Calling Pakistan's nuclear bluff

[BangersAndMash]

So what would China do? Try to disarm Pakistan? Restrain it?

China can't even restrain North Korea - a country that literally depends on China to eat - so why do you think China could restrain Pakistan?

And even if China could, what makes you think China would knuckle under such a threat instead of accelerating BMD and giving Pakistan a few tons of plutonium, advanced warhead designs, and third-generation ballistic missiles?

After all, China knows that if it really gets dragged into a free-for-all between Pakistan and India, it can lay waste to India while suffering the loss of maybe 5-10 cities. It's army could then invade India while the IA was reeling from mass nuclear bombardment and dealing with Pakistan.

And what's more, not only does China know this - but Pakistan knows this as well. Pakistan then knows that, thanks to India's idiotic policy of making China a nuclear target in response to Pakistani aggression, it essentially can count China's nuclear arsenal as its own nuclear arsenal, for the purposes of strategic calculations vis a vis India. Paradoxically, such an act would multiply Pakistani military power relative to India.

There is not much china or anyone can do to help a mental patient (pakistan) that holds a gun to it's own head. Damage is already done by a highly irresponsible china giving nukes to a schizo, but karma is a bitch, what goes around comes around, pakistan has a habit of biting the hand that feeds it, no doubt china will get a taste of this and learn it's lesson the hard way, pak army has terrorist sympathisers, in fact pak army are just terrorists in uniform, fingers crossed one day a religious nutcase from pak goes bananas when seeing his fellow muslims in East Turkistan being oppressed by the chinese and gives them a dirty bomb that is blown up in the middle of a chinese city.

 

[Decklander]

There is not much china or anyone can do to help a mental patient (pakistan) that holds a gun to it's own head. Damage is already done by a highly irresponsible china giving nukes to a schizo, but karma is a bitch, what goes around comes around, pakistan has a habit of biting the hand that feeds it, no doubt china will get a taste of this and learn it's lesson the hard way, pak army has terrorist sympathisers, in fact pak army are just terrorists in uniform, fingers crossed one day a religious nutcase from pak goes bananas when seeing his fellow muslims in East Turkistan being oppressed by the chinese and gives them a dirty bomb that is blown up in the middle of a chinese city.

Aameen. let this be a reality

 

[I-G]

Pakistan was having Nuclear weapons by 1981 and infact it was the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan which has turned off the international attention from Pakistan Nuclear Programme .

Soviets were trying to make India attack Pakistan during its invasion of Afghanistan in 1980 and on another hand Israel was trying to convince India to give air bases in 1982 to attack Pakistan Nuclear Programme which was not approved by PM Indira Gandhi because that would start all out war between India and Pakistan and the whole sub continent would have been burning with millions of deaths .

Both India and Pakistan were nuclear weapons states by 1981 .

 

[dhananjay1]

Pakistan was having Nuclear weapons by 1981 and infact it was the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan which has turned off the international attention from Pakistan Nuclear Programme .

Soviets were trying to make India attack Pakistan during its invasion of Afghanistan in 1980 and on another hand Israel was trying to convince India to give air bases in 1982 to attack Pakistan Nuclear Programme which was not approved by PM Indira Gandhi because that would start all out war between India and Pakistan and the whole sub continent would have been burning with millions of deaths .

Both India and Pakistan were nuclear weapons states by 1981 .

Where did you read this? In 'History of land of pure in 80's' by your local mullah?

 

[Yusuf]

Where did you read this? In 'History of land of pure in 80's' by your local mullah?

Not sure about 81, but by mid 80s they did have it. India has it since 74. We didn't weaponize till 88 when Rajiv Gandhi gave the go ahead after his idealistic disarmament plea fell on deaf ears.

 

[I-G]

Where did you read this? In 'History of land of pure in 80's' by your local mullah?

in Western sources .. This is even one of the reason that Indian PM Indira Gandhi was not willing to give Indian bases to Israel in 1982 to attack Pakistan Nuclear reactor.

What Mullah have to do here ? Why getting so much personal ?

 

[I-G]

Not sure about 81, but by mid 80s they did have it. India has it since 74. We didn't weaponize till 88 when Rajiv Gandhi gave the go ahead after his idealistic disarmament plea fell on deaf ears.

By the early summer of 1981, State Department intelligence estimated that the Pakistanis were "probably capable of producing a workable device at this time," although the Kahuta enrichment plant was unlikely to produce enough fissile material for a test until 1983.
How Israel collected information about Pakistani nukes: document - DAWN.COM

Its according to Pakistani news .

Chinese provided blue prints by 1980 /

 

[dhananjay1]

in Western sources .. This is even one of the reason that Indian PM Indira Gandhi was not willing to give Indian bases to Israel in 1982 to attack Pakistan Nuclear reactor.

What Mullah have to do here ? Why getting so much personal ?

Which 'western sources' these might be? The 'sources' that claim Russia was asking India to attack Pakistan and Israel was asking for Indian bases to attack Pakistani nuclear facilities. And don't whine about being 'so much personal', this is positively courteous.

