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BBC was again shilling for Rohingyas today. Burmese and Indian government should provide free transport for Rohingyas to UK.
They were blaming India for not keeping refugees, and today morning in the news I read about london metro and they got the reason why India is not keeping refugees. India has already suffered enough terrorism.
Now they will keep shut and will nor force India for this.
 

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They were blaming India for not keeping refugees, and today morning in the news I read about london metro and they got the reason why India is not keeping refugees. India has already suffered enough terrorism.
Now they will keep shut and will nor force India for this.
How dare you critic the paragons of cillivization and multi cluturalism even if it ruins their country to shit they will still fucking perch to us
 

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Pakistani ISI can give them money and they can rent boats and go to Europe but my preference is to go to Jordan, but leave India.
why Jordan let them go to KSA first
 

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They were blaming India for not keeping refugees, and today morning in the news I read about london metro and they got the reason why India is not keeping refugees. India has already suffered enough terrorism.
Now they will keep shut and will nor force India for this.
You are underestimating self delusional capacity of BBC luvvies. They would shill for Rohingyas even if there are 100 blasts in London. Also, BBC might be doing it out of sheer love of petro-dollars.
 

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You are underestimating self delusional capacity of BBC luvvies. They would shill for Rohingyas even if there are 100 blasts in London. Also, BBC might be doing it out of sheer love of petro-dollars.
exactly! not unlikely.

Meet the Most Anti-India Media Channel in the World

....Forget about India, UK’s longest serving PM, Margaret Thatcher called BBC as ‘Bolshevik Broadcasting Corporation.’ She went on to say, she had to fight BBC in last three elections.......
 

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Because Hindu Lives Don’t Matter: How Global Media Hid the Plight of Hindus caught in the Rohingya Wildfire



On August 25, scores of unidentified armed men with firearms, bombs, and knives opened coordinated and deadly attacks on Myanmar border posts and police. In the dead of night, they stormed and besieged Hindu villages in Maungdaw and started slitting their throats, stabbing them killing as many as 86 Hindus and their families in cold blood (Burmese Hindus living in the Rakhine state of Myanmar). After that, they set fires to their houses in Fakira Bazar, Riktapara and Chikonchhari villages rendering nearly 200 families homeless.


As a result, more than 400 Hindus along with their families from Maungdaw state fled to Bangladesh through Rezu Amtola border in Ukhia upazila of Cox’s Bazar district. They are currently being sheltered in the Paschim Hindupara of Katupalong camp in dilapidated makeshifts arrangement with very limited or no access to basic food and health services. Along the bordering areas of Baishfari, Chakdhala and Tambru, more around 200 Hindus along with Rohingyas are still stranded in the no man’s land as on August 31.


Rakhine crises that dates back to 1977 is a humanitarian crises faced by Hindus and Muslims alike. It was triggered fresh when Muslim Rohingya insurgents attacked government posts killing dozens of officers and burning Buddhist monasteries and statues. But, let it be said again, that in the face of any crises such as this that both Hindus and Muslims face together, the media of this country along with their influential international partners have always disproportionately ignored to examine the exodus of the Hindus who are burning and fleeing alongside the Rohingyas (This is the stuff that books like ‘The Ministry of Utmost happiness’ should be left alone to do).

“We fled because we heard the fighting and we heard that Hindus elsewhere had been killed,” – a woman with three children said (Reported theguardian).



There are two sides of the current ongoing crises fighting against each other. ARSA (also known by the name Harakat al-Yaqeen, or “Faith Movement.”) fighting with the Myanmar government claiming they are fighting for freedom and government claiming that ARSA is a terrorist organization. The tension got escalated when in 9 October 2016, when ARSA attacked the Border Guard Police (BGP) bases in Rakhine State and later in 12 November when they killed a senior army officer. ARSA signifies the emergence of a new Muslim insurgency in Rakhine and its leader Ata Ullah, who was born in Karachi and later moved to Saudi Arabia, has garnered much support from both the countries, due to its terror activities. Reportedly, he was also trained in modern guerrilla warfare under the Taliban in Pakistan. It does not surprise me, in fact tells more about what ARSA is all about, contrary to what they say they stand for. If Myanmar’s Union Minister for Home Affairs Lt-Gen Kyaw Swe is to believe, ARSA Terrorists want to create Islamic Republic in Rakhine.


