Thousands flee violence in India's Assam

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It would be interesting to see how things pan out if illegal BDs and illegal Gurkhas start rioting. If that happens, mark my words, sympathy will flow for the Gurkhas because they are Hindus.
There is nothing called "illegal Nepali" or "illegal Gurkha" in India. It's an oxymoron.

Indo-Nepal Peace and Friendship treaty of 1950 makes sure of that.

But sure there is something called "illegal Bangladeshi".
 

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Digvijaya Singh: There is a conflict of land in the area and the govt has tried to sort it out the issue.
Digvijaya Singh: The ethnic clases in AGP regime is much more compared to the ethnic peace during the Congress regime.
Digvijaya Singh: The issue is that the growth of Muslim from 1991 to 2001 is consistent with the other parts of the country.
Digvijaya Singh: We have tried to identify the illegal migrants in the area. Special court at district level has been formed to take up such cases.
Digvijay Singh: There has been a history of violence in the area.
Digvijay Singh: Tarun Gogoi and the whole administration tried to control the situation immediately.
Digvijaya Singh: In Gujarat, the administration was helping the rioters, it is not the case here in Assam.
Digvijaya Singh: Case of what happened in Gujarat is different from that in Assam.
Digvijaya Singh: It is important that the focus of the administration is on maintaining law and order.


Source - cnn-ibn
He again become official spokesperson of congress ?
 

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Of the 27 camps in Kokrajhar, 21 are being used by Bodos and five by Muslims. The remaining one is occupied by others. Of the 33,517 people residing in these camps, 26,117 are Bodos, 5,700 Muslim and 1,700 others. This just gives the magnitude of the scale of human suffering.

Bodos have been hardest hit by the riots
21/5 . . . That's a very strangely skewed ratio . . .
quite evidently Bodo's seem to be on the receiving end of violence . .
 

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Digvijaya Singh: There is a conflict of land in the area and the govt has tried to sort it out the issue.
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Digvijaya Singh: The issue is that the growth of Muslim from 1991 to 2001 is consistent with the other parts of the country.

Digvijaya Singh: It is important that the focus of the administration is on maintaining law and order.


Source - cnn-ibn
The congress will realize soon .. . . how they have fooled themselves by considering the people complete fools
 

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Beside Bangladesi Muslims, Some Bengali Hindus also need to be thrown out of the country. They are real headache.
Do you really think that you can throw me out of the country?

If you feel so, please think again.

First of all, you cannot do it physically.

Next, I have served the country in trouble times more than what you could have done.

And the best part is my religious affiliation is not worn on my sleeve, because technically I am not what anyone feels I am in the religion form of way.

I find you comment most insulting.

Prove yourself first and then speak so loosely!

And remember, we live in a democracy and so all views are to be accepted and rejected, if one wants, at the ballot box.

Nationalism is not religion oriented.

There are many Muslims who have died for the nation, fighting Muslims of Pakistan.

Why dishonor them with such comments?

You disappoint me!

Wear your love of the Nation on your sleeve and not religious intolerance if it does not warrant it so.
 
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Do you really think that you can throw me out of the country?

If you feel so, please think again.

First of all, you cannot do it physically.

Next, I have served the country in trouble times more than what you could have done.

And the best part is my religious affiliation is not worn on my sleeve, because technically I am not what anyone feels I am in the religion form of way.

I find you comment most insulting.

Prove yourself first and then speak so loosely!
Sir, How can even you think of that ? I used "Some" for those who are Bangladesi sympathiser and helped Bangladeshi infiltration for decades. I don't think they have any problem with demographic change. They never had any problem. Today, Eastern states paying the price. Tomorrow, country will pay the price for incorrigible blunder.
 
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Of the 27 camps in Kokrajhar, 21 are being used by Bodos and 5 by Muslims. The remaining one is occupied by others. Of the 33,517 people residing in these camps, 26,117 are Bodos, 5,700 Muslim and 1,700 others. This just gives the magnitude of the scale of human suffering.

Bodos have been hardest hit by the riots
Mainly Bodos are victims of Riots, now it's clear that who is rioting there !

Only IBN 7 is reporting the matter, and is labelling the riots as between "Bodos and Non-Bodos" wilfully avoiding the term "Muslims" here. By terming it as Bodos and non-Bodos problem, people from the rest of the India doesn't get attracted towards it, and so Congress continues to enjoy its treachery !!
 

