Afghanistan - News & Discussions

[su30mki2017]

Classical British govt BS propaganda and Disinformation campaign

 

[WolfPack86]

Afghanistan had asked for 150 T-72 main battle tanks from India. Is there is any progress particular about this deal.

 

[Mikesingh]

Afghanistan had asked for 150 T-72 main battle tanks from India. Is there is any progress particular about this deal.

India had also signed an agreement with Russia under which it will pay Russia to supply arms and ammunition to Afghanistan. The deal calls for the supply of light artillery and mortars, air support helicopters and armoured vehicles.

The deal also finances the resumption of an old armaments factory near Kabul and identifying and retro-fitting Russian military equipment. Afghanistan’s request for T-72 tanks, 105 mm howitzers, AN -32 transport planes, Mi -17 and Mi - 24 attack helicopters along with bridge laying equipment and trucks is being facilitated and the requisite training is being given.

So far, short of having boots on the ground, direct supply of Indian arms and equipment is being carried out as per the assurances made to Afghanistan. The exact number of weapon platforms supplied to Afghanistan till date is however not known.

 

[kamaal]

India had also signed an agreement with Russia under which it will pay Russia to supply arms and ammunition to Afghanistan. The deal calls for the supply of light artillery and mortars, air support helicopters and armoured vehicles.

The deal also finances the resumption of an old armaments factory near Kabul and identifying and retro-fitting Russian military equipment. Afghanistan’s request for T-72 tanks, 105 mm howitzers, AN -32 transport planes, Mi -17 and Mi - 24 attack helicopters along with bridge laying equipment and trucks is being facilitated and the requisite training is being given.

So far, short of having boots on the ground, direct supply of Indian arms and equipment is being carried out as per the assurances made to Afghanistan. The exact number of weapon platforms supplied to Afghanistan till date is however not known.

Can we afford this ?

How much money we are making from Afghanistan ?

Or is it strategic investment with no scope for return. And why are we paying others to supply weapons to Afghan forces, I know we are friends, but if we are not getting anything in monetary gain then we are wasting public money here.

 

[sorcerer]

India had also signed an agreement with Russia under which it will pay Russia to supply arms and ammunition to Afghanistan. The deal calls for the supply of light artillery and mortars, air support helicopters and armoured vehicles.

The deal also finances the resumption of an old armaments factory near Kabul and identifying and retro-fitting Russian military equipment. Afghanistan’s request for T-72 tanks, 105 mm howitzers, AN -32 transport planes, Mi -17 and Mi - 24 attack helicopters along with bridge laying equipment and trucks is being facilitated and the requisite training is being given.

So far, short of having boots on the ground, direct supply of Indian arms and equipment is being carried out as per the assurances made to Afghanistan. The exact number of weapon platforms supplied to Afghanistan till date is however not known.

How effective can this arrangement work with Russian equation in pakistan.
Well!!! NOW ..Russia can supply both sides of the war with "cheap and EFFECTIVE " weapons


Errrmmmm!!! That seems to be the plan...
When India couldnt afford weapons then Russia supplied India....

Now Indian can afford "FANTASTIC and SMART" weapons and technology also that Russian weapons have to "COMPETE" against international companies in India.

but pakistan and Afghanistan BOTH needs dirt cheap old weapons and Russia can sell their old stocks.

with pakistan..RUssia can provide diplomatic support and armament support to Afghanistan..
that will work for Russia

 

[Kalki_2018]

IA can provide the unupgraded T-72's (not undergone CIA2) and also 105mm IFG and Grads mounted on TATA trucks. IA should seriously replace these with Arjun-Mk2, 155 mm ULH and Pinaka-MK2's.

 

[Butter Chicken]

6 Indians abducted by Taliban in Afghanistan

 

[patriots]

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[aarav]

Afghan security forces really have some issues with enemy inside of them ,the attack on police academy was inside job ,so are the most bombings in Kabul capital now this abduction of indians , Afghan security forces are attached to them ,wonder what they were doing ?

