Surgical strikes inside Pak. Possibility?

[Indx TechStyle]

Israel is facing ignorance after India's ties with Iran.
Simply, east is rising but not peacefully. Massive trouble like Europe in WW1.
If WW3 will occur, West on one side, China and Russia on one side, some countries in east and south China sea on one side and India as a catalyst, on other side with some little bros like Bangladesh. .
We have risen as a great power but too much buzz around world.
Totally world is biased.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

@Bornubus We were talking about surgical strikes in pakiland, obviously, they will start a war after that, and this will be aftermath of war.

 

[aditya g]

Somebody fix the title of this thread. I jumped upon reading the title!

 

[aliyah]

y do ppl think Pakistan will start a war which they know they cant win with country like which in every term is far bigger than it.......and they cant use nuclear bomb too (IAF destroy some training camp in azad Kashmir which is not part of Pakistan till now and in response they drop nuclear bomb,we know pakis are mentally retarded but not this much) . all they can do is talk big and scare us nothing more. so send IAF n do some bombing.

 

[no smoking]

Just a question, what if an Indian bomber is shot down by Pakistan's air defence in such an operation and the pilot dies. What will Indian do then? Bombing the air defence network in Pakistan and starting a full scale war? or say sorry and beg for the return of body?

 

[Screambowl]

Madrash of Terrorist Masoud Azhar in Bhawalpur,IAF targets should be similar to these.

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First we need to find out, how much strategically important this Madrassa is for the ISI and terrorists. Because we should not be targeting bogus and dummy targets. If targeting it creates set back in them, then only go for it.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Just a question, what if an Indian bomber is shot down by Pakistan's air defence in such an operation and the pilot dies. What will Indian do then? Bombing the air defence network in Pakistan and starting a full scale war? or say sorry and beg for the return of body?

If our plane is shot down, we will start a war. Because these are pakid who first ignored warnings for taking actions against terrorists and finally we had to do that. Nothing wrong in it.
And if they start a full escalation war, me and you both know the result.

 

[Screambowl]

@Bornubus We were talking about surgical strikes in pakiland, obviously, they will start a war after that, and this will be aftermath of war.

When we carry out airstrike, we should be very secretive. Last time, during parliament attack, when we tried to retaliate, pakis intercepted the chatter among indian airforce personals. which alerted the pakis, and musharraf ordered to counter attack the very next minute and again after 2 hours.

If India carries out strike secretly. This will give us time to counter the, counter attack of Pakis.

So, to carryout strikes, we need to do it when the expext the least.

sent from mars

 

[raja696]

First we need to find out, how much strategically important this Madrassa is for the ISI and terrorists. Because we should not be targeting bogus and dummy targets. If targeting it creates set back in them, then only go for it.

Military heads behind pathankot should be attacked using covert ops and madrasas with surgical strikes... simultaneously. There should be no more thick fat pak military snake heads to think or dare to strike us back... (mainly generals responsible for planing and directing terror on us). We should focus covert attacks on military and isi heads time to time so much that off the record new upcoming generals should piss in there pants to fill those dead generals seats.

 

[airtel]

we have bought heron UAV from Israel , and Avenger ( predator -c ) stealth UAV from USA , we should use these UAV's ,paki radars could not see American helicopter , they would not be able to see these UAV's , these UAV's have a very large range & can carry weapons ............and I think India is planing something like that , this is why we bought such UAV's ........and ISRAEL & USA are helping us .

 

[Navneet Kundu]

Even before Kargil,our Air Force had the ability to bomb Paki strategic locations both Civilian and militrary in 1965 and 1971,including Sui Gas Power Plant worth 500 Crore in sindh,and misc targets like Rail yards,we had inferior Slow moving Aircrafts back then,prone to shot down by Paki Air defense and F 104 and sabres.

India has always had the ability to bomb Pakis, it's not the capability that is the bottleneck. Remember, India's 'Pakistan problem' is not just a Pakistan problem, but rather a 'US-Britain-Saudi-Pakistan alliance' problem. Even yesterday the US has made a statement asking India to stay the course on the Indo-Pak composite dialogue, it has also said that India must not force Pakistan to expedite the process of acting against JeM and must let Pakistan take its own course, in the meanwhile India must not derail the dialogue or tie the fate of the dialogue to the results of the Pathankot investigation. What does that mean? the US is building pressure on India, stating that they will pin the blame on India if the dialogue is derailed (btw Doval has announced that the dialogue has been called off) and matter escalates thereby using their propaganda machine to portray India as an irresponsible nation (like they did during WTO negotiations).

