Tajikistan gives land to China

[houde10000]

Engaging in such fantasy thinking is unhealthy.

Why don't we have a referendum in Arunachal Pradesh to see if they want to be with India or China? I already know the result.

Out of curiosity, how about SIKKIM, if have a referendum today, choose join China or join India or be independent? what you think the result will be?

 

[civfanatic]

That's a very good suggestion, but a big question is when and who to hold this referendum?

It doesn't matter who holds the referendum. People in Arunachal Pradesh do not want to be part of China, and nothing can change that.

China also knows that, which is why they would never agree to a referendum (even if it is held by a neutral, third party nation).

China is not serious at all about its claim on Arunachal Pradesh. It just uses it as a diplomatic tool, to distract India from far more important issues (like who becomes dominant power in Indian Ocean)

Out of curiosity, how about SIKKIM, if have a referendum today, choose join China or join India or be independent? what you think the result will be?

Well, we have a Sikkimese member on this forum. Why don't you ask him.

 

[SHASH2K2]

Out of curiosity, how about SIKKIM, if have a referendum today, choose join China or join India or be independent? what you think the result will be?

we have a Sikkimese here and his Name is Tsering. very soon you will get your reply and reply will be such that even in your dream you will not be asking about Sikkim.

 

[pmaitra]

Let's try to be "objective".

During Czarist Russia era there was a border treaty btwn Russia Empire and Qing Dynasty by which 1/3 of today's Tajik was China's. But later Russia expanded eastward and annexed more. What happens now is a compromise - China gave up most of the claim based on Czar-Qing Treaty.

Both may say they suffer a "loss". But the upside of such a settlement ALL central Asian STANs and China can move ahead with no more "historical baggage" from now on.

One needs to see which or how many part(s) of China is/are adjacent to Tajikistan? The answer is none. Yes, East Turkestan is adjacent to Tajikistan, but the question is given an opportunity, East Turkestan would rather merge with Tajikistan than remain under forceful occupation of the PRC.

Treaties signed between the Qing Dynasty and the Russian Empire are not valid anymore. If that was true, then PRC should immediately cede Aksai Chin and Shaksgam Valley to India and accept Arunachal as part of the Indian Union, because these were legitimate territories of the British Indian Empire.

This is nothing but a vulgar display of 'might is right' by PRC. Add one more paranoid neighbour and a potential enemy of PRC to the already large list.

 

[houde10000]

let India and China wrestle, see which one will be dismembered in 30 years

One needs to see which or how many part(s) of China is/are adjacent to Tajikistan? The answer is none. Yes, East Turkestan is adjacent to Tajikistan, but the question is given an opportunity, East Turkestan would rather merge with Tajikistan than remain under forceful occupation of the PRC.

Treaties signed between the Qing Dynasty and the Russian Empire are not valid anymore. If that was true, then PRC should immediately cede Aksai Chin and Shaksgam Valley to India and accept Arunachal as part of the Indian Union, because these were legitimate territories of the British Indian Empire.

This is nothing but a vulgar display of 'might is right' by PRC. Add one more paranoid neighbour and a potential enemy of PRC to the already large list.

I am very interested into the result, after searching and talking for 2 weeks, I don't think we can convince each other anyway, so let's see the result, hope everyone can live 30 years.

 

[houde10000]

One needs to see which or how many part(s) of China is/are adjacent to Tajikistan? The answer is none. Yes, East Turkestan is adjacent to Tajikistan, but the question is given an opportunity, East Turkestan would rather merge with Tajikistan than remain under forceful occupation of the PRC.

Treaties signed between the Qing Dynasty and the Russian Empire are not valid anymore. If that was true, then PRC should immediately cede Aksai Chin and Shaksgam Valley to India and accept Arunachal as part of the Indian Union, because these were legitimate territories of the British Indian Empire.

This is nothing but a vulgar display of 'might is right' by PRC. Add one more paranoid neighbour and a potential enemy of PRC to the already large list.

If I was chinese leader reading you commentary, my natural reflection will be eliminating the threaten, the untamed giant India.