 

[Lord Darklord]

Taliban claims to defeat Islamic State fighters in north Afghanistan

MAZAR-I-SHARIF: More than 150 Islamic State fighters surrendered to Afghan security forces in the northwestern province of Jawzjan after they were defeated and driven out by the Taliban, Taliban and government officials said on Wednesday.

The defeat represents a major setback for the group, which first appeared in eastern Afghanistan around four years ago and which had gained a foothold in southern Jawzjan, where it fought for control of smuggling routes into neighbouring Turkmenistan.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/177099...eat-islamic-state-fighters-north-afghanistan/

 

[Defenceanalyst91]

Kandahar police chief, governor, corps commader killed by insider attack . Taliban claims responsibility. Pakis r celebrating this

 

[ezsasa]

Kandahar police chief, governor, corps commader killed by insider attack . Taliban claims responsibility. Pakis r celebrating this

Oh dear!!! Pakis finally got him....
He was one of the afghans, who hated pakis from the core.

Wasn’t he in charge of Chaman border point.

 

[Defenceanalyst91]

Now Kandahar province at the risk of Taliban take over. Gen Abdul Raziq is the only person able to resist Taliban in Kandahar

 

[AMCA]

US General Miller wounded in Taliban attack in Afghanistan.

 

[kamaal]

Kandahar police chief, governor, corps commader killed by insider attack . Taliban claims responsibility. Pakis r celebrating this

If the news is true, it's a big setback for Afghans. I can see many ISI agents celebrating in Pakistan on social media. But its more important somebody equally talented must replace him.

Taliban was given some time to regroup and attack which is now proved to be a big mistake. I think this will be a lesson to those who think they can talk with taliban i.e. China, Turkey and even Russia.

 

[Haldiram]

Can we afford this ?

How much money we are making from Afghanistan ?

Or is it strategic investment with no scope for return. And why are we paying others to supply weapons to Afghan forces, I know we are friends, but if we are not getting anything in monetary gain then we are wasting public money here.

Yes.

A T-72 tank on the Afghan border is worth 2 tanks on the Indian side of the border because Pakistani military planners then have to commission extra tanks and split their resources for a two front scenario.

If you look only in monetary terms, Afghanistan has very little scope to make you any gains on your investment. All they can sell you is Copper and grapes. It is, at best, a trade route to central Asia. Control of this route is important, which is why the Russians and British have fought over it since the time of the Czar, and that is why the US picked Afghanistan as the staging area for taking on Russia during the Cold War. It is a strategic ground. And as all "strategic" things go, they make you no money, on the contrary, you have to spend money to secure them. The benefit comes from elsewhere.

Indian influence in Afghanistan prevents foreign powers from turning it into another Syria and creating a security nightmare for us. A stable Afghanistan means Indian finished products can be shipped to central Asia and then to Europe via Chabahar - Afghanistan - Russia rail route. For all of this to happen, it's essential that all domestic stakeholders, namely Iran, India, and Russia pledge as much as they can to make sure the West doesn't monopolize that strategic area in our own backyard and lock us out.

If Indians are wondering what is in it for us, you should wonder what is in it for the US to be there, while they already found Osama in Pakistan? All countries cook up a "humanitarian" narrative to tell their respective populations. Our humanitarian work in Afghanistan is similarly a calculated move based on our strategic interests.

 

[kamaal]

Read again 'INSIDER ATTACK', means another Jihadi wants Taliban rule in Afghan once again.

I request Indians support Afghan filth from distance, they are hard core terrorists .... GOI giving visas to these terrorists on education and health grounds.

If you see a bacteria/virus growing in your neighborhood you have to act fast and help your neighbor, if you don't pay heed and allow these deadly organisms to grow you'll end up being surrounded by them one day. The taliban ideology is just like a virus it'll grow if you don't kill them and in no way they'll have peace/friendship with India with Kashmir not very far from them.

