Shani temple to Sabarimala..................

[jackprince]

What is unnatural about being gay?

I have come across many people of different orientations and they seem to be very normal to me. In fact, they are more devout and committed than your average normal straight couple.

Is it natural that gays are permitted to rear kids in west? A mother and a father is not just for procreation of child, but they play a much bigger role in building a man or woman of the child. It has already been proven in many studies in western nations that a child with both parents present has much better chance of developing better intellectual to social skillset, than a single parent child. Now, how do you think the gay parents would rear a child presenting both male and female role models in the child's life. This in turn damage the future of a society in whole when more and more children, whose sexual orientation happens to be straight, comes of age and they don't have any idea about their role on the society, but a vague whitewashed idea of their responsibility.

Further, nature's natural course for any species is procreation and mutation for survival of the species. How does homosexuality helps on that? If it doesn't, it is against the natural course.

Any species' primary role os safeguarding its future generation, in which the modern liberalism is an utter failure.

Yes sir, women, dalits, lepers, HIV+ all fall in the same category and should be barred from entering & defiling holy Hindu shrines.
I am saying this despite being a brahmin male.

Despite being a Brahmin? What makes you a Brahmin? Being born with a family name like Sharma, Vedi, Chakravarti, Mukhopadhayye? In that count Buddhadeb Bhattacharya, the commie, too was a Brahmin. Heck, a surprising no. of commies are from Brahmin families. But are they? I have seen the number of leftist scums belonging to families with Brahmin surname, without an iota of faith towards Hindu religion, claiming is Brahmin ancestry when an argument such as this is to made.

Btw, being a Dalit and being a woman is a different. Like one is a artificial construct of society and one is, you know, natural. Since Dalit is a class which is not recognised anywhere in any of the ancient texts (mind it that Sudra is not being Dalit), the restriction cannot be imposed based on one's Dalithood. However, celibacy of a man and presence of a woman is something with more direct connection, and believing putting restriction on women's presence before a celibate deity would be less distructing for the deity, is completely different that restricting an earstwhile Dalit from entering the temple.

Btw, people have played Dalir card so many times whenever they needed to subvert one or other aspect of Hinduism, that it does not cut anymore. For eg. the recent outcry by media on that Hyderabad guy's suicide, did not resonate with people as much as such incidents used to. We aren't that much stupid anymore.

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

Of course, you forgot to speak anything about discrimination against men in religious rituals!! There is a mythology guiding these practices--some are open to men other to women. If there is any religion which has treated man-woman relationship holistically--it is Hinduism.

And btw, courts cannot dictate religious practices.

Sorry, courts can interfere in religious practices.

 

[asingh10]

* Hindu religious practices because we are too fattu to tell Muslims anything.

"By bashing islam you will only provoke violent responses and counter responsed and this cycle of violence will continue and distroy our country. "


http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...with-islamic-state.75058/page-18#post-1128045

 

[archie]

Stop lying through your teeth, any men can can go inside with wet clothes but women are not allowed inside. It's your mental issue( see how Pakistanis are making conspiracy theories on everything) which is desperately trying to find any kind conspiracy theories to malign the movement.

If there was no women movement happen to have in muslim community for enter the darga than you would have asked " why only on hindu temples ? Now that there is a similar protest happening on islamic places you want to weigh and compare the drama palyed and people gathered and want to portry the muslim women's movement as a as a fake movement or fake drama just to support the hindu womens movement " with malicious intentions.

Hello Each and every temple have their own codes of what can be done and what cannot be .. for example in thiruvannamalai climbing the mountain to the top is not done unless you have fasted for a day ... that mountain is sacred ..

In this temple if it happens to be men only with we cloth whats wrong and how is that discrimination??

Thirupathi/Thirumala kalyanotsavam is not allowed for unmarried people and Children are not allowed ,, is that discrimination???

Would you women not allowed on submarines as discrimination??? its got a reason behind it... so do these things just cause you don't understand does not mean its wrong

Understand the context i am placing this issue.. this is not an issue for that Moronic woman's right organization in the first place

The Muslim event that happened only for a few hrs and no more foloow up .. but the hindu thing its been going on for days together ... BTW personally i dont care what they do in a mosque as long as they dont come and poke their noses or pass wrong aspersions on Hinduism

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

Hello Each and every temple have their own codes of what can be done and what cannot be .. for example in thiruvannamalai climbing the mountain to the top is not done unless you have fasted for a day ... that mountain is sacred ..

In this temple if it happens to be men only with we cloth whats wrong and how is that discrimination??

Thirupathi/Thirumala kalyanotsavam is not allowed for unmarried people and Children are not allowed ,, is that discrimination???

Would you women not allowed on submarines as discrimination??? its got a reason behind it... so do these things just cause you don't understand does not mean its wrong

Understand the context i am placing this issue.. this is not an issue for that Moronic woman's right organization in the first place

The Muslim event that happened only for a few hrs and no more foloow up .. but the hindu thing its been going on for days together ... BTW personally i dont care what they do in a mosque as long as they dont come and poke their noses or pass wrong aspersions on Hinduism

Kalyanotsavam as the name denotes is for married couples ? Or those who wish to get married ? But in the shani temple women is kept away unreasonably. As i searched there are reports that thirumal did allow single men, women etc.
Would you go on to justify if a dalit is kept away from a particular Temple sighting thirupathi example ?

