'We would prefer Indian goods over Chinese' - S.Korea

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Can anyone offer any brand names of GOODS that's present in Korea? Some people seem to read too much into a diplomat's blandishment :lol:


The world has given China the vote of confidence by coming to China!

Manipulated Data..
 

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Manipulated Data..
:laugh: aside from manipulated data what're your findings of INDIAN brand names of GOODS that're present in Korea?

r u aware that Samsung is now struggling its way out in face of Chinese competition >>> Samsung vs. Xiaomi ?
The profit plunge reported by Samsung Electronics last week raises questions about the company's vertically integrated model and economies of scale that once made it appear to be unassailable.

Samsung's current troubles are a warning to other Korean manufacturers that depend on a similar model since they are becoming vulnerable to more nimble competitors.

When times are good, Samsung enjoyed a virtuous cycle. The boom in demand for its smartphones provided plenty of business for its component divisions, including semiconductors, displays and batteries. But as Samsung smartphones sales fall, the company is suffering from a domino effect since its display and chip businesses rely heavily on the mobile unit doing well.

A key reason for the decline in Samsung's fortunes has been the rise of Chinese smartphone makers, led by Xiaomi, who have adopted the Android system, like Samsung, and bought components elsewhere to offer quality products comparable to Samsung but at a cheaper price. Xiaomi's suppliers are among the best in the industry, including displays from Sharp and Japan Display and chips from Qualcomm.
Samsung, Hyundai, KIA have always been staple names of Korean quality. But now...
 

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5 Ways To Profit From A China Downturn In 2014

But as Asia Confidential outlined in a recent post, the bulls' arguments are looking much weaker post two spasms of credit stress. And there are four crucial things that these arguments seem to ignore: 1) the investment-driven, debt-laden economic model of China simply isn't sustainable 2) extraordinary credit growth is yielding less and less benefit as investment returns deteriorate 3) the recent spikes in inter-bank rates and high-profile debt defaults (China Everbright Bank) and bankruptcies (coal mining group, Liansheng Resources Group) point to severe stresses within the financial system 4) the structural reforms are a long-term positive, but short-term net-negative for the economy.



It's important to understand how China's economy got to be so big in a short space of time. The speed of economic ascent has no parallel in modern times and it's been the result of a classic export-led growth model.

What this means is that China has been able to mass produce goods on an unprecedented scale given the appetite for these goods abroad. This has helped lift industrial investment well beyond the level which would be needed if it focused solely on the domestic market. And it's been aided by a key competitive advantage on the global stage: cheap labor. The end result has been that China has been able to suppress domestic demand and pour resources into investment.

The reason why this export-led model is unsustainable is that China now produces so many goods that the rest of the world cannot possibly absorb them all. China's gotten to big for its own good, in crude terms.

When the 2008 financial crisis hit, Chinese exports plummeted and the limits of the model became apparent. However, China cushioned the blow by implementing massive stimulus measures. In effect, it sunk even more money into investments, such as infrastructure, property and factories. The problem to this day is there hasn't been the end-demand for these investments. In other words, export demand has remained soft and domestic demand for goods hasn't been able to pick up the slack.

And a bigger problem is that the much of the investments via the stimulus were debt-financed, principally to state-owned firms. These firms were deemed less risky by banks.

That's created an issue for small firms which haven't had access to bank financing. Given reduced export and domestic demand, they've had to resort to financing from outside the banks, the so-called shadow banking system. They've had to pay much higher interest rates as a consequence. And it's widely known that the collateral used for non-bank financing is less-than-solid, on average.

As you may be able to see from the above, the export-led model which China has used over the past 30 years is running into a dead-end. What the new leadership is now trying to do is transition the economy towards more domestic consumption, so that it can perhaps make up for the drop-off in export growth.

The history of transitions from export-led models doesn't make for pretty reading. These transitions for Japan in 1973 and South Korea in 1991 led to sharp slowdowns in economic growth, as seen in the chart below.



Lastly, faith in the new leadership to deliver a successful transition appears misplaced. As noted above, we think Xi Jinping is the right leader to steer the country for the next decade. And many of his proposed reforms have merit and should help in re-balancing the economy.

However, the fact is that China has hemmed itself into a corner where there are limited solutions in the near-term. Cut back on credit-driven investment and GDP falls sharply. Keep the party going and risk a larger blow-up in the not-too-distant future. Moreover, the bulls conveniently downplay that implementation of structural reforms would be a net-negative for growth in the short run.

