China establishes 'air-defence zone' over East China Sea

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Rightly said. In any case, whatever the reasons that China is projecting, the idea that it is a retaliation for Japs action 50 years ago sounds like dogs barking after thieves left and it will have repercussions only for China.

Gives a perfect excuse for all China's enemies to unite.

IMO a diplomatic blunder !!
You're debating in circles.

Because Japan established its ADIZ 50 years ago doesn't detract from the fact that they scrambled F15s to intercept Chinese aircraft transiting that airspace 502 times this year. 105 times in the last 4 months to intercept Russian aircraft, not to mention Korean or even Taiwanese military aircraft.

"50 years ago" is a bogus point since that ADIZ is still in effect today.

It still extends to 130km off the Chinese mainland. It still encompasses all the passages the PLAN East and North Sea fleet use to transit through the First Island chain. It is still being used as "China-threat" propaganda every time any Chinese military aircraft transit through it, despite it being INTERNATIONAL AIRSPACE.

With one fell swoop the ADIZ has presented a solution to Japanese hegemony over the near- Pacific. Diplomatic blunder or strategic master-class?
 

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I sincerely hope the indian members in this thread are not representing the Indian Elites, other wise, it will take a much longer time for India to surpass China as Indian wished.
 

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You did not understand my quote



If China has anything to complain it should have been done 50 years ago. Not now.

Now anything china says or does is counted as aggression and will be dealt as such.
what Japanese did in the 1960s does not stay in the 1960s, it's having impact until today, the air defence zone they established 50 years ago is still in effect as of now.

the western media's intentional omission of Japan's air defence zone and desperate attempt to depict it as an aggression by China already proves that Chinese move is morally justified, otherwise they dont have to engineer the story.

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I sincerely hope the indian members in this thread are not representing the Indian Elites, other wise, it will take a much longer time for India to surpass China as Indian wished.
it's in the interest of India to take the side of Japan no matter what the fact is, in this regard they are doing fine.

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it's in the interest of India to take the side of Japan no matter what the fact is, in this regard they are doing fine.

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You are wrong here as usual... India and Japan has great respect for each other's culture and people... Japan is one of the very few countries who helped India during the freedom struggle... India will never forget that...

A country that was devasted by war have come back so strong to become a second biggest economy [untill rescently] in the world in few decades... this shows the charecter of the people of the great nation...
 

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what Japanese did in the 1960s does not stay in the 1960s, it's having impact until today, the air defence zone they established 50 years ago is still in effect as of now.

the western media's intentional omission of Japan's air defence zone and desperate attempt to depict it as an aggression by China already proves that Chinese move is morally justified, otherwise they dont have to engineer the story.

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It will have impact. Do you know the CAUSE-EFFECT theory?? For ex. you have built many factories without proper procedure which is the result of heavy pollution. Can anybody remove the pollution now ?? NO !! It is the result of your factories. Similarly, the 3 gorges dam which is causing earthquakes and what not.

The japs have established ADZ in 1960 and they will patrol and safeguard it tooth and nail. You can't tell them not to.Instead of you doing the same, you could have thrown your weight in international court and get a law enacted about this which would have certainly increased the respect for the chinese. BUT NO, YOU NEED AN A$$ WHOOPING !! :lol:

The western media or for that matter any neutral person would always side with the japs because they have done as you are doing to India albeit in the air. You have occupied Indian territory with your better army and now trying to bully India to cede more area. Now it will come back to you in a different manner. Japan will not take this silently as you did in 1960.

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry and Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel have both said the U.S. is "deeply concerned" about China's unilateral action.

"This unilateral action constitutes an attempt to change the status quo in the East China Sea," Kerry said in a statement released Saturday. "Escalatory action will only increase tensions in the region and create risks of an incident." - China objects to US over sea defense zone remarks - The Washington Post
 

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Problem is when this air defene zone is put to challenge, Chinis will be in trouble, if they cannot answer the challenger then it will be big blunder on their part.

Lets wait and watch.
 

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What if missike is tested in zone by non chini? What PRC will do.
 

