Who is the most Evil individual from the 20th century ?

[trackwhack]

Sulking? Please give me an example
Pained? Please give me an example
Defensive? Please give me an example
Deceitful? Please give me an example
Clinging on? Please give me an example
Reality failing? Please give me an example

Should I come up with some synonymous attributes about Indians? On Indians based on the replies on here?

Nice throw away comments Trackwhack, that are not supported by anything. Nice to know democracy and debate is alive on here

Don't let your failure in proving a point keep gnawing away at you old chap. It can only lead to frustration and anger ......

Examples are what I asked when you accused me of things that werent substantiated either. I rest my case.

Oracle, sorry if that offended you, I speak for myself. I dont represent India.

 

[Scalieback]

Examples are what I asked when you accused me of things that werent substantiated either. I rest my case.

I thought you said 'good day?'

Anyway, your examples have not been proven in the slightest, not in any of my responses to you or to anyone else. In fact, I think you'll find most of my responses acknowledge where Britain is and even have some humour, unlike your dour offerings.

Read what you wrote and read my responses. If you don't realise that you mentioned Arrse more than once before I challenged you about 'keep going on about it' then frankly you are either delusional or just a troll. I'm currently inclined to both, but you could prove me wrong, on this occasion.

Have a look at your replies and my final point about wittering on about it. There's about four points when you are mentioning Arrse before I pulled you up about it. Are you man enough to admit you were wrong?

 

[Scalieback]

My Lords, Ladies and Gentlemen. For the prosecution I present exhibit A of Trackwhack and my conversation.

His point being that he mentioned Arrse only once before I called him on it;

116. You. Can someone who is a member of ARRSE please take a screenshot of the poll results and post a new thread on ARRSE. Lets get them something to think about and maybe a few will join DFI. That way we have more brits to whack-a-mole with.

134. Me. Why would the members of Arrse be interested in the opinions on here?

There's nothing stopping you joining Arrse and posting the reults of your poll, all 49 voters that is ...........

137. You. Its collective opinion and has a certain intangible value. I would be surprised if at least a few Brits aren't offended that their Hero of the Century is held pretty much with the same veneration as Hitler.

I wouldn't join a forum that's, at least when enunciated right, is synonymous with people's rectums, and most members seem to have shoved their heads up precisely that chasm anyway.

138 Me. So scared it is then? Thought so ........

141. You. 2) Yes I am scared.

144. Me. Why not have the courage of your convictions? If you think the Brits would be interested, post it. However, I guarantee you'll not like the majority of answers.

147. You. I seek no gratification from anyone, let alone an insignificant bunch of whiners. So no. I do however like to see them reminded of their place and hence the suggestion to the few here who are on arrse to post the poll. Its always nice to wake the circus.

148. Me. They're so insignificant, and yet you keep posting about them. Hmm... Reminded of their place? Where would that be then? Go on, post it

I rest my case

 

[trackwhack]

My Lords, Ladies and Gentlemen. For the prosecution I present exhibit A of Trackwhack and my conversation.

His point being that he mentioned Arrse only once before I called him on it;


I rest my case

I dont keep posting about them. Never have. You are insignificant and thats why I am not even on that forum. Your accusation of keep on posting about them does not hold any water at all. Stop playing stupid. May work with high school dropouts in the UK. Not here.

 

[Mad Indian]

So one More vote for that Pig, Scum, -------, And "expletives too wrong to be used even for me", Winston Churchill- .

My blood boils more, the more I read about the History, the useless Indian History Books never thought of mentioning.

I think we should revise our own History Books, to show us the facts before Thinking of revising other's.

I distinctly remember reading a Chapter on Winston's Speech as a war hero to a British school, in my Tenth Standard, in English. It goes on to show how Winston and Britain saved the world from Evil Nazis. If the Spineless pig who created that syllabus had any amount of shame and Self Respect, I think he would not have included that in that Syllabus.

Indian History Books----->

 

[Razor]

^^ Yeah. Me voted for Winston C**thill too. He deserves to be called 'evil'.
Welcome back Mad. Congis get ready for @ss-whopping, Maddie's back in town.

PS: You kinda have a C**thill quote on your signature.

 

[Mad Indian]

^^ Yeah. Me voted for Winston C**thill too. He deserves to be called 'evil'.
Welcome back Mad. Congis get ready for @ss-whopping, Maddie's back in town.

Not for long mate. I will not be coming back for some time. Too much reading to do

PS: You kinda have a C**thill quote on your signature.

And If I quote that bastard's quote, then think how much i rever Democracy?