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Sir, How can even you think of that ? I used "Some" for those who are Bangladesi sympathiser and helped Bangladeshi infiltration for decades. I don't think they have any problem with demographic change. They never had any problem. Today, Eastern states paying the price. Tomorrow, country will pay the price for incorrigible blunder.
I do not deny that.

Please see my posts.

I am against fool Islamic leaders (who to be relevant talk like total donkeys and alienate the Muslim from the mainstream).

But does not mean all Muslims are anti national?

Think that over.

In fact, Yusuf is so pro India, that I think he is blind.

And he is a Muslim!

So, treat people as individuals and not stereotypes.

That is my request.

You many not have any problems with demographic change, but I have.

It is what is causing all the issues!
 

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I do not deny that.

Please see my posts.

I am against fool Islamic leaders (who to be relevant talk like total donkeys and alienate the Muslim from the mainstream).

But does not mean all Muslims are anti national?

Think that over.

In fact, Yusuf is so pro India, that I think he is blind.

And he is a Muslim!

So, treat people as individuals and not stereotypes.

That is my request.
Sir, I am your fan and i admire your post.

Why you are even thinking about yourself ?

All Bengalis are not same. I never said "All"

You said "
I do not deny that.
Obviously, I said "SOME". Some bad element doesn't make bad society!
 

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There is nothing like Some, unless you identify what is Some.

I can take it you mean me in the Some.

If I say Some are radical Hindus and stupid in their approach, that many may think it means that they are also in Some.

Would that be fair?

You cannot condemn all with such vague terms as Some.

Request desist.
 

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Ok. I apologise. My mistake!

Few members might have negative approach towards Bengalis but trust me, I can never ever think of that. I am inspired by few Bengalis who have totally different view than some communist. I have same problem with some Delhitee who believe in "Aman ki asha". One should not generalise. I will try not to use "Some" but point specific one as far as possible. :)
 

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Time to take a break for using "some". But hey, I will be back soon after few days ..... :thumb:
 

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There is nothing like Some, unless you identify what is Some.

I can take it you mean me in the Some.

If I say Some are radical Hindus and stupid in their approach, that many may think it means that they are also in Some. . .

To be honest . . . .when i read Galaxy's post i thought he was throwing a jibe at pmaitra . . .
then i remembered He lives in US
 

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IMO Galaxy was talking about those Bengalis who act to be Politically Correct and keep their eyes close to any Centrist cause, and I am sure he was not referring to any member here ! and definitely not Ray sir!:)
 

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IMO Galaxy was talking about those Bengalis who act to be Politically Correct and keep their eyes close to any Centrist cause, and I am sure he was not referring to any member here ! and definitely not Ray sir!:)
I second that. No were in his post did it appear that he meant that.
 

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The ‘invisible’ Assam riots: When cameras looked away | Firstpost


One of the more abstruse philosophical musings begins with a simple question: If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?

At its core, the philosphical exploration is centred around the "knowledge of reality", but the question has been invoked in a pure science domain as well. As far back as in 1884, the science magazine Scientific American observed: "Sound is vibration, transmitted to our senses through the mechanism of the ear, and recognised as sound only at our nerve centres. The falling of the tree or any other disturbance will produce vibration of the air. If there be no ears to hear, there will be no sound."

But far away from the scientific and the philosophical domains, a similar question may be asked in the context of the ongoing Assam riots: If riots are raging in Assam, and television cameras don't cover them for days, does it mean there were no riots at all?

There's always someone watching. AP

All over the various social media platforms, the mainstream media – and particularly some of its star TV anchors – are being hectored and vilified for what they perceive as inadequate coverage of the Assam riots.

The contrast with 2002, when the same electronic media, then in its infancy and with far fewer technological resources than they can marshal today, had provided saturation coverage of the Gujarat riots, came in for much pointed criticism from right-wing commentators.

The point, which they belaboured to a nicety, was that the electronic media was looking away from the Assam riots because it was unfolding in a Congress-ruled state, and was showing the government up in a bad light. And given the widespread perception that much of the electronic media are politically soft on the Congress, the media stood accused of orchestrating a veritable news blackout of the Assam riots – in contrast to the time when they had indulged in orgiastic coverage of the Gujarat riots.

The few feeble attempts by star anchors to engage with their critics on social media platforms like Twitter only inflamed the anger of the latter even further.