 

[amoy]

Yes, East Turkestan is adjacent to Tajikistan, but the question is given an opportunity, East Turkestan would rather merge with Tajikistan than remain under forceful occupation of the PRC.

East Turkestan ? where is it? Or did it ever exist in history? Or in your daydream?

I'm glad u are one of few Indians who're back on topic "Tajik".

 

[Ray]

East Turkmenistan or what China calls Xinjiang Autonomous Region.

By ethnicity they are closer to the people on their western border than Han Chinese.

Tajiks are an interesting people and so people here spend time on their state of affairs.

Just as you find India interesting as I find China interesting.

 

[houde10000]

East Turkestan ? where is it? Or did it ever exist in history? Or in your daydream?

I'm glad u are one of few Indians who're back on topic "Tajik".

Mr. ohimalaya,

East Turkestan, other funny topic!! Uyghur doesn't has kinship with Turk, they were just one Ancient Tribe living on today's Mongolian plateau, they were conqued by Turk around 8th century, Turk enslave them as dog, and that's the reason they speak Turkey language. Chinese Tang Dynasty Empire beat Turk and liberate those Uyghur, let them living in Chinese Han people's land, today's Xinjiang. Uyghur is guest of this land, Han people are the master, Han people know it, because Han people can write/read history, Uyghur people don't know it, because most of Uyghur are illiteracy, they only recite the Koran.

East Turkestan, a funny name, i just can not stand to laugh at it. Xinjiang is the biggest chinese province, there are 20 resident ethnic, Uyghur is just one of them, there is no race higher than others in China, Xinjiang belongs to all chinese including Uyghur, Han, Hui, Russian, ..... Any separatism in China is against chinese law, is illegal and crime.

 

[civfanatic]

East Turkestan, other funny topic!! Uyghur doesn't has kinship with Turk, they were just one Ancient Tribe living on today's Mongolian plateau, they were conqued by Turk around 8th century, Turk enslave them as dog, and that's the reason they speak Turkey language.

You are either completely ignorant of history or are thoroughly brainwashed by CCP propaganda (probably both). Uyghurs don't have kinship with Turks, Uyghurs ARE Turks. The homeland of all Turks is the Central Asian steppes, in the region that is now Kazakhstan and Xinjiang. During the Middle Ages these Turks migrated across Asia into the Middle East, eventually occupying the land that is called today as Turkey. Do some research on Gokturk khanates and Turkish migration, you obviously know nothing about Turkish history.

Chinese Tang Dynasty Empire beat Turk and liberate those Uyghur, let them living in Chinese Han people's land, today's Xinjiang. Uyghur is guest of this land, Han people are the master, Han people know it, because Han people can write/read history, Uyghur people don't know it, because most of Uyghur are illiteracy, they only recite the Koran.

Interesting comment, this is the first time I have seen a Han making blatantly racist comments towards Uyghurs. And then you wonder why Uyghurs hate China, lol.

East Turkestan, a funny name, i just can not stand to laugh at it. Xinjiang is the biggest chinese province, there are 20 resident ethnic, Uyghur is just one of them, there is no race higher than others in China, Xinjiang belongs to all chinese including Uyghur, Han, Hui, Russian, ..... Any separatism in China is against chinese law, is illegal and crime.

Saying Xinjiang is part of China is like saying Tibet is part of India.

Actually, Tibet is far more influenced by India than Turkestan is influenced by China. Tibetans follow an Indian religion (Buddhism) and their culture is based on dharma and other Indic elements. But Uyghur culture has nothing to do with Han culture. Their culture is similar to other Turkic cultures, like Kazakhs, Uzbeks, Kirghiz, Tajik, etc.

But Indians were never an expansionist-minded people, as history shows. We do not claim any lands that are not ours, only the territory that was allocated to us per the 1947 Partition. It is China who is claiming Indian territory in Arunachal Pradesh, not India who is claiming Tibet.

 

[houde10000]

You are either completely ignorant of history or are thoroughly brainwashed by CCP propaganda (probably both). Uyghurs don't have kinship with Turks, Uyghurs ARE Turks. The homeland of all Turks is the Central Asian steppes, in the region that is now Kazakhstan and Xinjiang. During the Middle Ages these Turks migrated across Asia into the Middle East, eventually occupying the land that is called today as Turkey. Do some research on Gokturk khanates and Turkish migration, you obviously know nothing about Turkish history.