As for the argument that China can always use its foreign exchange (forex) reserves to provide further stimulus to prop up the economy, the people who purport this have little knowledge of basic economics.

If China were to use substantial forex reserves in this way, it would become a large net-seller of U.S. Treasury bonds. To prevent a spike in interest rates, the U.S. central bank would have to significantly step up purchases, funded ultimately by private citizens savings. Less of these savings would dampen U.S. consumption and ultimately, Chinese exports to the US.. In other words, a move by China to substantially cut forex reserves would not only be a disaster for the developed world but for China itself.

5 Ways To Profit From A China Downturn In 2014 - Forbes
 

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Almost all major Indian Pharma Brands are present in SK along with Tata, ABG, Essar, L&T to name a few..
 

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This is India hater at work removing the kashmir state from the Indian map.

Can anyone offer any brand names of GOODS that's present in Korea? Some people seem to read too much into a diplomat's blandishment :lol:


The world has given China the vote of confidence by coming to China!

 

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This is India hater at work removing the kashmir state from the Indian map.
Do u mean adding the India administered Kashmir up will significantly increase the Number of Arrivals at India?

The point the graph tries to convey is that regardless of how hard SK ambassador placates u with heartening words that's not changing the ground reality i.e. C-J-K are culturally and economically interwined. The number of inter-visits among C-J-K can be singled out as enormous as 2 crores, with 20% of the world GDP! That tells a lot about the dynamic interations among N. Asians. India is not enticing enough for Korean disorbit from the Central Kingdom. :wave:
 

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Do u mean adding the India administered Kashmir up will significantly increase the Number of Arrivals at India?

The point the graph tries to convey is that regardless of how hard SK ambassador placates u with heartening words that's not changing the ground reality i.e. C-J-K are culturally and economically interwined. The number of inter-visits among C-J-K can be singled out as enormous as 2 crores, with 20% of the world GDP! That tells a lot about the dynamic interations among N. Asians. India is not enticing enough for Korean disorbit from the Central Kingdom. :wave:


Once the Buddist heritage sites are developed and open for tourism, we expect influx of North Asians, ASEAN and other people to flock India. Don't worry, India has huge potential in tourism. Only thing we need to do is deal with the idiotic media which is damaging the reputation of women safety in India.
 

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This is India hater at work removing the kashmir state from the Indian map.
That's why I mentioned it as a biased report or China Administered report. They included ladakh in their territory and given Kashmir to Pakistan.

This is not the end, they even erased 2 countries from existence - Tajikistan and Kyrgystan.
 

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This year your firecracker industry felt the heat. It is not our countrymen who chose CCP, it is the result of previous govt who allowed access to inferior Chinese goods in the name of trade and commerce.
Wait a minute, are you accusing that your previous govt was forcing you people to buy Chinese products? Your countrymen are not buying foreign products with a free will?

Poor countrymen are not realizing that they are actually paying more on a particular need by multiple purchases against Chinese solution. Very few products of Chinese origin pass through quality checks. India is losing huge forex on inferior Chinese products. A tougher stand by the govt can fix the trade imbalance overnight.
This isn't the first year that Chinese products coming to India. Hell, this isn't the first decade that Chinese sells to India. And your "poor" countrymen haven't find what you find after so many years. Are you implying that your countrymen are too stupid to see the truth?

So do not glorify the Cheap Chinese Products (CCP)..
No, my friend, I am not glorifying the CHEAP Chinese products. Your countrymen are.
 

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its not the results, its the price which speaks louder in context of chinese goods.......
So, you Indians are buying it more and more.
No matter how many times you argue "quality" Indian products, your own people still choose Chinese goods over it.
Who is wrong? Your manufacturer? or Your consumers?
 

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So, you Indians are buying it more and more.
No matter how many times you argue "quality" Indian products, your own people still choose Chinese goods over it.
Who is wrong? Your manufacturer? or Your consumers?
i did mention price in my earlier post.
 

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If Indian companies can make quality goods, we are ready to buy it.
the south Korean has made it quite clear that Indian companies couldnt made quality goods yet.
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what he was actually saying was this :-
India , please hurry up .....we cant stand it any longer with this lousy ch.... products !!
 