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China anger at US Japan 'air defence zone' objections
China has expressed anger at US and Japanese objections to its creation of an "air defence identification zone" over disputed East China Sea waters.

It said it made formal complaints to the US and Japanese embassies in China.

The zone covers disputed islands that are claimed and controlled by Japan. China says aircraft entering the zone must obey its rules.

US Defence Secretary Chuck Hagel called the move a "destabilising attempt to alter the status quo in the region".

"This unilateral action increases the risk of misunderstanding and miscalculations," Mr Hagel said in a statement.

"This announcement by the People's Republic of China will not in any way change how the United States conducts military operations in the region," he added.

Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe described the move as "a profoundly dangerous act that may cause unintended consequences".

"Japan will ask China to restrain itself while we continue co-operating with the international community," he told parliament on Monday.

Speaking earlier, Yang Yujun, a spokesman for China's Ministry of National Defence, said Japan's reaction was "absolutely groundless and unacceptable".

"We strongly require the Japanese side to stop all moves that undermine China's territorial sovereignty as well as irresponsible remarks that misguide international opinions and create regional tensions," Mr Yang said.

He also demanded that the US "earnestly respect China's national security [and] stop making irresponsible remarks for China's setup of the East China Sea Air Defence Identification Zone".
BBC News - China anger at US Japan 'air defence zone' objections

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Is that also what you (Chinese) plan to do if any aircraft overflies your so-called zone and do not identify themselves, COMPLAIN?
What do you expect ? USA and Japan to welcome your decision to establish ADIZ over ECS?
 

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From happy's Post article:

"The measures by the Chinese side have no validity whatsoever on Japan, and we demand China revoke any measures that could infringe upon the freedom of flight in international airspace," Abe said during an Upper House session. "It can invite an unexpected occurrence and it is a very dangerous thing as well."

Abe said the measures one-sidedly impose rules set by the Chinese military on all flights in the zone, and violate the freedom to fly above open sea, a general principle under the international law.
Abe redefines the term two-faced here. Japan's much larger ADIZ(more than 8 times larger) has been "unilateraly" "violat(ing) the freedom to fly above open sea, a general principle under the international law" for "50 years".

So its not "a dangerous thing" to be intercepting unarmed recon turboprops from China's maritime surveilance, or Russian transports with fully armed F15's every time they cross Japan's "unilaterally" implemented ADIZ? Does it not invite "invite an unexpected occurrence" when the PLAAF scramble J10's to meet those F15's?

And notice again how the Post doesn't challenge any of these very obvious flaws in Abe's double-speak threat-mongering.

Or how all of the Chinese officials rebuttals are not full quotes, but are just enough of his sentence to make him sound noncoherent.

Ridiculous reporting for a ridiculous Abe speech.
 
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What if missike is tested in zone by non chini? What PRC will do.
well, guy, pls read the definition of ADZ first,ok?

ADZ ir not territorial aeraspace,but that over international highsea,

establishing countries usually start to identify flying objections in ADZ and ask for cooperation ..

If flying objection rejects orders from establishing countries,establishing countries can sent airforce to hold back it ,but can not bring down them ,unless foreign flying objection enter territorial aeraspace.

that is all.
 

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Fact Sheet: China's Air Defense Zone


China on Nov. 23 established the East China Sea Air Defense Identification Zone that includes the disputed islands known as Senkaku in Japan and Diaoyu in China in the East China Sea.

TAIPEI — What appears to be a crisis in the making, China's Ministry of National Defense (MOD) has established the East China Sea Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ) effective as of 10 a.m. on Nov. 23.

The zone covers the disputed Diaoyu/Senkaku Islets claimed by China, Japan, and Taiwan. The islets are under the administrative control of Japan. China has been flying unmanned aerial vehicles into the area of the islets and Japan has threatened to shoot them down.

China launched two aerial patrols, one Tu-154 and one Y-8, over the area the day of the announcement and Japan deployed two F-15 fighters to intercept.