It's the same with Paki nukes. The concept of Paki nukes is not a finite number, meaning, it's not like they have 130 nukes and once those are taken away they cease to be a nuclear power. Rather, Pakistan will continue to have nukes as long as it is in US interest to let them have nukes. India can take military action against their existing nukes, doesn't matter, the US will simply lend them new nukes from their NATO coalition agreements. There is a rule in NATO that if a non-nuclear NATO member demands nukes, the nuclear powers can lend them nukes for their safety. That's how Poland is pondering to get some nukes, this news was released just last week.

Pakistan continues to be a nuclear power, and a terrorist state because the US wants it to be that way. If it had been any other way, then Pakistan will cease to have any strategic value to USA.

So get this idea out of your head that the Paki problem can be solved by just attacking Pakis. Pakistan is a pressure point created by US to blackmail India and if you have to allay that threat, you have to start treating it as US threat to India, and start preparing your deterrence accordingly. Meaning, if the US appeases Pak too much, we must start threatening to join pro-Russia alliance in Syria, or sign a non-aggression pact with China over Taiwan, or support the Iranian position in Iraq, or give nukes to Argentina to counter Britain in Falkland islands. Once the west realizes that every pro-Pak action of theirs is causing an anti-West move by India, then they will stop shielding Pakistan. Once the cost-benefit analysis for supporting Pakistan starts showing negative gains for US interests they will mend their ways. This is not about morality of terrorism and humanity. Understand how leverage works. We can't do shit unless we have leverage. The Pakistan problem will not go away if we continue to propose regional solutions to a global geostrategic game. We need to hurt American strategic interests. It is a large playing board with a lot of variables. It is definitely not a matter of whether our planes are supersonic or not.

 

[Screambowl]

Military heads behind pathankot should be attacked using covert ops and madrasas with surgical strikes... simultaneously. There should be no more thick fat pak military snake heads to think or dare to strike us back... (mainly generals responsible for planing and directing terror on us). We should focus covert attacks on military and isi heads time to time so much that off the record new upcoming generals should piss in there pants to fill those dead generals seats.

Yes I second that.
This will give them more setback than targetting the camps. Camps should be targetted when their command and control is destroyed simultaneously.

sent from mars

 

[Screambowl]

we have bought heron UAV from Israel , and Avenger ( predator -c ) stealth UAV from USA , we should use these UAV's ,paki radars could not see American helicopter , they would not be able to see these UAV's , these UAV's have a very large range & can carry weapons ............and I think India is planing something like that , this is why we bought such UAV's ........and ISRAEL & USA are helping us .

Pakis knew about american helis, finally pakis were involved in this. They dont want to show and tell muslim world that they were involved.

sent from mars

 

[Bornubus]

Just a question, what if an Indian bomber is shot down by Pakistan's air defence in such an operation and the pilot dies. What will Indian do then? Bombing the air defence network in Pakistan and starting a full scale war? or say sorry and beg for the return of body?

What if Israeli plane was shot down by Syrians ?

Probably they threatened to give the pilot back or more serious strikes including Artillery and syrians had strong military before Civil war.

 

[Bornubus]

we have bought heron UAV from Israel , and Avenger ( predator -c ) stealth UAV from USA , we should use these UAV's ,paki radars could not see American helicopter , they would not be able to see these UAV's , these UAV's have a very large range & can carry weapons ............and I think India is planing something like that , this is why we bought such UAV's ........and ISRAEL & USA are helping us .

We don't have Avenger as of now but Paki Air force is not big and won't be able to survive, if we carry out a surgical strike.