Remember a radical/talibanized Afghanistan is a breeding ground for ISI/PA and you know who is their ultimate target. So protecting the afghan people means you are protecting your own future.

Giving visas is in fact much better option than giving them attack helicopter, they'll visit India, they'll see the mixed culture, they'll experience the secular character, they'll see the economic development & all this will be shared back in Afghanistan by their people and this ideas shared will fight against the talibani ideology.

 

[Haldiram]

Read again 'INSIDER ATTACK', means another Jihadi wants Taliban rule in Afghan once again.

I request Indians support Afghan filth from distance, they are hard core terrorists .... GOI giving visas to these terrorists on education and health grounds.

It's quite plausible for there to be 1 or 2 insiders in a group of 100 soldiers. All armies have foreign moles in them. Even India found a mole inside DRDO last week. People are fallible creatures.

Abdul Raziq was a hardcore anti-Taliban person since decades. The Taliban had killed his father and brother during their rule. He was against any peace talks between the Taliban and any other power. The usual suspects in this "inside" attack being Pakistan, which implemented it, and the US which probably bankrolled it and now shedding crocodile tears. Of all the foreign powers involved in Afghanistan, only the US and Pakistan want to talk to the Taliban. They're knocking out everyone who is against the dialogue.

Every time Mattis Says "we stand for an Afghan led, Afghan owned process", he says it reluctantly as if India has pressurized him to say it, in lieu of some diplomatic agreement we have with them. They're doing everything they can do make deals with whoever holds tactical control over large swathes of land and start extracting minerals from Afghanistan. This is the same reason Pakistan has cultivated the Taliban and planted "insiders" into the Afghan army and the US has tacitly allowed it. When the US sponsored their trilateral forum for Afghanistan, they included Turkey and Pakistan in it but left out India. They are desperate to knock out India from Afghanistan and retain Pakistan's influence because Pakistan is a more obedient slave.

Now is not the time for India to let go of our hold on the Afghan process. Replace Raziq with another person favorable to us and continue the policy of no talks with Taliban so that whoever has killed him, knows that this primitive method of assassination is not effective in changing any dynamics.

No one is forcing India to be there. We are there for our own interests. If we have the attitude that we must "get out of the mess", the world will be happy to show us the door, but then no one will take you seriously in the world. If there is a strategic imbalance in our neighborhood, we must have a stake in it. If a beggar nation like Pakistan can sustain their "good" Taliban army despite a faltering economy, and repeated TTP (bad Taliban) attacks, then surely India can sustain its policy of outreach with Afghanistan. I'm pretty sure getting an Afghan insider to create a terror incident inside India would be very high on the ISI's wishlist, just to change the domestic narrative in India. We must be prepared to bash on regardless. The end result of India's great game inside Afghanistan will lead to the fragmentation of Pakistan. No price is too high to pay for that.

 

[Haldiram]

Not even 24 hours since Raziq's death and NDTV has already started its dirty games :

Controversial Afghan Cop, "Torturer-in-Chief", Killed In Taliban Attack

(So basically we now have America's view of the development)

 

[Sikhbrah]

Moles are different and Jihadis are different.There are many soldiers quitting army and joining Taliban,supplying weapons,killing his colleagues etc is frequent in Afghan army.

2.Paki talibans,Afghan talibans,Kashmiri talibans,isis talibans and etc are just variation of one ideology.

If u think it is right to FEED one rabid dog because it is biting another rabid dog is utterly foolish.... just wait for one rabid dog to die and then shoot second one immediately.

Have you seen an interview with General Abdul Raziq?

He is rabid anti pakistani - And openly says in international interviews that the “pakistani Punjab” will forever be a “dushman” enemy for the Afghan.

An enemy of an enemy is our friend. We need Afghans to grow and destroy Paki on the western body and also redraw the Durand line.