The suggestion that the number of deaths in the two riots – Gujarat 2002 and Assam 2012 – established a hierarchy of news interest received extraordinary pushback, and was subsequently retracted. (Only 40 people have been killed so far in the Assam riots, whereas the toll in Gujarat was in excess of 1,000.)

The reasoning that logistical challenges to getting live cameras in place across the trouble spots in the northeastern State too was met with cynicism. In the perception of the media critics, the fact that in this day and age of advanced technology and 4G connectivity, television cameras couldn't get to the scene of the crime quickly enough and beam live images was merely an extension of their political bias.

Getting live cameras in place in trouble spot isn't just about getting perverse gratification from "riot porn". By documenting riots as they unfold, electronic media can do an admirable job of documenting crimes in real time, which can help speed up the response from otherwise flat-footed officials. There is something about the live TV camera output in conflict situations that commands instant response in the way that even the most graphic depictions in the print media cannot hope to match.

But 2012 is not 2002: for a start, we have vibrant social media platforms, where anyone with a cellphone can become an eyewitness and a chronicler of heinous crimes. In Assam, the vacuum in the coverage of the riots by the mainstream media was somewhat compensated by social media users, who put out their accounts of disturbances as they unfolded, in some cases with images captured on their cellphone cameras.

But equally important, the social media networks were put to effective use to convey information on safety shelters and their material needs. Information on helpline numbers to access were also put out with admirable alacrity. It's the kind of situation that typically brings out the best in the electronic media, but this time around they were left flat-footed by the speed of response of the social media activists.

Of course, there was one downside to this: unverified information, and on occasion even malicious rumours, began to circulate unfiltered. For instance, on Wednesday, Twitter was abuzz with reports that the Pakistani flag had been put up in parts of the troubled regions; since they came complete with the screenshot of a news channel's television screen, the reports appeared to carry an element of authenticity. Given that illegal Bangladeshi immigration has in the past proved to be an instrument of Pakistani ISI efforts to push jihadists into India, they also seemed plausible.

The only problem was that the screenshot of the TV screen was from a television report in 2008; it didn't happen now. But the omission of this detail by those who were disseminating the image on Twitter only served to inflame passions in a volatile situation even further. That's the kind of vetting of information that would happen in a mainstream news media platform.

It is in contexts like these that the mainstream electronic media, with all their faults, can serve a useful purpose in putting out credible information in real-time. But in the Assam situation, the slowness of their response – for whatever reason – created an information vacuum that the social media networks, with all their faults, filled to capacity.

It just goes to show that if riots unfold, even in a remote part of India, and the television cameras look away, there are other agents at work that bring out the news in this day and age. Not always flawlessly, and sometimes with their own agenda, but they play a quasi-documentary role.

In other words, if a giant tree falls in the forest, and the mainstream media isn't around to hear it, it still makes a thunderous roar in the age of social media.
 

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In Assam there is three types of Muslim. First one is called the old assamese muslims. As I have mentioned, they were decendents of Mugal Army. They were settaled in Hojai, Jorhat etc places. Their language, behaviour and even dress is very much similar to Assamese Hindus except the religion. Believe me in Assam, you will find Muslim with surname "HAZARIKA" though they have an islamic name.They are well educated and prosperous. Second type is call new Assamese Muslims came to Assam before 1947 or even after Indepedence, Their language is Assamese but maintains their dress and other custume, The third type is the Bangladeshi illegal migrants come around 1971 and after. They are very fundamentalists, uneducated and gives bitrh similar to pigs. Average 7-10 per women. During 80s and even 90s they have very less influence and Congress party used them as the Vote Bank. Their is a systematic way of importing them. First they were came by river ( inflitration to Brahmaputra Vellay) and used Dhuburi as base camp. Indian agents or the ruling party provided them ration card now Voter Identatiy card etc. Then they inflitrated to Barpeta, Kukurajhar, Sonitpur & Nagaon district as their forward base. Indian agent provide them temporary shealter etc. Then it is decides how many to send which place to make the vote bank intact. Also prepare the area where they can be settaled permanently. Mostly river islands, reserved forest and captured or liberated area from locals are selected. Money is provided to make their initial living arrangement. For living and eating, they started stealing cattales from locals. Once the huts started to come, few houses are built with bricks. Assam government is quick to provide electreicy to this migrants to prove their stay more solid. This is the plight of Assam. Now the Dhuburi is cleaned from Bodos. What I hear from assam is that the death toll is far more than the 41. Pepole still donot know where the villagers of some villages in Dhubri has gone. May be floating in Brahmaputra
 
