if both sinhalese and tamils learn english as link language it will join them seemlessly into world service economy.

Every bangalorean speaks three languges to say the least. What does it matter if kannada is the ruling language there?

Language and religious issues are just too explosive to be approached in a casual manner , without studying the deep implications.What is surprising is our Srilankan friends are yet to discover it. Tamil Nadu is just 18 km across their shores ans they haven'e known the legendary handling of the language issue by NEHRU!!!!!!!!!!

Still they are saying that sri lanka is different fron India!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But for them sri lanka has lot in common with china it seems!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why don't people look at the mature democratic systems of US and India and learn something? Instead they work over time to bring harm to these two great systems by aligning with china!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[amoy]

The separate Tamil nation do not even have a unique culture or a language let alone a history. Do you think we were born yesterday? rofl

That's why repeatedly I said "Spare us craps, and the Majority should get assertive" lest your Tamil countrymen become implanted Trojan horses.

Remember the Kosovo paradigm? Albanian Muslim separatists paved the way for NATO　military intervention. Then Serbs would either have to flee or stay as a "minority" in the de facto independent Kosovo. Would SL allow replay of such a gimmick?


Chinese firm signs satellite deal|Politics|chinadaily.com.cn :thumb:

China will expand its presence in Sri Lanka after signing a contract in Beijing on Tuesday to deliver Sri Lanka's first communications satellite.

China Great Wall Industry Corp - the nation's only authorized provider of commercial satellite launch services to the global market - and SupremeSAT Ltd, a Sri Lankan satellite operator, will provide the satellite in the near future.

President Xi Jinping and visiting Sri Lankan President Mahinda Rajapaksa witnessed the signing of the contract after meeting on Tuesday. The two countries pledged to expand bilateral trade, investment and cooperation in agriculture, space technology and infrastructure.

Xi said China will continue to support and seek common development with Sri Lanka for the benefit of both countries' people.

Rajapaksa, making his sixth visit to China since taking office in 2005, said Sri Lanka regards China as an important partner and hopes to learn from China's experience and enhance the two countries' friendly cooperation.

Bilateral trade between China and the South Asian country reached $2.68 billion in 2012, a year-on-year increase of 19.6 percent. The Chinese company will deliver a communications satellite based on the DFH-4 satellite platform, providing telecommunications and broadcasting services to Sri Lanka and its neighboring countries and regions.

The spokesman said a telecommunications center in Sri Lanka's Kandy will be completed and become operational within this year. It is expected to provide global Beidou navigation services for China.

Besides the satellite contract, Sri Lanka will become the fifth overseas customer of China's Beidou navigation system, according to the memorandum the two companies signed on Tuesday. The memorandum said the two countries will cooperate in applying the Beidou navigation system in fishing industry, transportation and information collection.

 

[Ray]

That's why repeatedly I said "Spare us craps, and the Majority should get assertive" lest your Tamil countrymen become implanted Trojan horses.

Remember the Kosovo paradigm? Albanian Muslim separatists paved the way for NATO　military intervention. Then Serbs would either have to flee or stay as a "minority" in the de facto independent Kosovo. Would SL allow replay of such a gimmick?

I am not too boned up on this issue.

The Kosovo Albanians joined Albania?

The demographics of Sri Lanka is:

The Sinhalese, make up 74.9% of the population (according to 2012 census).

Sri Lanka Tamils, the largest minority group at 11.2% (according to the 2012 census).

The Moors, who descend from Arab traders that settled in Sri Lanka, form the third largest ethnic group at 9.2% of the population.

There are also Indian Tamils who form distinct ethnic group which comprises 4.2% of the population.

So, it would be very surprising if Sri Lankans could ever become the minority!

The logic just does not add up!

Trolling does!

 

[Ray]

At the same time, I laud China's generosity to assist nations who require money badly to keep themselves afloat!

 

[amoy]

I am not too boned up on this issue.

The Kosovo Albanians joined Albania?

The demographics of Sri Lanka is:

The Sinhalese, make up 74.9% of the population (according to 2012 census).

Sri Lanka Tamils, the largest minority group at 11.2% (according to the 2012 census).

The Moors, who descend from Arab traders that settled in Sri Lanka, form the third largest ethnic group at 9.2% of the population.

There are also Indian Tamils who form distinct ethnic group which comprises 4.2% of the population.

So, it would be very surprising if Sri Lankans could ever become the minority!

The logic just does not add up!

Trolling does!

