Russia Ukraine War 2022

Who will win this war?.


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RocketMan

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It has always been this way, only the world has become more open to information. I think your ancestors didn’t care much that the kingdom of Castile was fighting the Arabs on the Iberian Peninsula or when Constantinople fell and Islam began to penetrate the Balkans. It was carried from the Volga by the Tatar-Mongols.
It’s just that our life has found itself in this period.
After all, the problem is not religion. Iran remained a Muslim country until the Islamic Revolution. The problem is the radicals. Every religion has them. I am Eurocentric, so I know the history of this part of the Earth better. The Pope declared Crusades not only against infidels.
India has more ethnic groups than Europe & it's still united, surviving & growing in power. If Europeans don't put aside their differences and unite , they will fall to barbaric hordes of Islam. There will be no Russia , Ukraine or France . They will treat your women worse than animals & kill your kids .
 

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If the United States wants to plunge into the abyss of WW for the third time, then there is no need to help. But only the naive would believe that Putler will stop at the border with Poland, although he spoke about borders with NATO before 1997. + now have combat experience. Ukraine will be swallowed up and Moldova, Georgia and Armenia will immediately automatically disappear. Intoxicated with success, they will move to the Baltic countries. Who will believe the words of Putler, who a week before the start of the war said that he was not going to invade Ukraine. By the way, he laughed at the American warning about a future terrorist attack. American soldiers want to die - this is not a serious war in Iraq and Afghanistan. Now the money that will be allocated to help Ukraine is an order of magnitude less than what will have to be spent on the war. It's a pity that the Trumpists don't understand this. If Trump doesn’t give money, we will then take a loan from Norway. Who has heard of problems with Soviet caliber ammunition? This company alone produces 20 thousand mortar shells per month and wants to produce one hundred thousand by the end of the year. There are dozens of such enterprises.
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Ukraine produced 400 armored vehicles, including tanks, that year. At the initial stage of the war, we could not do without American help. Now there is an alternative, but everyone will see that the United States is a bad ally.
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Dude, you have not one original thought in that brain of yours. I've heard that same scare tactic bullshit a 1000 times and from a hundred different media channels. It's been the narrative for awhile now. It won't work. Putin won't invade a NATO nation, it's impossible. Remember I said that, impossible. So if the impossible happens, please rub it in my face.
 

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only the naive would believe that Putler will stop at the border with Poland, although he spoke about borders with NATO before 1997. + now have combat experience. Ukraine will be swallowed up and Moldova, Georgia and Armenia will immediately automatically disappear. Intoxicated with success, they will move to the Baltic countries. Who will believe the words of Putler, who a week before the start of the war said that he was not going to invade Ukraine
Come on now. There are just standard CNN/NYT talking points and are mostly BS. Why would he ever invade a NATO country? Strategically it doesn't even make sense.
 

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Dude, you have not one original thought in that brain of yours. I've heard that same scare tactic bullshit a 1000 times and from a hundred different media channels. It's been the narrative for awhile now. It won't work. Putin won't invade a NATO nation, it's impossible. Remember I said that, impossible. So if the impossible happens, please rub it in my face.
You need to make an exception for the Baltic States. Those are the only NATO countries he would be interested in invading if give causi belli. As for the other NATO countries, he would just prefer to nuke them.
 

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Come on now. There are just standard CNN/NYT talking points and are mostly BS. Why would he ever invade a NATO country? Strategically it doesn't even make sense.
This is precisely the strategic meaning. After Sweden and Finland became NATO members, Russia closed the Baltic Sea. How much will the words of the United States be worth after Afghanistan and if they surrender Ukraine? The Baltic countries have little chance. They clearly don't have enough strength. John is only brave in words and Hans and Jean will not die in this unequal war. Like in 1940, they will create puppet governments and ask foreign troops to leave. Afterwards they will ask to join Russia.
 