Interesting comment, this is the first time I have seen a Han making blatantly racist comments towards Uyghurs. And then you wonder why Uyghurs hate China, lol.



Saying Xinjiang is part of China is like saying Tibet is part of India.

Actually, Tibet is far more influenced by India than Turkestan is influenced by China. Tibetans follow an Indian religion (Buddhism) and their culture is based on dharma and other Indic elements. But Uyghur culture has nothing to do with Han culture. Their culture is similar to other Turkic cultures, like Kazakhs, Uzbeks, Kirghiz, Tajik, etc.

But Indians were never an expansionist-minded people, as history shows. We do not claim any lands that are not ours, only the territory that was allocated to us per the 1947 Partition. It is China who is claiming Indian territory in Arunachal Pradesh, not India who is claiming Tibet.

LOL, did you ask Turkey when they knew how to write? They were barbarian in chinese history, this is nothing about racism, it is just like Aryan was barbarian in Roman history. Should I read rigorous history written by chinese historian in 8th century, or listen to barbarian's legend, of course, not read, they don't know how to write.

Xinjiang, the old chinese name is "Xiyu", means the west land, chinese empire had those land 100 years before Jeaus was born, before Turkey appear in history, before Uyghur tribe existed. In 8th century, after chinese Tang Dynasty Empirer beated Turk moving west and free Uyghur tribe, chinese kindly allow them settle in today's Xinjiang region, Uyghur is the guest of this land, Han is the master of this land. What do you mean RACIST? are you idiot?

"Most of Uyghur are illiteracy, they only recite Koran" did I lie here? what do you mean RACIST? Uyghur doesn't read any history, they just take grant to think they was born there, the land is theirs, the crazy Uyghur extremist want to kill all Han and Hui lived there for thousand years, who is RACIST? 200 PEOPLE were killed in Xinjiang on 2009, July 05, most of them are Han and Hui, who is the RACIST? kill people just because they don't speak Uyghur, look like Han or Hui? Is this RACIST?

Who tell you all Uyghur and Tibetan hate chinese? how many Uyghur and Tibetan you know? There are over 6 million tibetan and 12 million Uyghur living in China!!!

South Tibetan was not Indian land before 1947, if it is your land, your premier Nehru won't need "forward policy", you just need a "stay policy". Listen the land you took, soon or late, have to return back to China, if you don't want your mother land to be dismembered.

[Mod edit] One more such rant and you will be shipped out of here! No one know what will happen sooner or later. Small minds like yours don't matter!

 

[amoy]

Actually, Tibet is far more influenced by India than Turkestan is influenced by China. Tibetans follow an Indian religion (Buddhism) and their culture is based on dharma and other Indic elements. But Uyghur culture has nothing to do with Han culture. Their culture is similar to other Turkic cultures, like Kazakhs, Uzbeks, Kirghiz, Tajik, etc.

Again u try to distort it to your own taste?

Before Uigur migrated westward to today's Xinjiang and got Islamized Han Dynasty (3rd Century or so) and Huns and other like ancestors of Uzbeck were there

For one thing I agree with u - Uigur are Turkic and even saved Tang Dynasty (8th Century)

 

[KS]

One small clarification to those who think Uighurs and Tajik are related ;

NO THEY ARE NOT.

Uighurs are a Turkic lot while the Tajiks are Persian. Or in other words - Tajiks are not a Turkic clan/tribe.

 

[civfanatic]

LOL, did you ask Turkey when they knew how to write? They were barbarian in chinese history, this is nothing about racism, it is just like Aryan was barbarian in Roman history. Should I read rigorous history written by chinese historian in 8th century, or listen to barbarian's legend, of course, not read, they don't know how to write.

LOL, Aryans were barbarian in Roman history? Do you even know who Aryans were? Do you know how Romans were? Stop embarrasing yourself by making such comments.