When you say muslim darma did not last, you imply that It should last longer if not its a pretentious attempt by " secularists " and their real aim was distroying hindu traditions.

 

[jackprince]

Sorry, courts can interfere in religious practices.

Actually courts morally cannot since it is a secular institute. It can intrude on some matters which affects the society, like untouchability, but how puja is performed and how the priests are selected or who administers the temple should not come under the purview of any secular institute - be it Govt or Court.

Now, it is happening is a completely different matter. SC is bulldozing here, and undermining the faith people has in it with every such action it does.

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

Actually courts morally cannot since it is a secular institute. It can intrude on some matters which affects the society, like untouchability, but how puja is performed and how the priests are selected or who administers the temple should not come under the purview of any secular institute - be it Govt or Court.

Now, it is happening is a completely different matter. SC is bulldozing here, and undermining the faith people has in it with every such action it does.

Of course religious practices cannont go against constitution, and this is a clear case of gender discrimination.

 

[Sakal Gharelu Ustad]

Of course religious practices cannont go against constitution, and this is a clear case of gender discrimination.

Yes. If 10 temples out of 10000 have different rules, it makes it a gender discrimination issue!!

Constitution allows freedom of religion. By your logic-- will you ban Rakshabandhan??

 

[DingDong]

Of course religious practices cannont go against constitution, and this is a clear case of gender discrimination.

Everything depends on peoples' will. If People want they can force changes in the constitution and tell the courts to take a hike, or even better deconstruct the current Judiciary to replace it with a fresh one. Anyhow, the current Judiciary barely works.

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

Everything depends on peoples' will. If People want they can force changes in the constitution and tell the courts to take a hike, or even better deconstruct the current Judiciary to replace it with a fresh one. Anyhow, the current Judiciary barely works.

Every thing doest always depends up on peoples dicision. And even if people managed to influence a decision it need not be the right dicision.current democracy also isn't that great but it will be foolishness to go for a theocracy or autocracy.

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

Yes. If 10 temples out of 10000 have different rules, it makes it a gender discrimination issue!!

Constitution allows freedom of religion. By your logic-- will you ban Rakshabandhan??

Constitionl allowances of freedom of religion is subjected to restrictions.religious practices cannont violate the principles of equality.


Why should there be a ban on raksha bandhan ?

 

[Sakal Gharelu Ustad]

Constitionl allowances of freedom of religion is subjected to restrictions.religious practices cannont violate the principles of equality.


Why should there be a ban on raksha bandhan ?

Guy's have to pay while girls are shown as weak who need protection. The Indian state should ban this misogynistic gender discriminatory festival.

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

Guy's have to pay while girls are shown as weak who need protection. The Indian state should ban this misogynistic gender discriminatory festival.

Men are physically stronger than women in general so is the concept.
Will you then go on to sight raksha bandhan as an excuse if women/ dalits etc are banned from temples ?

 

[Sakal Gharelu Ustad]

Men are physically stronger than women in general so is the concept.
Will you then go on to sight raksha bandhan as an excuse if women/ dalits etc are banned from temples ?

1) de-hyphenate Dalits and women as explained in multiple posts before

2) It is 1/100,000 temples that might have such rule. So, there is no need for state intervention as it is based on local culture and myth. Those, who don't believe it can go and make their own temple as simple as that.

 

[Sakal Gharelu Ustad]

@Agnostic_Indian - I have a much stronger stance on it given temples are not public property. Group of people can deny anyone they want, given they can sufficiently prove that they are the owners or care-takers.

We are not living in 50s when dalits were banned from all village temples. We do not need high-handedness of state such that it start poking nose in everyday affairs.

 

[A chauhan]

No state intervention is needed, nor it should be done, however I support women's entry in any Hindu temple (let women take risks on their own) , though the current dispute of Shani temple seems to be a political (leftist) one. Good for Ghar-wapasi like things.

 

[asingh10]

The problem is Hindus are willing to buldge. Muslims will not buldge even on small things like national anthem,Vande Mantram etc which should basic criteria for any citizen of India. So beware of snakes who make a sales pitch "I''ll help you reform Islam if you back me on Hindu reform". These people know very well there is no scope of reform among Muslims, they know there are no takers for their ridiculous ideas in Islamic society and in all likeliness it'll invite violence. They are are just trying to deracinate Hindus and soften them up for evangelists and Islamists.

 

[Mad Indian]

Can someone please explain why you all are debating @Agnostic_Indian as if he is a rationalist? He is a muzzie to the core and why are you bothering with him at all? treat him like a paki and this thread would be better.

 

[asingh10]

1) de-hyphenate Dalits and women as explained in multiple posts before

2) It is 1/100,000 temples that might have such rule. So, there is no need for state intervention as it is based on local culture and myth. Those, who don't believe it can go and make their own temple as simple as that.

The hyphenation is done purposely, he knows the Dalit issue is a soft spot for Hindus and will evoke empathy/weakness from Hindus that he can exploit. Very typical of Islamists.

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

Can someone please explain why you all are debating @Agnostic_Indian as if he is a rationalist? He is a muzzie to the core and why are you bothering with him at all? treat him like a paki and this thread would be better.

What ever makes you feel good dude...