 

[The Messiah]

where's your leash ?

we have a loose one here

 

[Oracle]

I voted for Churchill, coz' of the deaths of many Indians. Now, Scalie could say, there was no India as a Nation then. Well, I agree, but I was born in the 70s, the time of The Cure, Eric Clapton, David Bowie, and who can forget the classic 'The Who -Live at Leeds'. While my POV is based upon my Countrymen, Scalie has his right too.

Yes, Brits did loot us, so did the French, Portuguese etc. However, we should also give Brits the merit they deserve. Railways, roads, which even today reminds me of a 4th world Nation, and citizens of which praise it thinking it to be the next promised land. In my native place, Indian Railways still run on Brit made rail tracks, and they are as old as 1900. So, should I join in the crowd. Nah! I'd take this oppurtunity to thank them for teaching us civility.

During the 2005 Mumbai floods, I had a terrible time. After that, the company which constructed sewers in Bombay during the British rule approached Maharashtra CM to fix those, they were not allowed. Floods continue to this day, every year.

I have many other examples. But, i'll treasure them for some othertime. If British rule was so bad, then there are examples where they defined things, such as the feeling of Nationalism. This feeling of Nationalism does not go to Gandhi or Nehru, or even Netaji, for we felt and became united coz' of em' Brits.

Without the Brits, evil or not, we'd still be fighting amongst ourselves everyday, for we're but a divided mindset and polarized people. This example, I'm sad, can to this day be found in this very forum.

 

[trackwhack]

I voted for Churchill, coz' of the deaths of many Indians. Now, Scalie could say, there was no India as a Nation then. Well, I agree, but I was born in the 70s, the time of The Cure, Eric Clapton, David Bowie, and who can forget the classic 'The Who -Live at Leeds'. While my POV is based upon my Countrymen, Scalie has his right too.

Yes, Brits did loot us, so did the French, Portuguese etc. However, we should also give Brits the merit they deserve. Railways, roads, which even today reminds me of a 4th world Nation, and citizens of which praise it thinking it to be the next promised land. In my native place, Indian Railways still run on Brit made rail tracks, and they are as old as 1900. So, should I join in the crowd. Nah! I'd take this oppurtunity to thank them for teaching us civility.

During the 2005 Mumbai floods, I had a terrible time. After that, the company which constructed sewers in Bombay during the British rule approached Maharashtra CM to fix those, they were not allowed. Floods continue to this day, every year.

I have many other examples. But, i'll treasure them for some othertime. If British rule was so bad, then there are examples where they defined things, such as the feeling of Nationalism. This feeling of Nationalism does not go to Gandhi or Nehru, or even Netaji, for we felt and became united coz' of em' Brits.

STOP RIGHT THERE

I don't know whether india would have been one nation or many nation states like europe, if they never came here. I could not care less anyway. but when you start of with the whole railways and roads thing, its the equivalent of pissing on our past.

before the brits got here, even when we were ruled by feudal kings and mughals, for hundreds of years we were economically self sufficient and a lot of periods, we were rich.

The 200 years of the british left us the poorest place on the planet. So, please lets not glorify the railways and ports they built to transport our wealth to europe.

 

[Oracle]

STOP RIGHT THERE

I don't know whether india would have been one nation or many nation states like europe, if they never came here. I could not care less anyway. but when you start of with the whole railways and roads thing, its the equivalent of pissing on our past.

before the brits got here, even when we were ruled by feudal kings and mughals, for hundreds of years we were economically self sufficient and a lot of periods, we were rich.

The 200 years of the british left us the poorest place on the planet. So, please lets not glorify the railways and ports they built to transport our wealth to europe.

I understand your point, I've also said Brits looted us.

My POV is different than yours. So don't ever say to me to stop right there. If you want to argue it in a civil way, feel free, else buy a slate and jot down your opinions there. Be civil while discussing, or don't debate at all.

 

[trackwhack]

I understand your point, I've also said Brits looted us.

My POV is different than yours. So don't ever say to me to stop right there. If you want to argue it in a civil way, feel free, else buy a slate and jot down your opinions there. Be civil while discussing, or don't debate at all.

what part of the post did you find uncivil?

 

[Oracle]

what part of the post did you find uncivil?

What was the part in bold that said 'STOP RIGHT THERE'?

You own this forum? You own my views? You own all the name calling you do here?

 

[The Messiah]

STOP RIGHT THERE

I don't know whether india would have been one nation or many nation states like europe, if they never came here. I could not care less anyway. but when you start of with the whole railways and roads thing, its the equivalent of pissing on our past.

before the brits got here, even when we were ruled by feudal kings and mughals, for hundreds of years we were economically self sufficient and a lot of periods, we were rich.

The 200 years of the british left us the poorest place on the planet. So, please lets not glorify the railways and ports they built to transport our wealth to europe.

Agreed.

Trains and port would have been built by the local kings although a bit later but we'd be way richer off.

