Rajputs in medieval age - battles and discussions

[parijataka]

We are not dissing all Rajputs but completing the facts. Some of them fought while many preferred to stay kings and enjoy perks associated with it. In the long run, they only survived because Marathas rose up as a power and Rajput forces were used by Mughals to contain them. After Maharana Pratap they hardly offered any resistance and would have been completely crushed by armies of Islam, hadn't some Hindu resistance in form of Marathas came up from the south and western India.

So what ? Look @ Iran and look @ India. If not for Rajput resistance India would have faced the same fate ! Perhaps Rajputana was exhausted after centuries of jauhar and sati and merciless attacks by Middle Eastern armies. whatever the reason, they were brave warriors who defended out north western frontiers. Period.

 

[parijataka]

People are making light hearted jokes about "giving and pimping daughters" but the truth is Akbar threatened mass invasion, rape and pillage to these kings. It's the modern day equivalent of what ISIS is doing with Yazidi girls or what Waderas do by abducting/demanding Hindu girls in Sindh by threatening the whole family or village. Jaipur was only a few days march from Delhi. Nothing to laugh or make fun of. Also, for every Jodha, there was also Hadi Rani, Rani Padmini and Rani Durgavati.

Anyway, lot of individuals in India get a narcissistic high from cheer leading their caste and viciously putting down their fellow country men. But none as committed to learn from their past faults and how to build a better future for India.

Very well said @asingh10 . Akbar is painted by commie historians as a peace loving and benevolent ruler but the fact is that he invaded and subdued smaller kingdoms brutally. The only thing he refrained from was being an Islamic bigot like Aurangzeb.

 

[asingh10]

Very well said @asingh10 . Akbar is painted by commie historians as a peace loving and benevolent ruler but the fact is that he invaded and subdued smaller kingdoms brutally. The only thing he refrained from was being an Islamic bigot like Aurangzeb.

He was a blood thirsty ghazi at first but later in life he became an apostate and wished to actively suppress Islam. Badayuni gives a good account of it.

 

[sjaswal]

People who hardly make any contribution to Indian defense forces calling other cowards.

 

[sjaswal]

The Gurjar is a great race of the world. Gurjars had been ruling India since historical times; their some families were called Rajputs in medieval period. Rajput, Maratha, Jat and Ahir are heirs of the Kshatriyas. They are not foreigners. There is no community being called Kshatriya except us all. How that Kshatriyan race can be eliminated in which Ram and Krishna were born.

All of us Rajput, Maratha, Jat and Ahirs are the stars whereas Gurjar is the Moon in the Kshatriyan sky. It is beyond human power to lessen the dignity of the Gurjars.
(Words By - Thakur Yashpal Singh Rajput, Ex-MP)

Go ask him.Anyway it was not about you.It was about the origin of these feudal heads of Rajputana principalities of 15th -16th century.

Majority of gujjars are muslims now. Those who didn,t convert are too busy in blocking the railway lines for reservation,

Here is your famous gujjar brother from across the border.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hafiz_Muhammad_Saeed

 

[maomao]

Aakar Patel is a known islamist and a rabid Anti-Hindu. He is known to produce facts against Hindus out of the Hat. He writes stories glorying islamists to the core and nothing more!

He is a closet jihadi hiding behind the leftist anti-nationals of India!

Another anti-Hindu leftist propagandist is this Scroll.in ......leftists these days are heavily relying on online sources to brainwash to create leftist zombies out of Hindus!

I don't know why people read his BS!!

 

[asingh10]

Aakar Patel is aknoan islamist and a rabid Anti-Hindu. He is known to produce facts against Hindus out of the Hat. He writes stories glorying islamists to the core and nothing more! He is a closet jihadi hiding behind the leftists anti-nations!

I don't know why people read his BS!!

The same reason why Hindus of one caste celebrate rape of Hindu women from another caste, like you are seeing in this thread. No different from Hindu liberals defending the Juvenile rapist. Just to one up the fellow Hindu, they'll join hands with anyone.

 

[Bangalorean]

The same reason why Hindus of one caste celebrate rape of Hindu women from another caste, like you are seeing in this different. No different from Hindu liberals defending the Juvenile rapist. Just to one up the fellow Hindu, they'll join hands with anyone.

We see this behaviour even on this forum. Hindus beating down their fellow-Hindus from other castes and regions. It happens all the time, and that is the primary reason India continues to wallow in so many problems.

 

[maomao]

The discussion is getting disgusting to be honest!

I agree Rajputs were brave and fought for the nation, however many were subdued to become vassals of the Mughals because Mughals and islam was the medieval version of ISIS of today, can't blame them completely and somehow they shielded South India!

More so Hindus of that era were so Blatantly foolish, CASTIST and DUMB that they could not ally with any other castes to fight and wade off inferior islamic armies (Marathas and Rajputs are classic examples)!!

If all the Hindu clans of that time could have united then in no way islam could have even stepped inside India, however hardly any Hindu king came together to protect each other (barring Battle of Rajasthan).

Leave India if all the castes would have united, Mecca would have been a Hindu temple, where arabs would have bene doing Hari bhajan and there wouldn't have been any islam or ISIS!

Our EGO and BSing nature is the cause of the rut! A defeated enslaved Rajput or Upper caste thinks he is better than a Free so called 'Lower caste' , this is where the fault lies. This jhuti / fake shan / pride of some will destroy you all!

