China Declares Australia a Military Threat Over U.S. Pact

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China's state-run media have declared Australia a threat to its national security, after Australia finalized a 25-year military pact with the United States. The United States currently has 1,200 troops from the Marine Corps and Air Force training with Australian troops for humanitarian and disaster relief. The defense agreement will increase the number of U.S. troops at Darwin in northern Australia to 2,500. The Chinese regime is none too pleased about the agreement, however. Li Jie, rear admiral of China's People's Liberation Army Navy, told Want China Times that Australia could pressure China's supply lines in the Strait of Malacca in a conflict over the South China Sea. "Australia is therefore likely to become a threat to China's national security," it states. Global Times reported that if a war broke out between China and Vietnam or the Philippines, the United States could deploy submarines and aircraft from Australia. Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel announced the U.S.-Australia Force Posture Agreement on Tuesday alongside Australian minister of defense David Johnston and minister of foreign affairs Julie Bishop. Hagel said during a press conference, "This is a part of the world that represents five of America's seven treaty obligation countries that we are committed to, which we've made very clear we're committed to." Johnston said the U.S. troops are helping train the Australian military. "The Marines, of course, are the world's experts in amphibious combat and amphibious operations," he said during the press conference. "And so, we're watching as to how those operations are carried out." The recent troop increase is part of a 2011 agreement between the United States and Australia.


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First chinese are trying to grab the international as well as other country's sea lanes, Now they are picturing anyone who try to block those moves as a threat.
 

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How does Australia which does not have a very large standing military, a threat to China?

Lol epochtime. Do ppl really read news from that site
You are right.

Communist Chinese don't.

They hate that site.
 

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This is a better news item

US diplomat denies alliance will drag Australia into war with China

The US alliance will not drag Australia into war with China, says the top US diplomat for Asia.
Assistant Secretary for East Asia at the State Department Daniel Russel rejected the assertion by former prime minister Malcolm Fraser that Australia was so locked into the US system that it would have no option but to join any American war with China.

Read more: US diplomat denies alliance will drag Australia into war with China[/B]
Australia is worried that China could misconstrue that there is a Military Threat to China over the U.S. Pact with Australia.

Media dismiss Washington's assurance that a new US-Australia military deal is not targeted at China.

Washington and Canberra have signed a deal on the rotating US military presence in Darwin, which is set to rise from the current 1,150 US Marines to 2,500 by 2017.

US Secretary of State John Kerry said the move was not targeted at China because Washington did not want "conflict and confrontation" with Beijing.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-28768085
 
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Australia will stand up to China to defend peace, liberal values and the rule of law: Julie Bishop

Australia will stand up to China to defend peace, liberal values and the rule of law, says Foreign Minister Julie Bishop.

In the Coalition government's clearest statement yet on how to handle China, Ms Bishop said it had been a mistake for previous governments to avoid speaking about China for fear of causing offence.

"China doesn't respect weakness," Ms Bishop told Fairfax Media, marking a break from the policies of previous governments whose reticence, she said, had only caused confusion.

Ms Bishop said the experience in November of speaking out against China's unilateral declaration of an Air Defence Information Zone – which led to the Chinese foreign minister famously tearing strips off her in Beijing with cameras rolling – had fortified her view that it was better to be frank than misunderstood.

"This did affect our national interest because it meant that, for example, our national carrier Qantas suddenly had to inform Beijing even if it wasn't flying anywhere near," she said.
Julie Bishop.

"The freedom of the skies and freedom of the seas in that part of the world is important to us because that's where the majority of our trade is done.

"So I believed that, at that time, we had to make it clear where we stood on unilateral action that could be seen as coercive and could be seen to – and which did – affect our national interests."

Those who said Australia had to choose between its security alliances and economic engagement with China had been proven "absolutely" wrong, she said, noting that there had been no economic fall-out from that forthright exchange.


Ms Bishop also made the clearest public statement yet of how the increasingly militarised disputes on China's periphery were prompting Australia to deepen and broaden military ties with the United States and other nations, most notably Japan.