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Not just India China there are many other exporters in the world, Indonesia, Mexico and so on. Nobody will have qualms abt buying Indian goods if they prove so good and competitive.

Let Mr. Market talk. Korean consumers can vote with their own money .
 

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what he was actually saying was this :-
India , please hurry up .....we cant stand it any longer with this lousy ch.... products !!
This thread has some interesting discussion.

Basic fact - PRICE has its own quality.

I agree that Chinese strategy of undercutting on price has worked. It has brought the mighty Japanese to their knees.

As I said earlier, China has its strengths. Informed Indians always acknowledge China's strengths.
 

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Not just India China there are many other exporters in the world, Indonesia, Mexico and so on. Nobody will have qualms abt buying Indian goods if they prove so good and competitive.

Let Mr. Market talk. Korean consumers can vote with their own money .
Koreans will buy more Indian goods purely as Korean companies make more here and Japanese companies also make more here. So the quality you crave is actually a factor of goods made by Korean and Japanese companies in INDIA.

Many US and European companies have transferred their manufacturing to India or are in the process. So quality of these goods will be same as when made in their original countries.
 

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Wait a minute, are you accusing that your previous govt was forcing you people to buy Chinese products? Your countrymen are not buying foreign products with a free will?


This isn't the first year that Chinese products coming to India. Hell, this isn't the first decade that Chinese sells to India. And your "poor" countrymen haven't find what you find after so many years. Are you implying that your countrymen are too stupid to see the truth?

No, my friend, I am not glorifying the CHEAP Chinese products. Your countrymen are.
There are 2 types of Inferior quality CCP (Cheap Chinese Product) buyers -

1. First Time Buyers - There is a chunk of population who belong to Lower Middle Class Category. They make the mistake by purchasing CCP and later upgrade them by moving to Standard products. This category of buyers are primarily less informed about quality of CCP and do not consider long term utility. Their quest is on meeting the immediate needs. They purchase them because of the availability of the CCP. Later they realize that they made the mistake by considering the "Cheap" aspect.
2. Disposable Needs - This is the other category who purchase of CCP for one time use or short term utility. This also include who deliberately purchase same Cheap Chinese Product multiple times so as to avoid a sudden high value expenditure by purchasing a quality product.

The availability of these products in the market is to be blamed. Govt allowed import of these products and the local businessmen took the advantage by positioning these products as Standard products. Govt did not provide the quality guidelines on import of Chinese goods. Ultimately they are taking toll on the quality products from China as people developed a negative perception about Chinese products as a whole. This is the reason people protest when the govt plan for a high quality tech purchase from China.

Regarding the second part of your concern, yes this did not happen overnight, nor the perception against the Chinese products developed overnight. I doubt about further growth in the Import of Chinese goods in India. It will rather be stagnant in value ($$$) and the volume will decrease.
 

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@brational, India is signatory to WTO agreements. The trade with China has increased due to WTO. +Indian government wants trade with China to reduce mistrust.
 
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@brational, India is signatory to WTO agreements. The trade with China has increased due to WTO. +Indian government wants trade with China to reduce mistrust.
I am not questioning govts efforts to reduce mistrusts with China. I am telling you the facts which led to mistrusts on Chinese products. It seems like India is the only signatory in WTO in the world. WTO never pressed govt of India to allow import of substandard Chinese products. Barring few, the Chinese products which are available in India you will not find them even in Chinese market because they have discarded those due to poor quality.

The growth in India-China bi-lateral trade in the past decade was not organic/normal. Our local businessmen got a free ride and imported the junks and made huge profits. They damaged the market for quality products produced by China.
 
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Korea has a powerful manufacturing capability. They can manufacture thousands of hi-tech gadgets, hundreds of ships and other heavy powerplants in just a set number of days despite a tiny workforce while India is still reeling with poor pay and trade unions.

Instead of focusing on high-pay-higher-productivity economy, our manufacturing sector, its infrastructure and focus has been languishing for decades.

For once and perhaps the first time in history, we have a MAKE IN INDIA campaign being promoted so seriously.

I really wish that the labour unions and other groups don't make any issues for the prime minister to implement this.

There has to be a balance of good work compensation and high quality finishing.

We can produce and make stuff but most of it is on very low scale.

Scale and innovation is where Korea excels.

China has already reached there while we are still decades behind.
 

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