Chinese Troops Intrude into Indian Territory in Ladakh!!!

what options India have if china doesn't pull back from ladakh?


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Army takes a step back in Ladakh

The army has stopped patrolling the eastern Ladakh areas beyond the site where Chinese troops have taken up positions — 19km into Indian territory — to avoid escalating the stand-off.
Prior to the Chinese incursion of April 15 soldiers would carry out weekly surveillance on foot, according to army sources.

It is not clear when Indian troops last patrolled the area before Chinese pitched tents and set up a base in the Daulat Beg Oldie sector, bringing matters to a head between the two countries.

It is understood that the government may have advised the army not to comb the sector so that diplomatic efforts are not hampered.
"As of now, there are no plans to launch patrols behind the Chinese positions. Patrolling right up to our perception of the line of actual control may be seen as provocative," a source sai
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Launching armed patrols from other directions beyond the faceoff site is likely to send out a message that the Indian Army plans to cut off the supply lines of the Chinese troops — one of the options that army has suggested to the government to counter the Chinese aggression.

Army chief General Bikram Singh had on Wednesday briefed the government on the ground situation.

The chief gave the government a slew of options to deal with the Chinese incursion, including a proposal to increase troop levels.

Three brigadier-level flag meetings between the two sides have failed to find a solution to the end the 17-day impasse.

There's growing suspicion within the military establishment that the intruding Chinese soldiers will hold on to the Indian territory for quite some time, if not permanently.

China has a tendency to ratchet up the border dispute at frequent intervals, especially before important high-level visits. The latest incursion is timed weeks ahead of Chinese premier Li Keqiang's upcoming visit to India.
Army takes a step back in Ladakh - Hindustan Times
 

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Wrong. Google shows areas always held, and still being held by India as part of China just because China claims it in maps.google.com (google international)
What are the areas held by India but shown as held by PRC by Google International?

Just give me the coordinates, and I can look them up.
 

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Note to Japan and Vietnam. Don't depend on India to provide any semblance of a counterweight to China. Better develop nukes instead.

PLA must be sniggering
This step has the potential to unravel the very foundation of the State.
 

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The same kind of language was used rather more tough by Kurus before war against Pandavas. This is the way sinister bullies talk.

These cluster----s have invaded our territories, have been encroaching inch by inch, now expecting us to believe it is political stand off.

I would pity those who will believe Chinese lies. Only legitimacy they carry with these rants is the might they allegedly have, and It is high time this bluff is called out.
 

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Good hand them Ladakh, Sikkim and Arunachal Pradesh too lesser patrols that way.

I am learning Chinese.
Singh, a temporary move to lower tensions during negotiations is not the same as a permanent move to abdicate.
 

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Flag meet site with the chinese - Google Maps

Sirijap - Google Maps

Khursak Fort - Google Maps

Dambu Guru - Google Maps

And many more...

Actually the line in maps.google.com is the Chinese claim line, and not the LAC.

What are the areas held by India but shown as held by PRC by Google International?

Just give me the coordinates, and I can look them up.
 

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Intrusion In Ladakh: Warning From China – Analysis

The 19-kilometres deep intrusion by an armed patrol of China's People's Liberation Army (PLA) into the strategically sensitive area around Daulet Beg Oldi in the Aksai Chin region, and detected on 16 April 2013, has been unprovoked.

It is necessary at the outset to dispel any notions that the ongoing over two week long stand-off between armed patrols of the PLA and the Indian Army in the barren, but strategically important, area around Daulet Beg Oldi (DBO) is an isolated or unplanned incident. Similar incidents of armed eyeball-to-eyeball confrontation have occurred with increased frequency, especially since 2008, along the entire length of our 4,057 kilometres border. On this occasion, Beijing seems to have a specific motive. Interestingly, the intrusion coincided with the release of China's latest Defence White Paper and PLA Navy Day.


The attributes of this stand-off, which has dragged on in the full glare of India's print and visual media for over twelve days, are different. Pertinent is that Beijing remains transparently unmoved by the adverse media publicity and damage it has caused to India-China relations. It has neither moved to resolve the situation despite three flag meetings at the level of local army commanders and communications from New Delhi requesting resolution. Beijing has thus made it abundantly clear that it will defuse the situation only at a time of its choosing. Beijing's stance confirms too that the stand-off is not a local incident provoked by the action of a local commander, but one initiated with the full knowledge of China's senior leadership.

The timing of this intrusion points to a specific motive. It comes just weeks before Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's visit to Japan and is a warning against India expressing support to Japan. The backdrop is the steadily escalating tension between China and Japan over the Senkaku (Diaoyu) Islands.