Those trends have been on display this week with Prime Minister Tony Abbott agreeing to a "strategic" defence relationship and new military technology sharing agreements with Japan's Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, who leaves Australia on Wednesday.

"We know that the optimum is deeper engagement [with China]," said Ms Bishop. "But we're also clear-eyed about what could go wrong. So you have to hope for the best but manage for the worst."
Successive Australian governments have been flummoxed about how to speak about China.

Prime ministers and foreign ministers have mostly voiced concerns quietly, or not at all, in the hope that problems could be resolved behind closed doors.

But Ms Bishop said her government had moved decisively and deliberately to match deeds with words.

"Foreign policy under the Coalition is designed to project and protect our reputation as an open market export-oriented economy," she said.

"And so all we do and say supports those values we have on the economic front, and our values as an open liberal democracy committed to rule of law, committed to freedoms and committed to international norms," she said.

"So, when something affects our national interest then we should make it very clear about where we stand."

The Abbott government has also been forthright in speaking out against the detention of an Australian artist, Guo Jian, who was released after being detained for making and talking about an installation commemorating the Tiananmen massacres.

It has also spoken firmly against the arrest of a leading Chinese lawyer, Pu Zhiqiang.

And while many commentators, including in the United States itself, were beginning to debate the credibility of American power, Ms Bishop said she had no doubt that America would remain the pre-eminent force internationally.

"This is a debate that the US will have to have about its role in the world," she said. "It is currently the only super power with the military capability to act globally and the US must determine whether it's going to continue in that role. I believe that it must, and it will."

Ms Bishop drew attention to the warmth displayed between Mr Abe and Australian leaders this week, including in response to Mr Abe's "very gracious, generous, positive and very personal" speech, delivered in English, despite Mr Abe not being confident speaking in a second language.

Australia will stand up to China to defend peace, liberal values and the rule of law: Julie Bishop
This is even more horrid for China.

It appears that Australia does not trust China.

Therefore Epoch Times may be right that China Declares Australia a Military Threat Over U.S. Pact.
 

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The future war in that part of the globe will be like China+NoKo vs Japan+SoKo+Taiwan+Philippines+Singapore+Thailand+Australia+India+US.

I bet Europe will just sick back, relax and enjoy the show with some toffee popcorn.
 

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Is there one country other than N. Korea, Myanmar, Pakistan and Sri Lanka apart from other insignificant players that China does not consider as a threat?

The future war in that part of the globe will be like China+NoKo vs Japan+SoKo+Taiwan+Philippines+Singapore+Thailand+Australia+India+US.

I bet Europe will just sick back, relax and enjoy the show with some toffee popcorn.
 

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Is there one country other than N. Korea, Myanmar, Pakistan and Sri Lanka apart from other insignificant players that China does not consider as a threat?
China doesn't have a lot of friends to be honest. China isn't considered as a threat in Africa, but African countries don't have any reasonable military power to collaborate with China.
 

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good to see chinese leadership can assess and plan to deal with foriegn threats

Maybe one day india will take its security as serious
 

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How does Australia which does not have a very large standing military, a threat to China?



You are right.

Communist Chinese don't.

They hate that site.
nope any sensible person with a brain will not read epochtime. unless you are falunkong :)
 

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Here is a question to everyone:

In the hypothetical scenario of an armed confrontation or skirmish between PRC and the neo-SEATO (US, Australia, Philippines, Viet Nam, Japan, South Korea) that is currently being created, what should India do? Should India jump in the bandwagon, or should India sit it out? Or should India do something else?
 

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This is even more horrid for China.

It appears that Australia does not trust China.

Therefore Epoch Times may be right that China Declares Australia a Military Threat Over U.S. Pact.

right lol epoch time "declare aussies a military threat to china" let me know if you found similar title on US network :rolleyes:
 

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Here is a question to everyone:

In the hypothetical scenario of an armed confrontation or skirmish between PRC and the neo-SEATO (US, Australia, Philippines, Viet Nam, Japan, South Korea) that is currently being created, what should India do? Should India jump in the bandwagon, or should India sit it out? Or should India do something else?
there wont be armed confrontation, both china and US is not stupid. also ASEAN themself are not align with each other. just not gonna happen till china think they are ready.
 

