Paris Terror Attack 13/11

[jackprince]

ISIS has people from all over the world (Euro-converts, Chechens, Afghans, Iraqis, Syrians, Uighurs from PRC). It is not limited to the same social group of Syria (whatever social group you are referring to).

Sorry, it was 'similar' not 'same'. Made the correction.
Anyways, there are reported to be over 10K ISIS fighters and about 3K of them are from foreign countries. So, where does rest of the fighters come from? Either Iraq or Syria. Also, where does the fighters for Al Nusra or FSA come from? It is from the societies of Syria and Iraq. The SAA is formed of mostly Sunni arabs, and guess what ISIS is?

Do you know why Hezbollah came into existence? Do you know what happened before Hezbollah came into existence? If you don't, then let me remind you, before Hezbollah came into existence, Israel invaded Lebanon.

Yes, I know why Hezbollah came into existence, and what happened before that and also what happened before THAT, too. You can blame Israel all you want to, but they acted and protected their own interest. Why did Lebanon gave sanctuary to PLO? They reaped what they sowed. You also seem to forget what Hezbollah did to their fellow Lebanese christians?

Are you disagreeing with my post or agreeing with it? You have written a lot of things, but there is nothing in your long paragraph that explicitly agrees or disagrees with my post.

It was not about disagreeing or agreeing with you, but accepting the fact that your example is weak to show how SAA's actions vindicates the horror that is Islamic ideology.

 

[pmaitra]

Sorry, it was 'similar' not 'same'. Made the correction.
Anyways, there are reported to be over 10K ISIS fighters and about 3K of them are from foreign countries. So, where does rest of the fighters come from? Either Iraq or Syria. Also, where does the fighters for Al Nusra or FSA come from? It is from the societies of Syria and Iraq. The SAA is formed of mostly Sunni arabs, and guess what ISIS is?

Reiteration of what I stated:

ISIS has people from all over the world (Euro-converts, Chechens, Afghans, Iraqis, Syrians, Uighurs from PRC). It is not limited to the same social group of Syria (whatever social group you are referring to).

Yes, I know why Hezbollah came into existence, and what happened before that and also what happened before THAT, too. You can blame Israel all you want to, but they acted and protected their own interest. Why did Lebanon gave sanctuary to PLO? They reaped what they sowed. You also seem to forget what Hezbollah did to their fellow Lebanese christians?

What did Hezbollah do to their fellow Christians? When did this happen? Did it happen before or after the Sabra and Shatila massacre? Could you please elaborate?

No ifs or buts. Israel has been the aggressor.

It was not about disagreeing or agreeing with you, but accepting the fact that your example is weak to show how SAA's actions vindicates the horror that is Islamic ideology.

You are making things up. I am not talking about ". . . SAA's actions vindicates the horror that is Islamic ideology." You made that up. I said what I said. Not all Muslim's are terrorists, as @Agnostic_Indian correctly stated. My position is very strong. Thousands of Muslims are fighting against ISIS. This does not dwell upon your agreement or disagreement. It is a fact.

 

[maomao]

There have been huge protests against the forced islamic immigration in the EU and MSM there have ignored it completely only RT covers such events. It's such a shame that the will of the native people are ignored by the leftist liberal infested media houses and institutions in favor of islamic expansionism. Anyways common europeans are tired of such impositions and results will be on the faces of leftists soon!

 

[pmaitra]

Who were the suspects behind the Paris terror attacks?

There are videos at the link.

 

[Screambowl]

And there would be a boom boom all over France by Peace loving Religion followers.

And guess what... who would be a happy person... he belongs to a very Civilized country

Finally US has managed to keep first brick to destroy EU's economy( I am not talking about UK) through refugees and wars in their background.

 

[Screambowl]

Frankenstein effect. Some politician in the US said that there will be another 9/11 in the US. Well, I suppose even if it happens, some people in the US will continue to prop up such terrorists in the hope they will counter Russi

That's the old american tactic. Induce a war in the backyard of a nation or in a continent, it helps in blocking economic growth of the nation. Because they lose less in an attack than what they gain by using these proxies for a long term agenda.

 

[Screambowl]

Every crime/inal is not qualified to call as a terrorist.

Are you aware Genghis Khan beheaded Millions of men and raped their women!.But no one consider him God'son/Prophet/Any holy man.

If any one consider Pedo,terrorist,Murderer,Looter,Killer and liar as a Prophet or Holy-man is himself a Pedo,terrorist,Murderer,Looter,Killer and liar.Period.

See what CIVILIZED world thinks about Islam&Muslims.This is not one many many demonstrations all around Europe.

Sir, you don't have to worry about Europe. I repeat, when India warned them about this rogue extremism, they ignored. India always said that Pakistan is using the same extremism for their interest, but US and UK still supplied them arms and what not sort of other assistance.

Of course France has been a close ally of India, but then they also failed to convince/or never convinced the EU and US for stop giving aid and weapons to Pakistan. Pakistan trained these extremists against India with that aid, and harboured AQ. Now many of these same extremist have joined Daesh.

