Pakistan will remain nuclear as long as India remains nuclear

[The Last Stand]

@pmaitra @Ray

Anything special to add here? We could use your opinion.

I must mention that this thread seems to be getting out of hand. :why:

 

[bose]

ancient Pakistan?
even though it will take sometime for you.but a good read

Well Pakistani term is not derived from Pakistan.Pakistani merely is not a race But a state of mind.
Even if i donot fall under a critera of Pakistan.even having the Pakistani citizenship i am not a Pakistan.

As i said earlier Pakistan is a state of mind.not everyone can claim to be a pakistani.such as people like zaid hamid or Zardari doesnt cant be termed as pakistani other than because of there nationality

the indus civilization era as in the past even right now is Similar to pakistani culture..
Yes with Islam the culture is slightly different.but the Original religion of us pakistanis was only Buddhism(of almost 20% or more pakistanis)

Punjabi were buddhist,Sindhi's had there own religion.Pashto was the religion of pashtuns while i am not sure about Baloch.Baloch being closer to iranian.must have some iranian religion back than.

So in a sense Pakistan always were different and will remain different than indians/Hindustanis or south asians.

Bhai Jaan,

But the concept of Pakistan was drowned in the Bay of Bengal on 16th Dec 1971, The Bengalis broke away from Pakistan now the Balochis are on the same path...

 

[Dovah]

Please read more about King Ashoka.as to why he has to accept Buddhism only to be allowed into Pakistan.

But i dont want to go deep into this debate of religions now

Hi,

I'm a little bad at fake history. could you please elaborate this post.

 

[hello_10]

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does this mean that if India commit not to make Nuclear Attack on Pakistan then Pakistan will also do the same?????

No first use (NFU) refers to a pledge or a policy by a nuclear power not to use nuclear weapons as a means of warfare unless first attacked by an adversary using nuclear weapons. Earlier, the concept had also been applied to chemical and biological warfare.

As of October 2008, China[1] and India[2] have publicly declared their commitment to no first use of nuclear weapons.

No first use - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Alpha1]

But is it not Pakistan a part of AKHAND BHARATH ?

no Bharat is a part of Greater Pakistan

 

[bose]

no Bharat is a part of Greater Pakistan

Very nice, so let us merge into one and get back the glorious days of Ashoka and Porus...

 

[Alpha1]

Bhai Jaan,

But the concept of Pakistan was drowned in the Bay of Bengal on 16th Dec 1971, The Bengalis broke away from Pakistan now the Balochis are on the same path...

1stly its BALOCH
not balochis
2ndly It's an Indian wet dream
3rdly majority of the BALOCH are patriotic
4thly Only some corrupt feudal Lords are causing the problem

 

[Alpha1]

Very nice, so let us merge into one and get back the glorious days of Ashoka and Porus...

or maybe Akbar or Aurengzeb

 

[bose]

1stly its BALOCH
not balochis

agreed... I meant something similar to like the Punjabis...

2ndly It's an Indian wet dream

India wants a united Pakistan we do not have any ill intensions...

3rdly majority of the BALOCH are patriotic
4thly Only some corrupt feudal Lords are causing the problem

Bhai Jaan, apko patta nahin hai, Balochistan pe kya ho raha hae... please read the history of rise of Baloch people there... Baloch people are different than Pakistan, Baloch people are close to Iran in culture...

 

[bose]

or maybe Akbar or Aurengzeb

Or Chandragupta Maurya whose kingdon spaned from present day Afghanistan to Myanmar....

 

[Kunal Biswas]

I would have spend more time here to read about such claim, I hope this argument are not imported from Terrorist forum which is full of big mouths..

Pakistan probably doesn't have Chinese systems, rather it was @LETHALFORCE who hinted this. He meant that when Nukes are proliferated missiles would be too.

I have good reason to believe Chinese claims since they have, after all they have sent things to space. And I have quoted Wikipedia since it is probably the most neutral source when concerning Chinese weapons. Range and MIRV capacity are very good.

 

[W.G.Ewald]

@Bangalorean @p2prada @sayareakd

Respected members,

As we all know, Farhan's delusion has driven him to the point of near-insanity and outrageous claims over Pakistan. Let's not drag this out anymore. He is 47 years old, you cannot teach an old dog new tricks. Alpha seems to be no different.

Both clearly demonstrate Madrasa logic and knowledge, we know what they do to people.

In all respect, we have deviated miles from the topic, a neutral observer like @W.G.Ewald can study the thread, do a little digging and decide.

Does anyone know of a "neutral" history book that we can recommend to him?

Quoting the article at the beginning of the thread:

Yet, after New Delhi's involvement in dismembering Pakistan's Eastern Wing and testing its nuclear weapons in 1974, Pakistan was left with literally no choice but to respond in kind and make up for the conventional arms weakness. Please make note that while India's nuclear programme is for prestige, Pakistan's is purely security driven. It is a right of self defence as enshrined in Article 51 of the United Nations Charter.

I don't really accept those assumptions. And I believe Paki nukes have much less security than those of India, a point probably also made by others.

 

[p2prada]

this is a very stupid logic?do you know the meaning of pakistan?(Land of pure).
Anything discovered within pakistan or by a pakistani(even if they are migrated from india) such as in the case of Urdu.the indigenous speaker migrated to the land of pure later.

With that logic, we can lay claim to English.

The meaning of Pakistan is only on paper, not in practice.

I will repeat again, Urdu is older than Pakistan.