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Here is a question to everyone:

In the hypothetical scenario of an armed confrontation or skirmish between PRC and the neo-SEATO (US, Australia, Philippines, Viet Nam, Japan, South Korea) that is currently being created, what should India do? Should India jump in the bandwagon, or should India sit it out? Or should India do something else?
I agree with s002. America wont war against anyone who can defend themselves and the chinese mindset is not to do anything unless it earns them money

In the off chance it happened India has no reason to get involved unless attacked themselves.The world has a wet dream that india will let them use her sons and daughters as cannon fodder to protect western hegemony against chinese industriousness. After seeing your ancestors used in ww1 and ww2 do you think it would be worth it now?
 

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In the off chance it happened India has no reason to get involved unless attacked themselves.The world has a wet dream that india will let them use her sons and daughters as cannon fodder to protect western hegemony against chinese industriousness. After seeing your ancestors used in ww1 and ww2 do you think it would be worth it now?
Thank you. That answers my question.


I agree with you and @s002wjh, but my question was a hypothetical question.

Anyway, let us see what others have to say.

Should India join in the war against PRC, should India sit it out, or should India do something else?
 
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Here is a question to everyone:

In the hypothetical scenario of an armed confrontation or skirmish between PRC and the neo-SEATO (US, Australia, Philippines, Viet Nam, Japan, South Korea) that is currently being created, what should India do? Should India jump in the bandwagon, or should India sit it out? Or should India do something else?
For India, South Asia is the main concern, China has many areas of concern such as East Sea, SCS, Xingjiang, Tibet and then it is also moving into South Asia aggressively.

India should work closely with the like minded countries in Asia and has to use this situation to the maximum extent and counter any Chinese moves. Chinese like to take down each country one by one at a time, they call it a zero sum game. This should not be the scenario.

Armed conflict with China is not an option unless China provokes India. Chinese are trying to bully India by distributing maps which include Arunachal prdesh as Chinese territory to their army (this is an act of aggression which says we will invade Arunachal Pradesh in the near future). Chinese are unpredictable ,India should also respond to this bullying aptly by strengthening military relations with Japan and other Asian countries.

India should not be in an illusion that China will go for diplomacy and peaceful resolution of conflicts but has to be well prepared just in case if there is any aggression.
 
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Here is a question to everyone:

In the hypothetical scenario of an armed confrontation or skirmish between PRC and the neo-SEATO (US, Australia, Philippines, Viet Nam, Japan, South Korea) that is currently being created, what should India do? Should India jump in the bandwagon, or should India sit it out? Or should India do something else?
India has to countervail the Chinese hegemonic pursuits in all spheres of growth to stay relevant in the world.

The alliance, if indeed it comes about, will be a informal one with no binding clause as is for military pacts as none would like to project itself in an aggressive avatar.

It would be basically united to ensure that the interests of the Nations are not trampled by China and be more of a Force that appears as a 'Threat in Being'.
 

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nope any sensible person with a brain will not read epochtime. unless you are falunkong :)
Lol epochtime. Do ppl really read news from that site
You seem to have misplaced jingoism as a Chinese communist acolyte wherein, you flatter yourself by closing your eyes and perfunctorily rubbish what is not suited to your agenda without even bothering to check out the facts..

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Transliteration (pinyin): Fáng rén zhī xīn bùkě wú.
Traditional: 防人之心不可無
Simplified: 防人之心不可无
Careful with others is a must have.
English equivalent: He that reckons without his host must reckon again.
"This proverb is usually applied to such persons, who are apt to be partial in one Affair, flattering themselves with the Advantages they fansy to be on their side, and making no Allowances for the Disadvantages that will or may attend them."


Here is something for you to do a 'wakey wakey'.

China warns Australia against military pact with US

BEIJING: China has warned Australia that it may be "caught in the crossfire" if the US uses new Australia-based military forces to threaten its interests, a day after Canberra and Washington renewed a defence pact......

China's state-run People's Daily in an editorial said that the new Australia-US defence pact posed a security threat to Australia.