Xinjiang, the old chinese name is "Xiyu", means the west land, chinese empire had those land 100 years before Jeaus was born, before Turkey appear in history, before Uyghur tribe existed. In 8th century, after chinese Tang Dynasty Empirer beated Turk moving west and free Uyghur tribe, chinese kindly allow them settle in today's Xinjiang region, Uyghur is the guest of this land, Han is the master of this land. What do you mean RACIST? are you idiot?

Han are not the indigenous people of the region. Simple as that.

Why are you racist? You are racist for believing that the Han are some kind of "master" race that have the right to seize land from people who were living there centuries before them. It is racism in its purest form, not much different from what Yanks did to Native Americans.

"Most of Uyghur are illiteracy, they only recite Koran" did I lie here? what do you mean RACIST? Uyghur doesn't read any history, they just take grant to think they was born there, the land is theirs, the crazy Uyghur extremist want to kill all Han and Hui lived there for thousand years, who is RACIST? 200 PEOPLE were killed in Xinjiang on 2009, July 05, most of them are Han and Hui, who is the RACIST? kill people just because they don't speak Uyghur, look like Han or Hui? Is this RACIST?

LOL, look at this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_administrative_divisions_by_illiteracy_rate

According to Chinese govt, Xinjiang has only 4.64% illiteracy rate. So this means that either CCP is lying or you are an idiot. Which one is it?

Who tell you all Uyghur and Tibetan hate chinese? how many Uyghur and Tibetan you know? There are over 6 million tibetan and 12 million Uyghur living in China!!!

If Uyghurs love China so much then why did this happen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_2009_Ürümqi_riots

South Tibetan was not Indian land before 1947, if it is your land, your premier Nehru won't need "forward policy", you just need a "stay policy".

Tell me, in 1962, which country made the first move and sent the army across the border? Which country was on the defensive and which country was on the offensive? After the war was over, why did China withdraw from Arunachal Pradesh?

Does CCP tell you about these things?

Listen the land you took, soon or late, have to return back to China, if you don't want your mother land to be dismembered.

The problem is, there are one million Indians in Arunachal Pradesh who are very patriotic and don't want to be with China. What are supposed to do with them?

And stop fantasizing about dismemberment of India. What the hell do you even think India is? There are 1 billion people in India, no one can split us apart. Your childish posts do nothing but lower your credibility.

 

[civfanatic]

Again u try to distort it to your own taste?

Before Uigur migrated westward to today's Xinjiang and got Islamized Han Dynasty (3rd Century or so) and Huns and other like ancestors of Uzbeck were there

For one thing I agree with u - Uigur are Turkic and even saved Tang Dynasty (8th Century)

What am I distorting? There is no reason to be ashamed of history.

Whether you call them Huns, Xiongnu, Uyghurs, or whatever, these people are the natives of the Inner Mongolian/Turkestan area and lived there centuries before the Han ever set foot. The Han tried many times to convert these peoples into "mainstream" Chinese, but they failed because of the nomadic and highly independent lifestyles of these peoples. They were not like agricultural people in South China, who accepted Han culture after centuries of rule. Even today, these people are resisting Han domination, despite mass immigration by Han settlers into Xinjiang.

 

[Illusive]

in fact it was exact suggestion China raised in 1950s. If India had accepted it, there would have be no sino-India war in 1962 and the sino-india border disputes would have been solved long ago.

In fact, Burma accepted such a similar suggestion from China and China also acceptted the east section of McMahon-line as sino-Burma boundary.

However, at that time India rejected it and kept sending troops northward...so.we all know what happened later.

But now, CCP seems not to be satisfied with the suggestion raised by China in 1950 any more and wants Tawang back.

How about this, we give AP to Tbet and you let Tibet free.

 

[Bangalorean]

South Tibetan was not Indian land before 1947, if it is your land, your premier Nehru won't need "forward policy", you just need a "stay policy". Listen the land you took, soon or late, have to return back to China, if you don't want your mother land to be dismembered.

Dismemberment of India, eh? What do you think you are? No matter what your CCP goons tell you, you are still a third world backward place, though you like to think of yourself as a very powerful country. The Chinese arrogance is both amusing and amazing. Vietnam, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan - everyone hates you. Actually, no one likes your nation apart from North Korea and Pakistan.