In the context of China's national interests, China's top echelon leaders strongly apprehend that the US is putting together an alliance comprising India, Japan, Vietnam, the Philippines and Australia to contain China's rise. Articles in China's official media, including signed articles by Minister-level Chinese Communist Party (CCP) cadres, have candidly stated this. China's latest Defence White Paper released on 16 April 2013, in a thinly veiled comment declared that "Some country has strengthened its Asia-Pacific military alliances, expanded its military presence in the region, and frequently makes the situation there tenser." The reference to the US is implicit.

Tension between China and Japan over the Senkaku (Diaoyu) Islands has risen since 2010. China has been adamant in asserting its maritime territorial claims over the Senkakus (Diaoyu). Two specific developments highlight the extent of this tension and Beijing's determination not to yield concessions. The Defence White Paper released on April 16, specifically named Japan as one among "some neighbouring countries" that are taking actions to exacerbate the situation. It accused Japan of "making trouble over the issue of the Diaoyu islands".

More significant is the statement of China's Ministry of Foreign Affairs spokesperson. Speaking at the regular Foreign Ministry briefing in Beijing on April 26, 2013, she repeatedly, and for the first time publicly, referred to the Diaoyu Islands as a matter of "core interest" for China. The statement raises the level of the dispute significantly and clarifies that Beijing does not consider the matter open for negotiation.

There have been warning indicators earlier that Beijing views the growing warmth in relations between India and US and between India and Japan with suspicion. In the days following the largest ever US-ROK joint military exercises in July 2010, a Hong Kong-based pro-Beijing newspaper observed: "the issue of China's territorial disputes with neighbouring countries will ignite the flames of war sooner or later. If a country must be chosen for sacrifice, India will be the first choice"¦India's long term occupation of southern Tibet is indeed worrying"¦If armed force is used to resolve border disputes, China must pick a country to target first, and it will definitely pick a big country, which means choosing between Japan and India"¦". Other references stated that China's relationship with India and Japan had limits imposed by history. With this Beijing dragged India into the South China Sea dispute.

China's latest action needs to be viewed in the backdrop of the People's Republic of China's readiness to employ military force on issues of national interest relating to its security, sovereignty and territorial integrity. Beijing is adept at using a blend of threats and promise of military retaliation to deter an adversary from taking actions contrary to Beijing's interests. India needs to calibrate and time its response. For a start it could withhold reiteration during Chinese Premier Li Keqiang's upcoming visit of the formulation that the Tibet Autonomous Region is a part of China.

Intrusion In Ladakh: Warning From China - Analysis Eurasia Review
 

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Singh, a temporary move to lower tensions during negotiations is not the same as a permanent move to abdicate.
We must learn from our mistakes. The Chinese cannot be given an inch, because they'll take a mile.
We must mobilize troops to signal China, rather than abdicate.

This is temporary move can potentially threaten the very genesis of the State. What is there to negotiate go back to your side of LAC.

The Chinese have played a very smart game, they are not shifting attention away from CoK aka Aksai Chin and onto LAC.
 

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Fate of Indian protest is going to be same like it was after 26/11 attack. I am running out of my patience before I throw more spit against Prime minister and COAS.
 

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Appreciated.

So we actually hold more than what I have been seeing in Google International. That makes me feel better now.
That's not Google International but Google USA. Anyways the whole thread seems pointless now
 

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Enjoy some popcorns with pop while Mr. Khursheed goes to han-land and
begs them to vacate DBO positions in exchange for diluting our already
diluted infrastructure in NE.:laugh:
 

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That's not Google International but Google USA. Anyways the whole thread seems pointless now
So I guess Google China would show PRC's claim line, Google India would show Indian claim line, and the rest of the world, including Google USA would show both the claim lines. What I see is that both the claim lines are dotted.
 

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Enjoy some popcorns with pop while Mr. Khursheed goes to han-land and
begs them to vacate DBO positions in exchange for diluting our already
diluted infrastructure in NE.:laugh:
He will most likely not be hosted by Chinese, in protest against Indian aggression. TrueStory.
 

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What will the fallout of this decision (to move back Army)

Pakistan : Lets send more jihadis and terrorists, India won't do shyt.
China : Lets step up the ante in AP, and that way we can gain more territory in Ladakh whilst seemingly compromising on AP.
Lanka, Bdesh, Nepal: India is weak, lets get in bed with China.
ASEAN: Lets not aggravate the Chinese, and not develop closer relations with India lest they anger China.
Japan: India cannot be trusted, lets try to develop ASEAN as an economic alternative to China.
US: We can't give India any responsibility, we have to manage Indian Ocean on our own.
 

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And budgets of Armed Forces and DRDO will be hiked up. Some more scams will surface.
 
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