 

[Screambowl]

MOSCOW: Russia's President Vladimir Putin has vowed to find and punish the attackers who brought down a plane with 224 people on board in Egypt's Sinai last month, after he was informed by the country's security chief that it was a "terror act."

Russian Plane Downed in 'Terror Act'; Putin Vows to 'Find And Punish' Attackers
http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/russ...n-terror-act-1244284?pfrom=home-lateststories


This statement of Putin came only after Paris attack. Looks like KGB managed to get rid of US pressure on France, on Syrian Issue and bring France on Russian side over this. Russia is telling that Syria is our(EU) backyard and should not be destabalized, US is 10000kms away.

 

[Immanuel]

Your whole narrative is build on the fact that Putin, the ego-maniac that he is, got offended and decided to arm random terrorists.

You can continue giving credit to where it is not due and claim how awesome Putin is and he does not like jokes.

State craft has various motives and emotions are a big part of it, you are pretty silly to think the two aren't connected.

 

[Immanuel]

You were talking about state craft a while ago. Stick to one.

Now, you are claiming Russians are morons who would bomb an inconsequential target because they got offended by jokes on their dead. And they would not take any action against real hate and venom spewing NYT.

Either Russians work on emotions or state-craft. Choose one and don't use them inter-changeably.

Bombing NYT serves no purpose, getting Paris bombed out which was going to happen anyways only pushes their objectives forwards. More so, let's see what Charlie comes up with now. Two weeks ago they were mocking the Russian dead, let's see them mock the French dead then. You're a dumb ass to think Statecraft isn't motivated by emotions.

By this move, they got the French riled up and now France is dolling out statecraft to ISIS using Rafales

Seriously who made you moderator.

 

[Immanuel]

BTW, Mumbai attacks was a Russian false flag operation masterminded by Russia to teach India a lesson for not buying Russian weapons. Surely, you can see the correlation.

Proof: Putin is an egomaniac and Russians are excellent at statecraft

PS: If you don't find the above message offensive and degradative to Mumbai victims- please shoot yourselves for being scumbags. If you did find it offensive, stop making useless and pathetic excuses for this barbaric act as it is spitting on the graves of the victims.

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[jackprince]

Bombing NYT serves no purpose, getting Paris bombed out which was going to happen anyways only pushes their objectives forwards. More so, let's see what Charlie comes up with now. Two weeks ago they were mocking the Russian dead, let's see them mock the French dead then. You're a dumb ass to think Statecraft isn't motivated by emotions.

By this move, they got the French riled up and now France is dolling out statecraft to ISIS using Rafales

Seriously who made you moderator.

You should try to write some pulp fiction thriller, but stay away from actual thrillers. Too many logical holes.

1. Russia would be unnecessarily taking risk for some perceived notion of slight and insult without any gain. Statecraft by the people like Putin may be partially influenced by ego and emotion, but those hardly ever rule their actions.
2. The terrorist attack on this scale at national Capital would always bring out France from its cocoon and as expected France got more heavily involved in bombing ISIS, which is counter-productive from Russian angel as it would have to share its win with France now on, as the same media which were ignoring hundreds of bombing run of Russian planes are now gushing over a few dozen strikes of France.
3. To arrange such a scale of coordinated attacks, which includes suicide bombers, it takes time, and obviously more time than 2 weeks. Arranging for suicide bombers with combat training to be in Paris is alone going to take more time even if SVR had a bomb-maker with requisite skill-sets on speed dial. Unless you are suggesting that Russia wanted to strike Paris anyway, are you?

 

[Immanuel]

You should try to write some pulp fiction thriller, but stay away from actual thrillers. Too many logical holes.

1. Russia would be unnecessarily taking risk for some perceived notion of slight and insult without any gain. Statecraft by the people like Putin may be partially influenced by ego and emotion, but those hardly ever rule their actions.
2. The terrorist attack on this scale at national Capital would always bring out France from its cocoon and as expected France got more heavily involved in bombing ISIS, which is counter-productive from Russian angel as it would have to share its win with France now on, as the same media which were ignoring hundreds of bombing run of Russian planes are now gushing over a few dozen strikes of France.
3. To arrange such a scale of coordinated attacks, which includes suicide bombers, it takes time, and obviously more time than 2 weeks. Arranging for suicide bombers with combat training to be in Paris is alone going to take more time even if SVR had a bomb-maker with requisite skill-sets on speed dial. Unless you are suggesting that Russia wanted to strike Paris anyway, are you?

1. Well, the insult wasn't to Putin alone but a whole nation fresh in mourning, I doubt Putin/KGB or any one would let this go quietly. Besides what's the risk, the way KGB plays it, no one will ever know. The French will end up going after the low level gun runners, the planners themselves and fuck shit up in Syria. Thy have been doing such ops for decades.

2. Russia knows that it alone can't tackle the problem while the US continues to arm other anti assad militias, they need folks on their side including the US getting down on the table and pushing the political process forward with Assad being replaced next year

3. KGB has plenty of intel on cells in Belgium, UK, France, Germany, they can reach out to low level arms dealers quite easily. For them to send out a couple of dufflel bags of raw materials is child's play. They only have to monitor active cells and send out the goods, the rest takes its own course. In the black market there are quite a few known arms dealers. Whether the attack itself happens within a week or a month has no implications for them, that depends entirely on how prepared the cell is with their plans. Moreso, everyday the cells linger around with bags of fuck shit up the higher the chance to get busted. Once they get raw materials, usually the same week, they can quickly set it up.