Remember the british didn't merely loot us! they dismantled our industries so that we couldn't even earn. If they had only looted us then we would have recovered much earlier but we were left where we had no industries and 90% of the population was illetrate. Thus there impact lasts till today.

 

[trackwhack]

Stop right there is an interjection. If that offends you, I should not be debating with you.

 

[Oracle]

Stop right there is an interjection. If that offends you, I should not be debating with you.

Don't use superlatives when you're quoting me. I'm not illiterate.

To debate with me or not is a choice left to you. You'd figure a way out, eventually.

 

[trackwhack]

Don't use superlatives when you're quoting me. I'm not illiterate.

To debate with me or not or is a choice left to you. You'd figure a way out, eventually.

Again, when did I use superlatives when quoting you? I countered your arguments and you dismissed them as points of view. I debate based on data. Would you like to see the economic situation of this place that we call India over the last 2000 years as estimated by experts? I am sure you already know that.

You should learn to debate. If you are gonna take offence at the drop of a hat then dont debate. If you want to debate counter the points I made and dont conclude the discussion by saying my POV and your POV. POV is not fact!!

 

[Sakal Gharelu Ustad]

Agreed.

Trains and port would have been built by the local kings although a bit later but we'd be way richer off.

Remember the british didn't merely loot us! they dismantled our industries so that we couldn't even earn. If they had only looted us then we would have recovered much earlier but we were left where we had no industries and 90% of the population was illetrate. Thus there impact lasts till today.

I doubt how much trains and ports would have been built by our local kings. We were a declining civilization and British just happened to be here at the opportune time. If it was not for British, we probably would have been some Rajputana, Bengal, Marathwada etc. now. As far as illiteracy is concerned our caste system had made it impossible for common people to learn anything. So, no point in blaming for illiteracy on the British. As far as industries are concerned we were a handicraft nation, would have lost to world competition in any case. The British did not put the infrastructure in place to help us but it definitely has helped us in one way or the other. Another case where the invisible hand of Adam Smith seems to be at work.

And 60 years is good enough period to turn around a nation, we have not yet prospered thanks to our socialist ideals and dreams. I doubt if their impact lingers around till today(except the English language of-course!).

 

[trackwhack]

I doubt how much trains and ports would have been built by our local kings. We were a declining civilization and British just happened to be here at the opportune time. If it was not for British, we probably would have been some Rajputana, Bengal, Marathwada etc. now. As far as illiteracy is concerned our caste system had made it impossible for common people to learn anything. So, no point in blaming for illiteracy on the British. As far as industries are concerned we were a handicraft nation, would have lost to world competition in any case. The British did not put the infrastructure in place to help us but it definitely has helped us in one way or the other. Another case where the invisible hand of Adam Smith seems to be at work.

And 60 years is good enough period to turn around a nation, we have not yet prospered thanks to our socialist ideals and dreams. I doubt if their impact lingers around till today(except the English language of-course!).

Why would it be worse? Have you seen the map of Europe? Do you know how well nation states thrive?

How many schools exactly did the British setup to drive literacy? They we governing the country right?

I think you must not try to build a hypothesis that assumes that things would have been worse as you have no way of determining that. However if we went by statistical evidence, for 2000 years upto the Briitish coming to India, we contributed nothing less than 25% of the worlds output. At the end of 200 years of British rule, that number went down to less than 1%. Go figure.

 

[LalTopi]

You may like these:

India is a geographical term. It is no more a united nation than the equator.

A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.

Once in a while you will stumble upon the truth but most of us manage to pick ourselves up and hurry along as if nothing had happened.

Then again, you may not ....

Touche.
Well done. Well deflected.

In fact since coming back and reading your posts I notice that you are quite adept at evading the real issue - making witty remarks, glib observations, allusions of racism. Also you seem to be relishing in your victory - although not sure whether you have noticed, but since you joined the thread the votes for Churchill (as the most evil) have actually gone up by quite a margin. But maybe that is what you really wanted to achieve - just to wind up the natives and go back and gloat to your chums. However, you will no doubt have noticed that it is not just in Indian fora that people are questioning the the spoon fed colonial version of history, but in Britain as well. Indeed with the likes of Scharma and Paxman the revisionist agenda is leading the way. So the ultimate joke will be on you and your mates.

From my perspective, I did vote for Churchill as the most evil - but mainly as he was the one who got away with his deeds and is still revered by the likes of yourself. I read Madhushree Mukherjee's work and was quite shocked. Also, as her work was based on original official British documents (supplemented with interviews with Bengalis who lived through the famine), her work seems highly credible. Having said that, I am willing to change my mind if the facts have been misrepresented and Churchill is indeed innocent.

So what say you? can you leave aside the wit and glib retorts and provide us with an alternative view based on facts?