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This is precisely the strategic meaning. After Sweden and Finland became NATO members, Russia closed the Baltic Sea. How much will the words of the United States be worth after Afghanistan and if they surrender Ukraine? The Baltic countries have little chance. They clearly don't have enough strength. John is only brave in words and Hans and Jean will not die in this unequal war. Like in 1940, they will create puppet governments and ask foreign troops to leave. Afterwards they will ask to join Russia.
America won't risk a nuclear war over some puny Baltic countries. Ukraine has every right to self defence against Russian aggression but Americans only want to bleed Russia by using Ukrainian soldiers & they care nothing about humanitarian catastrophe in Ukraine. In hindsight it was a monumental mistake to dismantle nuclear weapons by Ukraine when USSR dissolved.

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America won't risk a nuclear war over some puny Baltic countries. Ukraine has every right to self defence against Russian aggression but Americans only want to bleed Russia by using Ukrainian soldiers & they care nothing about humanitarian catastrophe in Ukraine. In hindsight it was a monumental mistake to dismantle nuclear weapons by Ukraine when USSR dissolved.

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Ukrainians did not disarm out of altruistic motives. Russia took over the Soviet debt which it repaid full and in counterparty it took over the UNSC permanent seat and nuclear warheads.
 

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Ukrainians did not disarm out of altruistic motives. Russia took over the Soviet debt which it repaid full and in counterparty it took over the UNSC permanent seat and nuclear warheads.
And also Ukraine didn't have the launch codes (or keys or whatever) and couldn't use the nukes anyway.
It's false narrative garbage that they keep peddling that they had nukes and made a mistake in giving them up.
 

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You need to make an exception for the Baltic States. Those are the only NATO countries he would be interested in invading if give causi belli. As for the other NATO countries, he would just prefer to nuke them.
I just think it's impossible for the Baltic states to attack Russia first. I think he's had just cause already to hit Poland and other countries with missile strikes. For example they see a huge amount of weapons at a Polish train station and they know they will be used to kill Russian soldiers. I think he's within his rights to destroy these shipments. So he's already shown great restraint. The Baltic states are a bunch of pussies. They are all bark and no bite and they are cowardly hiding behind the strongest NATO countries. They remind me of a first grader talking shit on the playground telling other kids he will get his big brother to beat them up if they don't obey his rules.
 

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Lots of interesting high impact weapons are seen in this conflict


Maximizing Bang For Bucks: Ukraine’s New Low-Cost Strike Drones
Wed 27 March 2024By H I Sutton

Maximizing Bang For Bucks: Ukraine’s New Low-Cost Strike Drones
How do you turn a length of plastic plumbing pipe, some wood, plastic wrapping and some water bottles into a strategic weapon? Ukraine's growing array of long-range attack drones are evolving to be much cheaper to build. This may allow much larger and more frequent strikes.
The ongoing strikes against Russia's oil refineries are beginning to bite. It appears a logical and impactful strategy. But it is only achievable because of the ongoing innovation of Ukrainians, their allies and volunteers. They have created long range attack drones which are far cheaper, and more available, than cruise missiles. They also overcome the range and political limitations imposed on weapons supplied by allies. This allows Ukraine to conduct systematic strikes at targets deep behind the lines, often in Russia itself.

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Brief History
Many of the early UAV raids on Russian airfields, and the strike on the Kremlin on May 3 2023, were likely launched from within Russia. The people involved, whether partisans or special operations forces, were taking huge risks. It is therefore desirable from a Ukrainian perspective to be able to launch the attacks from Ukrainian territory.
To achieve this a new type of weapon, the long range OWA-UAV (one way attack uncrewed air vehicle) was needed. As well as range and reliability, it needed accurate guidance which was jam resistant. Similar weapons had been developed by rebels in Syria, and there are of course other precursors including the Iranian made Shahed frone used by Russia, but the resulting UAVs are at the cutting edge of drone development.
Details about these drones are often incomplete. Some designs have been advertised by Ukraine, and there are crashed examples showing up on social media. But many of the producers and operators remain highly secretive. Some of the better known types may already have been superseded by better designs. However with the information available in open sources an evolution can already be observed.
The first generation of OWA-UAVs were a mix of converted target drones (e.g. UJ-25 Skyline, Morok and Tu-143), weaponization of pre-existing drone projects and ambitious first-attempts. These had moments of greatness, such as the the raid on Tuapse on February 28 2023. But better purpose-designed types were needed.
Two Trends
Now, a year later, a second generation of designs are being fielded. Although there is still a richness of designs, we are seeing two broad trends.
The first is towards incredibly low costs and ease of manufacture. One observed design is evidently constructed out of a length of plastic plumbing pipe. Despite this, the design appears effective and likely has a range of several hundred kilometers. Another better known design, the AQ-400 Scythe, appears largely built out of wood. This has an advertised range of 750 km and a 32kg warhead. The final unit cost of these drones isn't public, but they are likely a fraction of the Iranian Shahed drones supplied to Russia at $375,0000 a pop.
Ukrainian kamikaze drone