If your country had really been so powerful, your violent CCP goons would have captured Arunachal long back. You can't do it today, and as India grows economically and militarily more powerful with each passing day, even less so. And this disgusting Chinese behaviour will cause an alliance to be created with all nations that are tired of the expansionist bully communist Chinese government: South Korea, India, Australia, USA, Japan, Vietnam, Taiwan, West European nations, etc. Then you just watch the fun. Take on the whole world with Kim Jong Il's starving nation and the failed beggar state Pakistan on your side. It will be fun to watch.

 

[houde10000]

let's fight, can not wait to see the result

Dismemberment of India, eh? What do you think you are? No matter what your CCP goons tell you, you are still a third world backward place, though you like to think of yourself as a very powerful country. The Chinese arrogance is both amusing and amazing. Vietnam, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan - everyone hates you. Actually, no one likes your nation apart from North Korea and Pakistan.

If your country had really been so powerful, your violent CCP goons would have captured Arunachal long back. You can't do it today, and as India grows economically and militarily more powerful with each passing day, even less so. And this disgusting Chinese behaviour will cause an alliance to be created with all nations that are tired of the expansionist bully communist Chinese government: South Korea, India, Australia, USA, Japan, Vietnam, Taiwan, West European nations, etc. Then you just watch the fun. Take on the whole world with Kim Jong Il's starving nation and the failed beggar state Pakistan on your side. It will be fun to watch.

Man, let's fight, only woman talk talk talk talk talk..., and talking can not free tibet, talking can not get South Tibet back, so let's fight again, hope this time indian army can behivior better, hope chinese army hasn't changed from Mao' army to American army. I just can not wait to see the result. I bet it will come in 10 years, India should double its military budget as soon as possible, I don't want to see a soccer game between Germany and Indian, want to see it between Germany and Brazil. Come on, my indian friends, I believe you can beat chinese if you try hard, but 30 billion dollars, definately not enough, PLAN will have 4 or 5 aircraft carriers before 2020, what indian will have? do you want to lose indian ocean to chinese?

 

[houde10000]

Dismemberment of India, eh? What do you think you are? No matter what your CCP goons tell you, you are still a third world backward place, though you like to think of yourself as a very powerful country. The Chinese arrogance is both amusing and amazing. Vietnam, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan - everyone hates you. Actually, no one likes your nation apart from North Korea and Pakistan.

If your country had really been so powerful, your violent CCP goons would have captured Arunachal long back. You can't do it today, and as India grows economically and militarily more powerful with each passing day, even less so. And this disgusting Chinese behaviour will cause an alliance to be created with all nations that are tired of the expansionist bully communist Chinese government: South Korea, India, Australia, USA, Japan, Vietnam, Taiwan, West European nations, etc. Then you just watch the fun. Take on the whole world with Kim Jong Il's starving nation and the failed beggar state Pakistan on your side. It will be fun to watch.

I don't think chinese really worry about vietnam, south korea, japan, taiwan, philipia, indonisia, malaysia, singapo, tailand, lao, etc. More poeple hate America than hate China, this won't effect America at all, when American president visits any country, he only see the charming smile face. Those countries around China were chinese vassal country, and they will be again if India loses the second time war with China, so please, please, please, Indian friends work harder and harder, increase your military budget, buy more AC, jet fighter, T100 tank, ........ Don't be selfish, you have your duty to save the world, free tibetan, uyghur.......

 

[houde10000]

Mr. Bangalorean,

Indian should execute some governors, it is unacceptable to take 28 years to equip IAF, 60 tons Arjun tank waste indian 30 years time and billion dollars. First, i think India should reform its low efficiency congress, have one real powerful leader, like Hitler, Stalin, Mao, whatever, otherwise you guys spend too much time argue in congress.

Indian somehow need to improve their efficiency, chinese build a high speed railway from Beijing to Shanhai, around 1000 miles, only take 5 years from government made decision to put in service, how long will take indian to complete the same project? 30 years?

Somehow, indian need to change, otherwise, there is no any hope to win the war with chinese!!! Believe me, if you don't plan to return the land, there will be a war, so prepare it!!!