While the stand that Myanmar government has taken is condemned by Countries like US (who in the name of national security would put cameras in the bedroom of their own citizens), but I believe that the fact that several of the ARSA (also known by the name Harakat al-Yaqeen, or “Faith Movement.”) men have connections with terrorists organizations completely vindicates India’s stand in the interest of national security to not accept Rohingya Muslims as refugees. Several Muslims and politicians in India, whether in AMU or West Bengal, who are up in ante against the government for this crises, or any other that Muslims allegedly face anywhere in the world, have seldom protested for atrocities faced by Hindus in India, Pakistan, POK districts, West Bengal or elsewhere in the world. This only indicates that the sympathy is far away from any humanitarian grounds rather than as a biased call to support their own ‘community’.


Just because Rohingya majority is of Muslims while a minority are Hindus, some of the media houses have completely ignored the terror and run-away faced by Hindus as well.
Had it been a real ‘textbook example of ethnic cleansing’, no Hindu would have died so far. Another consequence of this selective reporting is that armed insurgents, in the same cover up, have been portrayed as terrified Muslims of Rohingya. Even the Human rights mouthpieces of US have largely ignored to bring out a complete assessment of the troubles of all communities.

The right thing to do for the people and the media who are coming out in support of the Rohingya Muslims is to also voice their support for the Hindu families and the families of the killed Myanmar security officers and appeal Muslims in ARSA to lay down their arms first. It is because of them the military had to take such desperate action, lest all will be lost to the insurgents.

The moral trumpet does not blow well from one side and a Muslim insurgency like this, which begun by the terrorist attack, cannot be contained by international condemnation. Here, if you try to wash the feet like the Pope, chances are that the same would kill you before you know. However, it is imperative for the government to also ensure the safety of its innocent civilians too – be it Muslims or Hindus and there has to be a limit to collateral damage when it comes to precious lives – not just of a Muslims but of Hindus as well very much.

Selected References:

[1] http://www.thedailystar.net/world/southeast-asia/rohinga-crisis-hindu-people-too-fleeing-persecution-myanmar-violence-1456756

[2] http://bdnews24.com/neighbours/2017/08/30/terrorists-want-to-create-islamic-republic-in-rakhine-myanmar-home-minister
[3] https://www.crisisgroup.org/asia/south-east-asia/myanmar/283-myanmar-new-muslim-insurgency-rakhine-state
 

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I am slowly arriving at the conclusion that one the targets of latest Rohingya episode is sheikh Hasina.

Reasoning being:

1) Aung sung Suchi accepts kofi Annan report in oct 26th.
2) arakan Salvation Army starts violence with six hours of the reports being accepted.
3) arakan Salvation Army is linked to Jamaat in Bangladesh and Indian mujahideen.

Probably idea is alter vote share in Bangladesh elections.
 

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I am slowly arriving at the conclusion that one the targets of latest Rohingya episode is sheikh Hasina.

Reasoning being:

1) Aung sung Suchi accepts kofi Annan report in oct 26th.
2) arakan Salvation Army starts violence with six hours of the reports being accepted.
3) arakan Salvation Army is linked to Jamaat in Bangladesh and Indian mujahideen.

Probably idea is alter vote share in Bangladesh elections.
and, bangladesh has started aiding the Myanmar army in containing the insurgency/insurgents, so what you say, looks likely.
 