China's ADIZ overlaps Japan ADIZ by approximately half, causing concern the overlap could start a war.

The Chinese ADIZ also overlaps Taiwan (Republic of China/ROC). According to a Nov. 24 statement by Taiwan's Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Taiwan will "adhere to the principles set forth in the East China Sea Peace Initiative [set forth by President Ma Ying-jeou on Aug 5), with the aim of resolving disputes peacefully, while taking appropriate measures to ensure the safety of ROC airspace." Ma's five-point peace initiative urges all "parties to refrain from antagonistic actions; not abandon dialogue; observe international law; resolve disputes through peaceful means; and form a mechanism for exploring and developing resources on a cooperative basis."

US Secretary of State John Kerry issued a statement on Nov. 23 urging China not to impose a "unilateral action" that "constitutes an attempt to change the status quo in the East China Sea." Further, the US is "deeply concerned" about the announcement and "escalatory action will only increase tensions in the region and create risks of an incident."

Below is a collection of Chinese MOD press releases since the announcement:

MOD Press Release:

The Ministry of National Defense of the People's Republic of China, in accordance with the Statement by the Government of the People's Republic of China on Establishing the East China Sea Air Defense Identification Zone, now announces the Aircraft Identification Rules for the East China Sea Air Defense Identification Zone as follows:

First, aircraft flying in the East China Sea Air Defense Identification Zone must abide by these rules.

Second, aircraft flying in the East China Sea Air Defense Identification Zone must provide the following means of identification:

1. Flight plan identification. Aircraft flying in the East China Sea Air Defense Identification Zone should report the flight plans to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the People's Republic of China or the Civil Aviation Administration of China.

2. Radio identification. Aircraft flying in the East China Sea Air Defense Identification Zone must maintain the two-way radio communications, and respond in a timely and accurate manner to the identification inquiries from the administrative organ of the East China Sea Air Defense Identification Zone or the unit authorized by the organ.

3. Transponder identification. Aircraft flying in the East China Sea Air Defense Identification Zone, if equipped with the secondary radar transponder, should keep the transponder working throughout the entire course.

4. Logo identification. Aircraft flying in the East China Sea Air Defense Identification Zone must clearly mark their nationalities and the logo of their registration identification in accordance with related international treaties.

Third, aircraft flying in the East China Sea Air Defense Identification Zone should follow the instructions of the administrative organ of the East China Sea Air Defense Identification Zone or the unit authorized by the organ. China's armed forces will adopt defensive emergency measures to respond to aircraft that do not cooperate in the identification or refuse to follow the instructions.

Fourth, the Ministry of National Defense of the People's Republic of China is the administrative organ of the East China Sea Air Defense Identification Zone.What needs to be specified is that the Chinese side has always respected the freedom of over-flight in accordance with international law. The establishment of the East China Sea Air Defense Identification Zone does not change the legal nature of related airspace. Normal flights by international airliners in the East China Sea Air Defense Identification Zone will not be affected in any way.

Q: Will China establish other Air Defense Identification Zones?

A: China will establish other Air Defense Identification Zones at the right moment after necessary preparations are completed.

Fifth, the Ministry of National Defense of the People's Republic of China is responsible for the explanation of these rules.

Sixth, these rules will come into force at 10 a.m. Nov. 23, 2013.

MOD Press Release:

The zone is being established in accordance with the Law of the People's Republic of China on National Defense (March 14, 1997), the Law of the People's Republic of China on Civil Aviation (October 30, 1995) and the Basic Rules on Flight of the People's Republic of China (July 27, 2001).

he zone includes the airspace within the area enclosed by China's outer limit of the territorial sea and the following six points: 33º11'N and 121º47'E, 33º11'N and 125º00'E, 31º00'N and 128º20'E, 25º38'N and 125º00'E, 24º45'N and 123º00'E, 26º44'N and 120º58'E.

MOD Q&A

On Nov. 23, China's Defense Ministry spokesman Yang Yujun took questions from the media on the issue:

Following is the full text released by the MOD:

Q: Why does the Chinese government decide to establish the East China Sea Air Defense Identification Zone? Is it related to the current situation in the region?