You will align with islam to over power your local Hindu rivals and eventually Islam will over power you e.g of an exception is Western UP (Muzafarpur) were all Hindus had to come together together to cull the local islamic menace (the fault lies with natorious local Jat leaders of western UP, who thought they can keep the muslims tamed for their own electoral / political gains and eventually win over Rajputs, Gurjjars, Yadavs etc however we all know what happened to Jats and who came for the rescue)!

Learn you fools learn from History - how many times it will keep repeating itself and eventually this vile faith will devour you! Foolish Hindus don't understand the philosophy of islam, its political nature and militaristic regimented nature of society!!

If muslims are dumb suicide bombers then Hindus are certified suicidal fools!

 

[asingh10]

We see this behaviour even on this forum. Hindus beating down their fellow-Hindus from other castes and regions. It happens all the time, and that is the primary reason India continues to wallow in so many problems.

How would the Hans deal with a problem like Kashmir ? Would they spend countless wasted hours quoting from books written by British to massage our egos and increase sepoy recruitment ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dungan_Revolt_(1862–77)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panthay_Rebellion

Hindus (regardless of all castes, regions) will sit and talk about how martial they were in the past but truth is they were utter failures at curbing foreigners unlike the Hans and Japanese, who aren't such braggarts btw. Indians have never even forged a proper intellectual response to Abrahamisms, forget martial prowess.

 

[Bangalorean]

Our EGO and BSing nature is the cause of the rut! A defeated enslaved Rajput or Upper caste thinks he is better than a Free so called 'Lower caste' this is where the fault lies.

This!! :thumb:

This thread was created for a reason. Though I would normally be totally against mocking any fellow-Indian for his race or lineage or whatever, such threads are only meant to show the mirror to some arrogant members who are completely bereft of achievements in their personal lives and keep beating their chests about their "caste and lineage".

There are 1-2 posters here who have thoroughly vitiated the atmosphere of the forum. Just look at the derisive way they post about other castes and regions of the nation. Such people need a good hard dose occasionally, the same way that you give dose to Pakis occasionally to get them rid of their false notions of superiority.

Anyone who boasts about his caste or lineage is the lowest of the low, and deserves nothing but mocking and ridicule.

 

[Sakal Gharelu Ustad]

Anyone who boasts about his caste or lineage is the lowest of the low, and deserves nothing but mocking and ridicule.

A lot of these guys have no achievement whatsoever of their own and hence resort to denigrating other people by boasting about the caste of their ancestors.

 

[Sakal Gharelu Ustad]

You will align with islam to over power your local Hindu rivals and eventually Islam will over power you e.g of an exception is Western UP (Muzafarpur) were all Hindus had to come together together to cull the local islamic menace (the fault lies with natorious local Jat leaders of western UP, who thought they can keep the muslims tamed for their own electoral / political gains and eventually win over Rajputs, Gurjjars, Yadavs etc however we all know what happened to Jats and who came for the rescue)!

You are bang on point. The false bravado of local jats give them false sense of security. It is like those random VHP goons who think they can defeat Islam by beating up few random Muslims. It needs an intellectual response which is missing everywhere.

 

[asingh10]

British accounts on how the effete, non martial Bangali babu stereotype came into being. Keep in mind this is the same ethnicity that produced many prominent freedom fighters, Subash Chandra Bose included.

Repeated mentions of Christian manliness are rather interesting. I'd leave it to the people here to decide as to whether we should proud of such 'honors' bestowed upon us.

 

[asingh10]

Even martial race Indians are incapable of governing themselves as they are childlike and effeminate. However, a 17 year old British officer trained in christian manliness can lead them.

 

[asingh10]

You are bang on point. The false bravado of local jats give them false sense of security. It is like those random VHP goons who think they can defeat Islam by beating up few random Muslims. It needs an intellectual response which is missing everywhere.

Not surprised. Heard there are caste fights/riots among Hindus even today in Bangladesh and Kerala. Pathetic if true.

 

[Sakal Gharelu Ustad]

Not surprised. Heard there are caste fights/riots among Hindus even today in Bangladesh and Kerala. Pathetic if true.

May be this thread gives you an idea why this menace still exists.

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

Not surprised. Heard there are caste fights/riots among Hindus even today in Bangladesh and Kerala. Pathetic if true.

There is no cast riots in kerala..People do follow cast, mostly for marriages otherwise it's not a big deal in everyday life and relations.

 

[pmaitra]

This thread has come a long way since I was off.

Thank you, whoever did it, for changing the title into an interrogative sentence, so that it is no longer a claim.

India is large and diverse. We should all be proud of what we are, without belittling others. I think statements like "daughter selling" are distasteful, and has been going on for a very long time. A retaliation was inevitable, given the initial provocative statements were not effectively censored.

National unity can only be had by respecting each other, not by putting each other down, but by appreciating each other's greatness. Everyone contributes.

One specific rancour that was evident earlier in this thread was about Rajputs and Marathas. Both have produced excellent warriors. Neither side is superior/inferior to the other.

Let's respect each other's boundaries. As Robert Frost said, "Good fences make good neighbours."

 

[maomao]

The real Khashtriyas of today are men / women in Armed forces, to an extent Police and law and order personnel! Baki none are Khashtriyas, how can a zamindar, shopkeeper, businessman, beggar, leftist, be a Khashtriya!!

The argument of being a Khashtriya by birth is rotten to the core as it defies the basic definition of Khashtriya!