the fuselage of this drone is a plastic plumbing pipe.
AQ-400 Scythe drone

AQ-400 Scythe. Note that the undercarriage can be replaced by a dolly or launch rail arrangement.
The other trend is towards higher performance designs leveraging micro-turbojets. These are closer to cruise missiles but still slower, smaller and vastly cheaper than a Storm Shadow or Tomahawk. These types likely try to improve survivability by being harder to shoot down.

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If you have further information on the 'unnamed' types in this article please let me know.
 

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Another interesting observation:
"On a RU forum, a guy that lives in Sevastopol said that during those attacks the RU Navy deploys aerosol cloud above the piers that stinks a lot. It's supposed to disrupt the terminal IR guidance of the StormShadow and he said the rumors are that it actually works quite OK, so he can live with the stink in the area according to his words."
 

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This is precisely the strategic meaning. After Sweden and Finland became NATO members, Russia closed the Baltic Sea. How much will the words of the United States be worth after Afghanistan and if they surrender Ukraine? The Baltic countries have little chance. They clearly don't have enough strength. John is only brave in words and Hans and Jean will not die in this unequal war. Like in 1940, they will create puppet governments and ask foreign troops to leave. Afterwards they will ask to join Russia.

Sweden and Finland were always a part of the inner circle of Anglos and western europeans. US would have defended them even if they were not in NATO, that's pretty much guaranteed. Them joining NATO is just a mere formalization of those unspoken agreements.

Countries like Ukraine and even Georgia are completely different. They are just pawns in the grand game. The west is using them and giving them weapons just to bleed out Russia, not out of inherent goodwill.

Moreover Putin is not completely irrational. He picks and chooses his battles. A direct war with NATO is a war he cannot win and he knows that very well. The Baltic states honestly are just fear mongering and parroting talking points by Anglo media. They don't have the same historical significance to Russia as Ukraine.
 

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Suddenly realisation creeps in, that their defeat on the battlefield is inevitable. Hence, sucky sucky to Indian PM to get them the best possible peace deal situation.
At the beginning of this conflict, supported by their western benefactors they thought they could win this. Not to forget their haughtiness when we remained neutral, they even called Indians as having sub IQ humans.
Now bum bum is red hot and demographics gone to the dogs.
 

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America won't risk a nuclear war over some puny Baltic countries. Ukraine has every right to self defence against Russian aggression but Americans only want to bleed Russia by using Ukrainian soldiers & they care nothing about humanitarian catastrophe in Ukraine. In hindsight it was a monumental mistake to dismantle nuclear weapons by Ukraine when USSR dissolved.
No in hindsight it was a mistake to let Ukraine go. Ukraine actually wanted to stay with Russia. 2nd mistake was letting President Yanovich flee the capital. Putin should have told him to stay put and send in help to stabilize the government against the Maidan uprising and kick out the US ambassador and EU ambassadors.
 

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I just think it's impossible for the Baltic states to attack Russia first. I think he's had just cause already to hit Poland and other countries with missile strikes. For example they see a huge amount of weapons at a Polish train station and they know they will be used to kill Russian soldiers. I think he's within his rights to destroy these shipments. So he's already shown great restraint. The Baltic states are a bunch of pussies. They are all bark and no bite and they are cowardly hiding behind the strongest NATO countries. They remind me of a first grader talking shit on the playground telling other kids he will get his big brother to beat them up if they don't obey his rules.
Wrong. The Baltic states have attacked Russia. They provided material support and intel on those Ukrainian drones that were used to attack Moscow and oil refineries. It is time that Russia respond.
 

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