"Australia surely cannot play China for a fool. It is impossible for China to remain detached, no matter what Australia does to undermine its security," it said.

"If Australia uses its military bases to help the US harm Chinese interests, then Australia itself will be caught in the crossfire. There is real worry in the Chinese society concerning Australia's acceptance of an increased US military presence. Such psychology will influence the long-term development of the Australia-China relationship," the editorial said.

"Gillard may be ignoring something - their economic co-operation with China does not pose any threat to the US, whereas the Australia-US military alliance serves to counter China," it further said.

Chinese Foreign Ministry also dubbed the alliance as inappropriate and counter to the peaceful development of the region.

"It may not be quite appropriate to intensify and expand military alliances and may not be in the interest of countries within this region," Foreign Ministry spokesman Liu Weimin was quoted as saying.

"China believes that peaceful development and co-operation is a trend of the times and is the mainstream of the foreign policy of countries within this region, especially against the backdrop of sluggish economic growth."
China warns Australia against military pact with US - The Times of India
China reproaches Australia over strengthened US defence ties

CHINA has strongly reproached Canberra over strengthened US defence ties, warning Australia may be "caught in the crossfire" if the United States uses new Australian-based military forces to threaten its interests.

A strongly-worded editorial in the state-owned People's Daily said the new Australian-US defence pact posed a security threat to Australia.

"Australia surely cannot play China for a fool. It is impossible for China to remain detached, no matter what Australia does to undermine its security," it said.

"If Australia uses its military bases to help the US harm Chinese interests, then Australia itself will be caught in the crossfire."

The editorial admonished Australia for relying on China for its economic interests while turning to the United States for political and security purposes.

"Gillard may be ignoring something - their economic co-operation with China does not pose any threat to the US, whereas the Australia-US military alliance serves to counter China," it said.

The Chinese Foreign Ministry also branded the strengthened alliance as inappropriate and counter to the peaceful development of the region.

"It may not be quite appropriate to intensify and expand military alliances and may not be in the interest of countries within this region," Foreign Ministry spokesman Liu Weimin said last night.

"China believes that peaceful development and co-operation is a trend of the times and is the mainstream of the foreign policy of countries within this region, especially against the backdrop of sluggish economic growth."

The strong Chinese reaction to yesterday's announcement followed stern words from Indonesia's Foreign Minister, Marty Natalegawa.

"What I would hate to see is if such a development were to provoke a reaction and counter-reaction," he said in Bali, where President Barack Obama and Prime Minister Julia Gillard are headed tonight for the ASEAN and East Asia leaders' tonight.

Unveiling plans yesterday to station 2500 US marines in the Northern Territory within five years, the US President confirmed Australia's strategic importance in an Asia-Pacific century dominated by the growing power of China and India.

But while the two leaders found common ground on regional security and development, Mr Obama undermined the Prime Minister's claim that her carbon tax mirrored a global trend, making clear the US would not price carbon within the next five years.

Mr Obama arrived in Canberra late yesterday on a trip mainly designed to lock in deeper security ties with Australia to mark the 60th anniversary of the defence treaty between the two nations.

"Our alliance is going to be indispensable to our shared future, the security we need, and the prosperity that we seek, not only in this region but around the world," Mr Obama said alongside Ms Gillard. "This is a region of huge importance to us. This is right up there at the top of my priority list. We are going to make sure that we are able to fulfil out leadership role in the Asia-Pacific region."

In his first visit to Australia as US President, Mr Obama noted the Asia-Pacific's status as engine room for global economic growth justified deeper US engagement, including leadership in creating or maintaining "rules of the road" for all nations to guide orderly development and maintain peace and prosperity. And while he stressed he welcomed the rise of China, Mr Obama said "with their rise comes increased responsibility", which included playing "by the rules" of being a world power.

During private talks yesterday, Ms Gillard and Mr Obama finalised a new security deal under which the US will station 250 US marines in the Northern Territory for six months a year from next year, gradually increasing the commitment to 2500 marines by 2016-17.