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So, it was not really about the illegal immigration and was just a little flare up in a remote corner in India. The solution is just shove the danda and after some days everything will be fine... right?
Since you did not read my earlier post but quoted it, let me say it again. Bodos called a bandh, some Muslims defy it and what started as a fist fight turned into a communal violence. Muslims were attacked first, then they retaliated. Bodos have terrorists backing them up with Ak-47s, Muslims do not have that luxury. Of all people displaced, it is mostly Muslims, who are valid Indian citizens. I would not be surprised though, if in 1 village there are 1 or 2 illegal Bangladeshi settlers. The cause however is political.

To add to your post, illegal immigration is a sensitive topic in Assam, and I have never denied the presence of Bangladeshis in Assam. But this incident was a political one. If illegal immigration was the main issue, then Dimasas would also have attacked Muslims in Dima Hasao, Hindu Bengalis would have done the same in Barak Valley, Karbis would have followed suit in Karbi Anglong. There would have been similar attacks in Dibrugarh, Jorhat and Tinsukia which are the bastions of anti-Bangladeshi sentiment. There is huge resentment amongst the people due to continuous illegal immigration, but this particular incident is being given a twist of illegal immigration and the resentment and attacks being justified, so that ring leaders of the violence and the political class are unscathed.
 

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Do you really think that you can throw me out of the country?

If you feel so, please think again.

First of all, you cannot do it physically.

Next, I have served the country in trouble times more than what you could have done.

And the best part is my religious affiliation is not worn on my sleeve, because technically I am not what anyone feels I am in the religion form of way.

I find you comment most insulting.

Prove yourself first and then speak so loosely!

And remember, we live in a democracy and so all views are to be accepted and rejected, if one wants, at the ballot box.

Nationalism is not religion oriented.

There are many Muslims who have died for the nation, fighting Muslims of Pakistan.

Why dishonor them with such comments?

You disappoint me!

Wear your love of the Nation on your sleeve and not religious intolerance if it does not warrant it so.
That was directed at me actually. He disappoints all. I wonder what it would take for the staff to teach him a lesson or two, since he has been openly inciting religious hatred in almost all threads he participates. A communal riot sparked from a post in DFI? Maybe.
 

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Since you did not read my earlier post but quoted it, let me say it again. Bodos called a bandh, some Muslims defy it and what started as a fist fight turned into a communal violence. Muslims were attacked first, then they retaliated. Bodos have terrorists backing them up with Ak-47s, Muslims do not have that luxury. Of all people displaced, it is mostly Muslims, who are valid Indian citizens. I would not be surprised though, if in 1 village there are 1 or 2 illegal Bangladeshi settlers. The cause however is political.

To add to your post, illegal immigration is a sensitive topic in Assam, and I have never denied the presence of Bangladeshis in Assam. But this incident was a political one. If illegal immigration was the main issue, then Dimasas would also have attacked Muslims in Dima Hasao, Hindu Bengalis would have done the same in Barak Valley, Karbis would have followed suit in Karbi Anglong. There would have been similar attacks in Dibrugarh, Jorhat and Tinsukia which are the bastions of anti-Bangladeshi sentiment. There is huge resentment amongst the people due to continuous illegal immigration, but this particular incident is being given a twist of illegal immigration and the resentment and attacks being justified, so that ring leaders of the violence and the political class are unscathed.
Oracle,
Why you bring it Bodo vs Muslim???? Then you can also mentioned Chirstan vs Muslim as large part of Bodos are Chirstan. May I correct?? This is happening between locals vs Bangladeshi. The locals happen to be the Bodos and Bangladeshis are Muslims. This is very much simple. The people who says it Muslim vs Bodos just want to create a communal color and blame locals for all the mess. When you change complete demography of a state within 40 yeras, this will happen untill some drastic happen. The best way is to put pressure on Indian Govt and atleast repeal the IMDT act that will somewhat decrease the influx of this Bangladeshi nationals. There is also large number of Hajon refugee from Bangladesh and settaled in district like North Lakhimpur and Dhemaji. They are mostly Hindus and Chirstans. Some of them try to influx to Arunachal but AP Police push them back to Assam.
 
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