A: Air Defense Identification Zone is an area of air space established by a coastal state beyond its territorial airspace to timely identify, monitor, control and react to aircraft entering this zone with potential air threats. It allows early-warning time and provides air security.

Following the international practice, the Chinese government sets up the East China Sea Air Defense Identification Zone with the aim of safeguarding state sovereignty, territorial land and air security, and maintaining flight order. This is a necessary measure taken by China in exercising its self-defense right. It is not directed against any specific country or target. It does not affect the freedom of over-flight in the related airspace.

Q: What is the basis for China to establish the East China Sea Air Defense Identification Zone?

A: The setup of East China Sea Air Defense Identification Zone by the Chinese government is not only based on adequate legitimate reference, but also in accordance with current international practice. Since the 1950s, more than 20 countries including some major countries and China's neighboring countries have successively established Air Defense Identification Zones. Chinese government's relevant behavior is in line with the UN Charter and other international laws and customs. China's domestic laws and regulations such as the Law of the PRC on National Defense, the Law of PRC on Civil Aviation and Basic Rules on Flight have also clearly stipulated on the maintenance of territorial land and air security and flight order.

Q: How is the coverage of the East China Sea Air Defense Identification Zone defined? Why is the boundary of the Zone only 130 km away from some country' territory?

A: The coverage of the East China Sea Air Defense Identification Zone is defined by China's need for air defense and maintaining flight order.

Actually the easternmost point of the Zone is so close to China that combat aircraft can soon reach China's territorial airspace from the point. Therefore it is necessary for China to identify any aircraft from this point to assess its intentions and examine its identities so as to allow enough early-warning time for responsive measures in maintaining air security. In addition, some country established Air Defense Identification Zone as early as in 1969. The shortest distance from their zone to the Chinese mainland is also 130 km.

Q: What responding measures will the Chinese side take when foreign aircraft enter the East China Sea Air Defense Identification Zone?

A: Announcement of the Aircraft Identification Rules for the East China Sea Air Defense Identification Zone of the People's Republic of China has made specific rules on the identification of aircraft in related airspace. In the face of air threats and unidentified flying objects coming from the sea, the Chinese side will identify, monitor, control and react depending on different situations. We hope that all parties concerned work actively with the Chinese side to jointly maintain flight safety.


What needs to be specified is that the Chinese side has always respected the freedom of over-flight in accordance with international law. The establishment of the East China Sea Air Defense Identification Zone does not change the legal nature of related airspace. Normal flights by international airliners in the East China Sea Air Defense Identification Zone will not be affected in any way.

Q: Will China establish other Air Defense Identification Zones?

A: China will establish other Air Defense Identification Zones at the right moment after necessary preparations are completed.

Fact Sheet: China's Air Defense Zone | Defense News | defensenews.com
 

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Japan's foreign minister on Sunday refused to recognize China's newly claimed air defense zone over disputed islands, signaling that Japan would not back down as tensions increased in the maritime dispute.

China on Saturday said its "air defense identification zone" would give it the right to identify and possibly take military action against aircraft near the islands in the East China Sea. The uninhabited islands are administered by Japan but claimed by China and Taiwan.

China's announcement appeared to be the latest step in what analysts have called a strategy to chip away at Japan's claims of control of the islands. Japan has long maintained a similar air defense zone over them.
Japan Rejects China's Claim to Air Rights Over Islands
 

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well,ADIZ never need acknowledge from other country.
It appears you guys are in for it big time. Hope that international pressure is mounted on china to reverse or else face consequences. Good to see chinese reaction in such scenario.
 

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Does the new Chinese ADIZ cover the senkaku islands(and it's 12 mile sovereign territory of Japanese)?

If it is covered, i will go and get some popcorn :thumb:
 

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Does the new Chinese ADIZ cover the senkaku islands(and it's 12 mile sovereign territory of Japanese)?

If it is covered, i will go and get some popcorn :thumb:
You can go and get some popcorn now.
 

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