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I was thinking, someone should finance anonymously ferrying of these refugees to middle east or Europe. Once the refugees are refused by middle east and Europe, let's question them. Anyways the rate at which Muslim refugees are arriving in Europe from Syria and other countries, Europe will become Islamic Union in next couple of decades. We can help this process to speed up, by financing movement of refugees to Europe.
 

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Feel very sad for the people,who were killed because they were hindus.
Im very worried about the fact that muslim is the fastest growing religion,god save the people from islamic terrorists!
 

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Feel very sad for the people,who were killed because they were hindus.
Im very worried about the fact that muslim is the fastest growing religion,god save the people from islamic terrorists!
Muslims are community of people. Islam is the religion. Muslims are growing the fatest and in numbers only, Islam isn't. Don't be too concerned.
 

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5 things you need to know about the Rohingya crisis — and how it could roil Southeast Asia

By Mayesha AlamSeptember 14

A humanitarian catastrophe is unfolding along the Bangladesh-Burma border. More than 370,000 Rohingya have fled a violent military crackdown in Burma, also known as Myanmar, and are crowded in desperate conditions in Chittagong, Bangladesh. This political and humanitarian emergency is acute, volatile and could breed instability in Bangladesh and beyond.

Here are five points essential to understanding the complex and multidimensional crisis.

1. Civilians are paying the price for a small, armed insurgency

For decades, Burma has systematically persecuted the Rohingya, an ethnic and religious minority living in the state of Rakhine; at times, that persecution has included violence. But the current scale of attacks is unprecedented. So what set it off?

The simplest explanation is that on Aug. 25, the Arakan Rohingya Salvation Army (ARSA), an armed rebel group of several hundred fighters, launched attacks on more than 25 military and border police posts, reportedly killing a dozen Burmese security personnel. Led by an ethnically Rohingya but Pakistan-born and Saudi-raised militant named Ata Ullah, ARSA claims to seek an autonomous Muslim state for the Rohingya. Burma classifies it as a terrorist group. It’s not clear how much support ARSA actually claimsamong the Rohingya.

Nevertheless, in response to ARSA’s attacks, Burma’s military has launched a massive “clearance operation,” which the U.N. high commissioner for human rights Zeid Ra’ad al-Hussein has called “a textbook example of ethnic cleansing.Selective and indiscriminate violence are widespread, with reports of massacres, rape, land mines and whole villages being burned down.

2. Yes, it’s about religion and ethnicity

A Muslim minority, the Rohingya are denied citizenship by Burma and are targeted by a powerful right-wing extremist campaign led by Buddhist monks. These Buddhist nationalists are well organized, socially influential and difficult to control.

The monks are particularly active on social media, where they shape public discussions. They claim to seek to limit interreligious marriage and purify the Burmese nation, and they question the rights of non-Buddhists to be in Burma.

3. But it’s also about natural resources — especially land

The repression of the Rohingya is about more than ethnic cleavages and identity politics; it’s also about natural resources. For centuries — if not millennia — the Rohingya have lived in the Arakan area between Burma and Bangladesh. Historically, peasant communities moved freely through the region. But once modern state boundaries were established, movement was restricted. As land became a precious and profitable asset, laws were introduced by the military junta government and ramped up in the 1990s, disenfranchising rural farmers so that others could profit.

[Migrant or refugee? That shouldn’t be a life-or-death question.]

Over the past 50 years, Burma’s military has increasingly helped the state and large corporations grab land. The state has expanded control over territory and water supplies to advance its economic interests in mining, oil, natural gas, timber and agriculture. Despite recent ostensibly democratic reforms, the military leadership maintains enormous power over every sector of governance and business development. Eager to promote economic growth, the military has let Chinese, Korean, Japanese and other multinational investors work in areas inhabited by ethnic minoritiessuch as the Rohingya, Karen, Mon and Shan.

Burma State Counselor Aung San Suu Kyi has attracted increasing international criticism for her failure to stop the violence against the Rohingya. But Burma’s Constitution gives her position no real authority over the military.