 

[Decklander]

Pak did not have a nuke till 1990s. They had a design but no bomb which cud be delivered by any missile or aircraft.

 

[SamwiseTheBrave]

In the eyes of P5, India is not different from Pakistan on nukes!



Of course, you can call anyone bluffing since it is quite safe sitting in front of your screen.

thats bullshit - the P5 does not treat indian nukes the same way as paki nukes , for the plain and simple fact that india has an NFU policy whereas pakis brandish their nukes as a madman holding a gun to his head.
in fact chinese and indian nukes will be treated alike due to the similar nuclear doctrines of india and china !
and yes, calling this bluff is as safe as anyone sitting in front of their screen since thats what it is - a bluff ! thanks for reinforcing my point

 

[t_co]

There is not much china or anyone can do to help a mental patient (pakistan) that holds a gun to it's own head. Damage is already done by a highly irresponsible china giving nukes to a schizo, but karma is a bitch, what goes around comes around, pakistan has a habit of biting the hand that feeds it, no doubt china will get a taste of this and learn it's lesson the hard way, pak army has terrorist sympathisers, in fact pak army are just terrorists in uniform, fingers crossed one day a religious nutcase from pak goes bananas when seeing his fellow muslims in East Turkistan being oppressed by the chinese and gives them a dirty bomb that is blown up in the middle of a chinese city.

did you seriously just wish for the deaths of thousands of Chinese because China may or may not have given Pakistan a nuclear bomb design in the 70s?

 

[I-G]

Which 'western sources' these might be? The 'sources' that claim Russia was asking India to attack Pakistan and Israel was asking for Indian bases to attack Pakistani nuclear facilities. And don't whine about being 'so much personal', this is positively courteous.

Soviets did asked Indians to attack Pakistan in 1981 and open one more front to help them because Soviets were not able to handle the war on its own and during that time only , Israelis approached India to give them bases to attack Pakistani Nuclear sites . Soviets, Israelis were just working to drag Indians in the conflict and make the whole Sub continent to burn and start war of civilizations .

 

[BangersAndMash]

China have given Pakistan a nuclear bomb

China defo gave Schizostan nukes ... here's the proof ... and I truly hope it bites china in the a$$ HARD for this dastardly act.


Enjoy the vid....I'll skip the fried rice and go for the noodles!

 

[The Messiah]

Pak did not have a nuke till 1990s. They had a design but no bomb which cud be delivered by any missile or aircraft.

Bastards cant make needle and your saying they made nukes in 90's ?

China gifted it to them and usa turned a blind eye as India needed to be bogged down.

 

[I-G]

Bastards cant make needle and your saying they made nukes in 90's ?

China gifted it to them and usa turned a blind eye as India needed to be bogged down.

China gave nuclear blue prints to Pakistan in 1980 .

USA turned blind eye because of the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan .

 

[The Messiah]

China gave nuclear blue prints to Pakistan in 1980 .

USA turned blind eye because of the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan .

Not only that but after sino-soviet split pakis acted like middle man between china and usa.

All three were best of pals at that time...they still are pals.

 

[Alpha1]

Though I won't make the mistake of relying on their missile systems flaws. However flawed they might be I would want to rely on our countermeasures. That is the reason the ABM shield is so important for us. It takes the bite out of their so called missiles. But my doubt is whether our missile shield will be able.to intercept their longest range missiles.what is the longest range that our planned AAD and PAD can take out? Is it enough against Pakistan?

The ABM is useless against an all out Nuclear attack!
Plus we have terraing hugging Babur. RA'AD too

 

[LETHALFORCE]

The ABM is useless against an all out Nuclear attack!
Plus we have terraing hugging Babur. RA'AD too

Why would ABM be useles? Can you give a link where pakistan has demonstrated
Nuclear capability beyond 10 kilotons?

 

[Decklander]

The ABM is useless against an all out Nuclear attack!
Plus we have terraing hugging Babur. RA'AD too

It will be very good for you if you educate yourself about the difference between a nuke and a hand grenade? You seem to be loading your nukes even on 70mm rockets.

 

[sayareakd]

The ABM is useless against an all out Nuclear attack!
Plus we have terraing hugging Babur. RA'AD too

Two things are going on with both the countries, first Pakistan has change its nuclear doctrine, earlier it had "Minimum credible" deterrence, after seeing what Indian BMD can do it has change it and is making fastest growing nuclear arsenal (our BMD is responsible for this).

Indian on the other hand is changing its doctrine from "Credible minimum" to "force multiplication and hair trigger alert" doctrine.
this thread will help you. http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...e-force-multiplier-deterrence.html#post796993

As far as Pakistani cruise missiles are concern, Aero star radar, AWAC and Mini AWAC of SU 30 MKI can detect them and after that it will be taken care by LMG on any fighter or AAA or any AA system.

BTW in future it can also happen that we without declaration give up NFU and attack Pakistan. Any idea how Pakistan is going to stop our nukes wiping it from the world map if that happens?