Mr Obama said he wanted to send a clear message to the region that the US wanted to lift its engagement and also underline the strength of its alliance with Australia. Ms Gillard said the initiatives would make the alliance stronger and strengthen regional co-operation.

"We are a region that is growing economically, but stability is important for economic growth too," she said.

"And our alliance has been a bedrock of stability in our region. So building on our alliance through this new initiative is about stability. It will be good for the Australian Defence Force to increase their capabilities by joint training, combined training, with the US marines and personnel."

Indonesia's Foreign Minister Marty Natalegawa last night warned Mr Gillard and Mr Obama their northern Australia deployment plan risked creating a "vicious circle of tension and mistrust in the region" unless its purpose was made transparent.

While the President went out of his way to promote his host, describing Ms Gillard as his friend and praising her as down-to-earth and easy to talk to, he was unable to provide political backing when asked about the carbon tax, which will take effect from July 1.

Mr Obama lauded the Prime Minister's $23-a-tonne carbon tax as "bold", but said the US was acting on climate change by funding alternative energy research and cutting car emissions - a strategy similar to Tony Abbott's direct action policy, attacked by Ms Gillard as inadequate.

During the long and often-bruising political debate that led to the tax, Ms Gillard justified her plan by warning that if Australia did not embrace a carbon tax it could be left behind by the rest of the world and even face new tariffs from nations that had put a price on carbon.

The Prime Minister has rejected Mr Abbott's direct-action plan as inadequate to cut emissions and criticised the fact it would slug Australian taxpayers.

But last night, as the two leaders held a press conference after an hour of talks, Mr Obama was asked whether the US would adopt a national carbon tax within the next five years. "In the US, although we haven't passed what we call a cap-and-trade system, an exchange, what we have done is, for example, taken steps to double fuel-efficiency standards on cars, which will have an enormous impact on removing carbon from the atmosphere," the President said.

"We've invested heavily in clean-energy research ... with improved efficiencies and a whole range of steps, we can meet the commitments we made (in international conferences) in Copenhagen and Cancun."

Mr Obama called on developing nations to take action on climate change, but he said not all nations needed to take the same actions. "Ultimately, what we want is a mechanism whereby all countries are making an effort and it's going to be a tough slog, particularly at a time when the economies, a lot of economies, are still struggling," he said. "But I think it's actually one that over the long term can be beneficial."

Under plans for an increased military presence in Australia, US troops will engage in joint exercises with their Australian counterparts, as well as conduct their own exercises. Australia has agreed to facilitate greater use of Darwin by US military aircraft including jet fighters and B52 bombers, and will develop plans to boost use of Western Australia's Stirling naval base by US vessels.

Mr Obama praised China's economic development and said it would be wrong to think the US was afraid of the emerging giant or that it was trying to exclude it from international forums such as the Trans-Pacific Partnership - a proposed free-trade area.

Mr Obama said he wanted China to be involved in the TPP but that, like all TPP members, it would have to "rethink some of its approaches to trade" if it wanted to join.

The US wanted "a clear set of principles that all of us can abide by so that all of us can succeed".

"It's going to require China, just like all the rest of us, to align all of our existing policies and what we've done in the past with what's required for a better future," Mr Obama said.

He said his message in talks with Chinese leaders was that the growth of its power required the acceptance of increased responsibility. "It's important for them to play by the rules of the road and in fact help underwrite the rules that have allowed so much remarkable economic progress to be made over the last several decades," he said. "When China is playing by those rules, recognising its new role, I think this is a win-win situation."

But he said there would be times when China did not play by the rules, and that the US would then be prepared to send a message to its leaders about the responsibilities of being a super power.

Last night, Mr Obama was the guest at a dinner at Parliament House. Today he will address a joint sitting of the parliament before joining Ms Gillard for a visit to Darwin.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/arc...nce-barack-obama/story-fnb0o39u-1226197460882
Apparently Epoch Times is not that much of a joke as the Communist Chinese abroad think it is!

Or is Peoples' Daily, a subsidiary of the Epoch Times?

And the Chinese Communist Foreign Ministry spokesman Liu Weimin, a secret undercover agent of teh Falun Gong?
 
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