 

[Bornubus]

India has always had the ability to bomb Pakis, it's not the capability that is the bottleneck. Remember, India's 'Pakistan problem' is not just a Pakistan problem, but rather a 'US-Britain-Saudi-Pakistan alliance' problem. Even yesterday the US has made a statement asking India to stay the course on the Indo-Pak composite dialogue, it has also said that India must not force Pakistan to expedite the process of acting against JeM and must let Pakistan take its own course, in the meanwhile India must not derail the dialogue or tie the fate of the dialogue to the results of the Pathankot investigation. What does that mean? the US is building pressure on India, stating that they will pin the blame on India if the dialogue is derailed (btw Doval has announced that the dialogue has been called off) and matter escalates thereby using their propaganda machine to portray India as an irresponsible nation (like they did during WTO negotiations).

It's the same with Paki nukes. The concept of Paki nukes is not a finite number, meaning, it's not like they have 130 nukes and once those are taken away they cease to be a nuclear power. Rather, Pakistan will continue to have nukes as long as it is in US interest to let them have nukes. India can take military action against their existing nukes, doesn't matter, the US will simply lend them new nukes from their NATO coalition agreements. There is a rule in NATO that if a non-nuclear NATO member demands nukes, the nuclear powers can lend them nukes for their safety. That's how Poland is pondering to get some nukes, this news was released just last week.

Pakistan continues to be a nuclear power, and a terrorist state because the US wants it to be that way. If it had been any other way, then Pakistan will cease to have any strategic value to USA.

So get this idea out of your head that the Paki problem can be solved by just attacking Pakis. Pakistan is a pressure point created by US to blackmail India and if you have to allay that threat, you have to start treating it as US threat to India, and start preparing your deterrence accordingly. Meaning, if the US appeases Pak too much, we must start threatening to join pro-Russia alliance in Syria, or sign a non-aggression pact with China over Taiwan, or support the Iranian position in Iraq, or give nukes to Argentina to counter Britain in Falkland islands. Once the west realizes that every pro-Pak action of theirs is causing an anti-West move by India, then they will stop shielding Pakistan. Once the cost-benefit analysis for supporting Pakistan starts showing negative gains for US interests they will mend their ways. This is not about morality of terrorism and humanity. Understand how leverage works. We can't do shit unless we have leverage. The Pakistan problem will not go away if we continue to propose regional solutions to a global geostrategic game. We need to hurt American strategic interests. It is a large playing board with a lot of variables. It is definitely not a matter of whether our planes are supersonic or not.

So we should follow our master US like a Loyal Bitch, funny it was Pak which was known for this.

 

[Navneet Kundu]

So we should follow our master US like a Loyal Bitch, funny it was Pak which was known for this.

If you read my comment properly, I have repeatedly professed hitting American interests, not obeying them. Ajit Doval has said, just a few hours back that India will hold off the dialogue until Pakistan acts against JeM. Which means that we certainly are not following the American script of forced reconciliation.

As to our retaliation to Pakistani attacks, there are other ways to achieve same level of damage without having to use IAF assets. The Afghanistan-Pakistan border is porous, we could sneak in as many operatives as we want, plus, Afghanistan's intelligence agency has assets within Pakistan, we could use them. After all, if madrassa mosquitoes are to be killed, one could do it with infantry action too. Using IAF deliberately to show bravado and invading radar defenses will result in losing the propaganda war. We need to take coercive action while maintaining a false face of friendliness. China, Russia, USA all do that. They devour entire civilizations without even giving a single burp then they take a nap and when they wake up, their media says "humanity has prevailed, thanks to our peaceful efforts".

No one here is professing that we should not retaliate but you seem to be more interested in advertising our involvement than the retaliation itself.

 

[airtel]

Pakis knew about american helis, finally pakis were involved in this. They dont want to show and tell muslim world that they were involved.

sent from mars

pakis were involved ?? why the hell they protected osama in the first place ?? and why USA stopped giving them Aid ? why they are now partner with China ? why they are not joining saudi coalition in yamen ??

why America is giving it's critical technologies to India ?

10 years ago there was no weapon business between India -USA , but now they are our largest weapon supplier ??what about billions of American investment in India ?? what about American support to India in international front ??

 

[musalman]

LOL the only thing you guys can do is stop playing cricket

 

[A chauhan]

After going through the "Nukes over-rated..." thread I am convinced that that we can take any punitive action against Pakistan including airstrikes on Terror camps in POK. We shouldn't be afraid of anything.