[Four developments to watch after Burma’s historic elections]

So who could stop this? International stakeholders who are interested in doing business with Burma but wary of reputational costs could pressure the military leadership to end the hostilities. This is urgent, and not just for displaced populations. Continued violence and an exploding population of refugees could further destabilize the region.

4. Bangladesh can’t deal with this crisis alone

Bangladesh, simply put, can’t indefinitely handle the humanitarian disaster that has arrived on its shores. One of the most densely populated countries in the world, Bangladesh is home to more than 160 million people tightly packed into a place about the size of Iowa. With approximately $1,500 GDP per capita, this small, poor country is also highly susceptible to climate change. Some of the worst flooding in decades just hit Bangladesh, where natural disasters are common and southern shorelines are eroding.

For now, the Bangladesh government and political elites are welcoming the Rohingya refugees. But half a million displaced people quickly become an enormous burden for a poor nation. Local villagers and small businesses in Cox’s Bazaar, Teknaf and neighboring areas have pooled resources, opened their homes and even helped bury the dead.

[Where are Europe’s illegal migrants coming from? Surprise: It’s Bangladesh.]

But how long can the welcome last? As aid pours in for refugees, resentment could breed over perceptions of inequality among underserved native populations. Undocumented Rohingya are traveling beyond the camps to areas inland, searching for opportunities. Ample research and evidence suggest that this can create new conflicts and competition over limited resources, especially as refugees stay longer and seek to settle permanently — as we can see everywhere from the Middle East to Europe to the United States.

Bangladesh is a Muslim-majority country with a secular government. It’s facing a rising threat of violent extremism from Islamist hard-liners, some allied with transnational networks such as al-Qaeda or the Islamic State. The governing Awami League has responded by clamping down on dissidents with tactics such as forced disappearances and extrajudicial killings. Depending on how Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina copes with the refugee crisis and the security and economic challenges it presents, opposition groups might try to capitalize on the plight of the Rohingya Muslims. The Bangladesh Nationalist Party (BNP) and Islamist Jamaat-e-Islamii party accuse the Awami League of not doing enough soon enough to support the Rohingya. The ruling coalition accuses Jamaat of supporting militants in Rakhine, and the BNP of spreading “conspiracies” about the government’s response to the humanitarian disaster.

Internationally, Bangladesh has limited power to rally support for itself and the Rohingya. While visiting refugee camps this week, Hasina called for Burma to take back the Rohingya and shelter them safely in their homes. Few expect the Burmese generals to heed her plea.

5. No other international actor appears to be stepping in to help solve the political crisis

So can Bangladesh expect help from others in the region? Probably not. India has traditionally been Hasina’s ally. But Prime Minister Narendra Modi has failed to criticize Burma’s military operations against civilians, and Indian Home Minister Rajnath Singh has described Rohingya who are in India as illegal immigrants and a national security threat.

What about beyond? Several Muslim-majority countries from Turkey to Malaysia have condemned the violent persecution of the Rohingya, but haven’t engaged in helping solve the crisis. Last week, Indonesia’s foreign minister met with Suu Kyi and then visited her Bangladeshi counterpart, offering to help resolve the Rohingya crisis.

[Do-gooders, do no harm: What are the best — and worst — ways to help those mired in international conflicts?]

But neither SAARC (South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation) or ASEAN (Association of Southeast Asian Nations), two regional intergovernmental organizations, has stepped up to help mediate a diplomatic solution. The United Nations and the European Union are working on improving dire humanitarian conditions on the ground, but have made no progress on solving the larger problems that have pushed the Rohingya out of their homes.

And it’s hard to see who will.

Mayesha Alam is a Soros New American Fellow pursuing her PhD in political science at Yale University and the author of “Women and Transitional Justice: Progress and Persistent Challenges in Retributive and Restorative Processes” (Palgrave Macmillan, 2014)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...d-roil-southeast-asia/?utm_term=.976ee921372c
 

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Muslims are community of people. Islam is the religion. Muslims are growing the fatest and in numbers only, Islam isn't. Don't be too concerned.
How is that logical? Muslims are the ones who accepted the revelations of the prophet Muhammad and have chosen to follow the ways guided to the prophet - Islam. Islam is contained in muslims and if number of Muslims grow, Islam grows.

