santosh10
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Over 50% countries of world share Bordering states with Each Others
hmmmm, almost half of the countries of world have the bordering regions shared with each others, not just POK to Pakistan and Indian Kashmir to India. and the best example we have about Baluchistan shared with Iran and Pakistan both, which wasn't part of British India till 1947 itself. and you can't just start freeing the bordering states, like Western Punjab to Pakistan and East Punjab to India as a Punjab country as whole. West Bengal to India and East Bengal (Bangladesh) a separate countries, as partition of India occurred on religious ground in 1947, even if India remained a non-religious country while Pakistan took birth as a Islamic State....
we have example of the bordering states shared between Russia and China for what they have fought wars during 50s and 60s of 20th century itself. we have half of the ASEAN region countries claiming on the areas of each others on borders, while Japan-China keep fighting for the oil fields/islands in between them, just because they share "water border", the usual news we get
and in fact, freedom of Baluchistan, which is part of Iran and Pakistan both, has been a touching issue for India since the time of "Nawab Akbar Bugti", who was murdered by "air strike" at the age of 80+ during the time of Mr Musharraf, because of his freedom struggle. i always remember Nawab Akbar Bugti as a leader of Baluchistan, and asking help from India while saying "my dear Indian Brothers and Sisters", a unique way of talking he had......
[//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akbar_Bugti]Akbar Bugti - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]
and hence we have every reason to accept the India's border as how it was since 1951, the year when most of the states of Indian continent had joined to India under British's "India Independence Act 1947", most of borders of this region had been recognized till then, with accepting POK as part of Pakistan, similar to West Punjab to Pakistan and East Bengal as Bangladesh, as we have. my own personal view :thumb:
[//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baloch_nationalism]Baloch nationalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]
Few Basic Questions for Pakistani Nationals
as per my last few posts#127, #128, (and also #121, #122) , i would welcome your answer on few questions as below, with some rationale approach. thanks
1st: how Pakistan talk about Kashmir issue, which is well part of India as per the British laws of "India Independence Act 1947", while it was never honest with non-Punjabi Muslims within? how do you claim to have sympathy of Muslims of any part of world, if East Pakistani Muslims were punished for being Bengal Muslims in Pakistan, which led to Independence of Bangladesh by 1971, finally? which was similar to how Junahghar and Hydarbad voted by over 90%+ to merge in Republic of India, just after the Independence in 1947?
2nd: how do you think to have sympathy for any part of Muslims, whether Muslims of Turkey, Indonesia, Nigeria or India, if India's Migrant Muhajir Muslims and their leaders talks like this when they visit here, as below. even after 60years+ of staying in Pakistan, this is how India's Migrants Muslims talk in India, the mother land
3rd; how democratic structure of India, having a "no-religious foundation", does any wrong with its minorities, which has been ruled by minorities quite frequently too? minorities PMs, Presidents, Generals, Chief Justice, Bollywood Super Star etc is know to whole world. and how does exactly Pakistan 'qualify' to speak in behalf of minorities of India, whether Muslims of Kashmir or of any other part of India? for example, if you talk about the Kurd Muslims of Turkey, they would simply kick your ash, isn't it? how have you become representative of Muslims of any part of world??????
4th; and if you want to discuss the circumstances of 1947, then why Pakistan hesitate to discuss about Baluchistan and "Republic of Jinnahpur". as Baluchistan wasn't Part of British India that you had occupied over it just after partition from India in 1947, while you got an Independent Islamic State of Pakistan after promising British rulers that you will be honest with the Muslims of any language, whether urdu speaking India's Migrant Muhajir or Bangla speaking East Pakistani Muslims, which is Bangladesh? hence if India's migrant Muslims demand a separate 'Republic of Jinnahpur', the they do have a point in front of today's British rulers too....... hence, why you want to create problems for India if you could never be able to solve your problems within?
5th; i personally favor to even forget the area, China had occupied from India by 1962, then why don't Pakistani Rulers also think to build the Pakistan they have within, for the people, including Baluchistan as its well part of Pakistan at present. we talk about Baluchistan as you want to discuss the circumstances of 1947, but we are generally not interested to discuss. then why don't you try to build your nation, as compare to create problem for neighboring nations. just accept POK as part of Pakistan similar to how West Punjab is part of Pakistan while East Punjab is in India, my own view. as more than 50% countries of world share the bordering regions with each others, including how Baluchistan is part of Iran and Pakistan both .......
(as support for Taliban in Afghanistan by Pakistani Military was never a secret, Osama Bin Laden was found well near Pakistani Military camp enjoying a luxury life. and even China facing import of terrorism to its Muslim populated Xinjiang state from the Pakistan based militants?)
6th; lastly, we do favor visiting visa for the Pakistani tourists, if they want to visit Kashmir for a tour, similarly how you visit Dubai etc. then why you won't try to think to solve the problems of this region, this part of world, as compare to make it bigger, for India, China, Iran and Afghanistan all of those around you?
along with many aspects of this discussion, a simple and the main reason behind this unresolved issue is as below. the unresolved issue with a rogue neighbor :ranger:
42 terror camps in Pakistan, 270 terrorists entered India in 3 years: Government
New Delhi: Forty-two terror training camps are operating in Pakistan and Pakistan-occupied-Kashmir and nearly 270 terrorists have entered into Jammu and Kashmir from across the border through LoC in the last three years, government said on Tuesday.
Minister of State for Home RPN Singh said there were 1000 attempts of infiltration by terrorists from Pakistan and (PoK) through the LoC between 2010-12.
Singh informed Lok Sabha that 160 terrorists were killed by security forces while trying to infiltrate while 570 others went back to the other side of the border due to strict vigil by security forces.
However, he said, 95 terrorists could infiltrate into Jammu and Kashmir in 2010, 52 could infiltrate in 2011 and 121 could infiltrate in 2012.
The minister said Jammu and Kashmir has been facing Pakistan-sponsored terrorism, spearheaded by Pakistani intelligence agency ISI for more than 20 years.
Singh said terrorists have been undergoing arms and explosives training and indoctrination in fundamentalist ideology across the border after which they are pushed across the border into Indian side to indulge in acts of terrorism.
"They are provided all kinds of assistance including money and material from across the border. Currently, there are reports of 42 training camps located in Pakistan and PoK," he said.
//zeenews.india.com/news/nation/42-terror-camps-in-pak-pok-270-terrorists-enter-india-in-3-years_867223.html
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