The attack was not very co-ordinated. Its like they picked out high audience targets a couple of days prior and went after them. They hardly had the chance to throw out enough rounds and at the first sign of counters from police, they blew themselves up. If they were really coordinated or well planned, they would have turned this into a real drawn out episode like Mumbai. These are were rag tag and not commando trained terrorists like the ones in Mumbai.

 

[Screambowl]

Darling,I never ever worry about Islamic terror attacks in West'n countries instead I welcomes them because I knew they avenge with 1000 Muslims for every citizen death.And don't forget islamists digging their own grave by attacking west.Said already West/Merica Vs Muslims Popcorn time !

As far as Porkistan, it is just a failed-taliban state. It is insult to talk anything about porkis the only best place for Porkis in India or in this forum is
http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/failed-terrorist-state-of-pakistan-idiotic-musings.21193/

1000 muslims killed by west in some 4th world arab country for every citizen in West, and what good does it do for India? Does that control or stop any threat from pak sponsored terrorism and brainwashing in India?

 

[Sakal Gharelu Ustad]

Bombing NYT serves no purpose, getting Paris bombed out which was going to happen anyways only pushes their objectives forwards. More so, let's see what Charlie comes up with now. Two weeks ago they were mocking the Russian dead, let's see them mock the French dead then. You're a dumb ass to think Statecraft isn't motivated by emotions.

By this move, they got the French riled up and now France is dolling out statecraft to ISIS using Rafales

Seriously who made you moderator.

Bombing NYT is out of league for your Putin probably. It is not about serving purpose, but having the balls to do it.

But a country head getting riled up by a third grade magazine cartoon is really immature. Keep peddling BS. At least it shows Putin is as stupid as those Jihadists who blow themselves up for a cartoon.

 

[The Last Stand]

RIP innocents. Of the air plane attack, the bombings in Beirut, and France.

@Gabriel92 ,

Please don't take us in the wrong way. Everyone here has sympathy for victims of Islamic terrorism. What we can't stomach is the hypocritical reactions of the West.

When it was the plane attack that lead to the Sinai Crash, it was Charlie Hebdo's crap. They were all silent on Beirut. They start screaming when it happens to France.

We are also angry that the West never supported India in the past morally throughout the J&K insurgency, instead supporting Pakistan or remaining neutral. US even sent nuclear armed battleships to try and intimidate us in 1971, when we were doing the RIGHT THING, and fighting for TRUE HUMAN RIGHTS.

It is the hypocrisy that makes the bad responses, don't take it personally, bear with our faults.

None of us are perfect, we are all human and make mistakes. It is what unites us regardless of race, gender and country.

If any of these gentlemen on DFI ever visit Paris, you would see genuine sympathy and outrage on their faces. They only chose to put THEIR country first on the forum

 

[rockey 71]

Spoiler: Bloody pictures

Rupert Murdoch Tweet:Judaeo-Christian extremists have been attacking mosques in France. Not in my name! I condemn this extremism and want to state I'm a moderate Judaeo-Christian and condemn this!

 

[TrueSpirit2]

Wahhabism came in the 18th century, as stated below. The US has found a convenient group that believes in Wahhabism to counter Russia, but the US did not invent Wahhabism.

I deliberately succumbed to emotions & exaggerated.

Having said that, US in my view is the main reason why our territorial sovereignty is under a constant threat. US is the reason why Paki's could manage nukes from PRC. That limits our options & allows people to say: Hindus are cowards.

And, the US did invent Taliban (whether we like it or not) & once done in A-stan, those mercenaries were fighting IA/security forces in J&K. Rest is history.

Once simply cannot the blame US enough for the ills plaguing our subcontinent.

 

[nik141991]

yes calling out barbarians(Muslims) for being barbarians is religious bigotry. perhaps your kind should stop being barbarians for a change instead of asking us to close our eyes. Just saying.

Do you see us calling Jews, xtians, Sikhs, Buddhists, Pastafarians as barbarians? Why? Everywhere Muslims create problem and everywhere they cause terrorism. And still tour kind want us to believe your kind is peaceful. You must think we(non muzzies /kaffirs) are really that retarded to think that we will buy you bs.


And of course , the gall you have to play muzzie victim card in a thread about where muzzies have killed so many . seriously do your kind think you are so superior that we can't even question your kinds beliefs even if it kills thousands of us?

So who dont agree with your views is a Muslim extremist anti national ,cant be a hindu must be muslim brilliant logic

 

[nik141991]

We don't tolerate ideologies who tell tell followers to rape our women & burn our Mandirs.

I am Nri & Indian, must be re-constructing old reality & be most intolerant.

Good tell these to @Bornubus & his fellow turds who were proudly claiming in SRK threas how their dogra & Sikh ancestors raped Muslim women & given chance will do it again