So, Villager Muhammad, you make no sense
 

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How is that logical? Muslims are the ones who accepted the revelations of the prophet Muhammad and have chosen to follow the ways guided to the prophet - Islam. Islam is contained in muslims and if number of Muslims grow, Islam grows.

So, Villager Muhammad, you make no sense
Why would there be so many variations in their interpretation of Islam and why are several muslim countries engaged in conflicts with each other? Even with numbers, they don't have brains to be united. Religion/ prophet/Quran etc is a political tool for the rulers of those but it's not above their personal interest which they would never admit. Muslim who truly believe what they say might make a very minor religion. Pretence it is all.
 

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Why would there be so many variations in their interpretation of Islam and why are several muslim countries engaged in conflicts with each other? Even with numbers, they don't have brains to be united. Religion/ prophet/Quran etc is a political tool for the rulers of those but it's not above their personal interest which they would never admit. Muslim who truly believe what they say might make a very minor religion. Pretence it is all.
Islam = Quran + interpretation. Interpretation can change slightly but it will be within range of error. For example, delhi will include connaught place, karol bagh, indraprasta etc and can't be exactly pinpointed. But that doesn't mean that Delhi can mean different places to different people. They are just sub location within delhi.
So, quran and hadith can have multiple interpretation bit considering that they centre around a fixed text, they are islam.

Just because there is a war amongst muslim countries doesn't mean they are not following islam. The war between islamic countries are political wars. Even father and son fight each other and so do husband and wife, but they don't become enemies. Shia and sunni war is only political. It is a war between Saudi and Khomeini. Khomeini wanted to start a revolution in the arab countries and take out the kings so that he could become Khalifa of islam. Khomeini supports Palestine, kashmir even though they are sunni. If there was any real war, he would not have.
 

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Why would there be so many variations in their interpretation of Islam and why are several muslim countries engaged in conflicts with each other? Even with numbers, they don't have brains to be united. Religion/ prophet/Quran etc is a political tool for the rulers of those but it's not above their personal interest which they would never admit. Muslim who truly believe what they say might make a very minor religion. Pretence it is all.
I forgot to mention ISLAMIC MILITARY ALLIANCE. 40 countries are members and few more countries like Indonesia etc have applied for membership which is pending. Pakistan has given nukes to Saudi and Saudi keeps funding pakistan in missile and nuclear advances.

Who said they are not united?
 

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Why would there be so many variations in their interpretation of Islam and why are several muslim countries engaged in conflicts with each other?
because its a big *kabeela* with all the kabeelaayi tendencies & characteristics. our immediate western neighbour is a saakshaat manifestation of that kabeela in all its mortal form.

BTW, increase in no. of muslims equates to increase in the demographic sway held by islam. measurement of a religion's expanse is a factor of the no. of its adherents, & since muslims are (only) those who believe or are led to believe that there is only one god 'allah', & mohd was his last messenger, the no.s of such people would determine the extent of influence of the religion. they do believe what they say IMO. those who dont, are not muslims technically & have to defect to dar-ul-harb countries to save their lives.
 

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I forgot to mention ISLAMIC MILITARY ALLIANCE. 40 countries are members and few more countries like Indonesia etc have applied for membership which is pending. Pakistan has given nukes to Saudi and Saudi keeps funding pakistan in missile and nuclear advances.

Who said they are not united?
A military alliance that would only be involved in muslim countries and only when asked so. All musmlim countries making noises about plight of Rohingyas but none are coming to help. Pakistan has refused to give citizenship to some 400k-500k rohingyas living there for decades. That's really one great pseudo-Islamic Ummah.
 

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