What ? Trolling? Logic? Albanian is a minority in SERBIA, but in the breakaway KOSOVO it turns out to be MAJORITY, not Serbs!

What the SL majority prioritizes is
1) keep its sovereign integrity with the help of the intl community (see below Kosovo case for where China stands)
2) development (see the above post >> Chinese firm signs satellite deal|Politics|chinadaily.com.cn

Serbian Prime Minister Vojislav Kostunica said on Sunday that Kosovo's declaration of independence "violates international order." China has expressed its "deep concern" over the situation.

Three EU states, Cyprus, Romania and Slovakia, earlier informed other EU governments that they would not recognize Kosovo.

The Serbian government has called for a massive demonstration against what it calls the establishment of the "false state" of Kosovo.

NATO will hold a Council session later on Monday to consider the situation. Meanwhile, NATO Secretary-General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer has urged all parties involved "to exercise the maximum restraint and moderation."

Moscow is strongly opposed to the unilateral declaration of independence by Kosovo. It has said that it contravenes international law, and sets a dangerous precedent for other secessionist regions.

 

[HeinzGud]

Get your head examined first. tamil Kingdoms in Srilanka were present for centuries. The tamils you refer to were Hill Tamils who were brought to work in Srilankan tea estate by the british in the last century and settled in central srilanka. The tamil's of North and east were there in Srilanka as long as sinhalese were there.

No No my friend not only hill tamils but Jaffna and Batticolo tamils were also immigrants. You say hill Tamils are the only ones because British has records of them. But Dutch didn't. If you want to learn about the history of Jaffna refer to father Querso's works.

My question still stands. "Why didn't these so called 1000 year old Tamil country didn't stand up to invaders from Europe?"

Your president's own brother begged the US for green card after settling there for just 10 years. Now why are you insisting on denying citizen ship to the Hill Tamils who lived and toiled in the sri lankan tea estates for centuries enriching Srilankan economy?

you are comparing one to a 1 million.

Have the Americns drove away all the blacks brought from Africa by the british for developing sugar plantation. That is the difference between genocide mongers and true democracies.

Have the Afro-Americans demanded separate country to themselves?

It was the sinhala kings who didn't fight the Brits. GO and read the history of Tamil kings who fought the brits in srilanka.

Name one Tamil king who fought.

If you ask why tamil people moved inland, Will you also go and ask your president and his brothers who are green card holders , why they moved so farther inland to US?

No answers to my

You guys want to export to US , go to work for US , get US citizen ship after living there for just 10 years. But when it comes to Hill Tamils(they form just 10 percent of the whole tamil population) who were there for 2 centuries bought by the brits you want to expel them under which geneva convention?

Even US do not allow certain type of immigrants to enter into US. So you expect us to welcome 1 million illiterate Tamils?

THe tamils of North and east are there for centuries. These areas lie just 18 miles away from TN.Migration happened many centuries before.Now who are you to deny their rights in their historical homeland?

Prove it historically. Any one can say anything they wish. Prove it.

Your Sri lanakn ambassador to india has himself said all sri lankans are natives of Indian subcontinent including the sinhalese who migrated from the coast of indian states of orissa.So who are you to question the right of other guys?

US was mostly populated by Europeans. Do Europeans say US is part of Europe? What a joke is this?

 

[sayareakd]

Hope Lanka play it smart, China do want to extract max out of this.

 

[MAYURA]

@HeinzGud

No No my friend not only hill tamils but Jaffna and Batticolo tamils were also immigrants. You say hill Tamils are the only ones because British has records of them. But Dutch didn't. If you want to learn about the history of Jaffna refer to father Querso's works.

My question still stands. "Why didn't these so called 1000 year old Tamil country didn't stand up to invaders from Europe?"

How many Sinhala kings stood upto the european invasions with all their 2500 years glorious history?

you are comparing one to a 1 million.

How so?

Have the Afro-Americans demanded separate country to themselves?

Have their cultural rights been denied till now?

Even US do not allow certain type of immigrants to enter into US. So you expect us to welcome 1 million illiterate Tamils?

What illiterate tamils? the illiterate sinhalas can not compare with tamils in education.

Prove it historically. Any one can say anything they wish. Prove it.

Yes and that includes sinhala radical groups also.

US was mostly populated by Europeans. Do Europeans say US is part of Europe? What a joke is this?

The things is that US after centuries of its founding was not ruled by europeans unlike Sri Lanka which was always a tributary state of chola or vijaynagar and sundry other kingdoms. Sri lankans would not have got independence but for tamils.