Lol yes now indians even claim that IVC belong to them.The people of present day Pakistan even pre partition had nothing in similar to indian including the cultures or language.
We dont claim hindi or sanskrit because they dont belong to us.urdu doesnt belong to india or indian and its better you guys put off urdu as not even a official state level language.it hurts us

IVC belongs to us. Urdu belongs to us. Heck Hindi and Urdu were developed from the same roots. How hard is that for anybody to understand.

Pakistan never was a permanent part of india or south asia.please read some neutral sources

Then what is called Partition of India? Pakistan needed to be a part of India for India to be partitioned. Sorry, no logic in your claim.

In that respect, Bangladesh was once partitioned from Pakistan.

yes i agree pakistan indeed was merged with india but historical we always were different people.

You obviously don't know this, but India is the most diverse country in the world. Only the whole continent of Africa beats us when it comes to population diversity. Even the people of Harayana and Punjab are different.

Historically, anybody within 200 Km of the other were different people.

Lol i still remember those gandhi words "Mere lash k ooopar jane k baad pakistan banega" and you know Jinnah made pakistan dande k zorr parr.
we dont need anyone permission.may be you were joking

Political speeches are for domestic consumption. They are not necessarily ground realities.

what?first of all Hindi is a copy of Urdu and sanskrit.
And no urdu is not regarded as hindustani language

Tell the panel of world language experts that they are wrong.

Urdu language -- Encyclopedia Britannica

Urdu indeed was discovered in india.but those indians are in pakistan in majority.
Urdu now belong to us.even Hindi belong to pakistan but leave it.

So the day English becomes a majority language in India, we can claim English for our own. That's your logic.

Indian never was our identity.i will post the detail later as to why pakistan never was a part of india.and why in the ancient times indians were not allowed to visit pakistan.i had the site bookmarked but not able to find now..will post later

ROFL. Google Porus, Akhbar, Aurengzeb, Ashoka etc etc etc. And more etcs added for good measure.

Your country abandoned its past after terming itself as the Land of Pure, a country for Muslims yadda yadda.

 

[Bangalorean]

ancient Pakistan?
even though it will take sometime for you.but a good read

History of Pakistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Well Pakistani term is not derived from Pakistan.Pakistani merely is not a race But a state of mind.
Even if i donot fall under a critera of Pakistan.even having the Pakistani citizenship i am not a Pakistan.

As i said earlier Pakistan is a state of mind.not everyone can claim to be a pakistani.such as people like zaid hamid or Zardari doesnt cant be termed as pakistani other than because of there nationality

the indus civilization era as in the past even right now is Similar to pakistani culture..
Yes with Islam the culture is slightly different.but the Original religion of us pakistanis was only Buddhism(of almost 20% or more pakistanis)

Punjabi were buddhist,Sindhi's had there own religion.Pashto was the religion of pashtuns while i am not sure about Baloch.Baloch being closer to iranian.must have some iranian religion back than.

So in a sense Pakistan always were different and will remain different than indians/Hindustanis or south asians.

This is so silly. Do you have any idea how foolish this sounds to a neutral observer?

So according to you "Pakistan is a state of mind". What sort of crazy nonsense is this? Anyone can make up definitions and meanings sitting in their bedrooms. You are telling me, you are not a Pakistani, Zardari is not a Pakistani, Zaid Hamid is not a Pakistani, because they do not have the "state of mind".

Please spare us this tomfoolery. Your definitions which you come up with in your bedroom or while sitting in the toilet are of no consequence. Pakistan is a term that gained currency in the 1930s when a few Indians were disillusioned with the prospect of living in a Hindu-majority nation. Period. Pakistan is an approximately 80 year old concept. No matter what spin you try to put on it with your outlandish theories, it just shows your desperation to gain an identity - some identity distinct from India.

People will take you more seriously and neutral foreign observers will desist from calling you a crackpot if you just simply state the truth: namely, that "Pakistan is a land of Indians who did not want to live with the rest of the Indian population owing to differences in religion".

As regards your comment on the ancestors of present-day Pakis being Buddhists in the past, let me ask you this: what were these Paki ancestors before that - i.e., what was before Buddhism? Do you know how Buddhism came into being? Buddhism came into being in around the 6th century AD. And lord Buddha was born as a Hindu Kshatriya warrior prince. And additionally, his family was of Hindu Brahmin lineage.

If you don't know things, read. Read, understand, ask, get things clarified. Don't make stupid statements.

And you amuse me with your talk about IVC. Similar to Paki culture of the present day? What utter bullshit. Do you even know about the IVC? You are guys who talk constant nonsense about "idol worship" and worship of the elements, and "pagan rituals". Who gave you the deluded idea that your modern-day Islam-based society is similar in any way to IVC? It is modern Hinduism i.e. Hindu society, which shares several traits with IVC. Your society is an imitation of Arab society and religion, with South Asian influences and cultural practices.

Again: if you don't know things, read. Read, understand, ask, get things clarified. Don't make stupid statements.

 

[Bangalorean]

Then what is called Partition of India? Pakistan needed to be a part of India for India to be partitioned. Sorry, no logic in your claim.

In that respect, Bangladesh was once partitioned from Pakistan.

Your country abandoned its past after terming itself as the Land of Pure, a country for Muslims yadda yadda.

LOL, in his previous post this fellow was saying that "Pakistan is a state of mind, and even I am not a Pakistani, not even Zaid Hamid and Zardari are Pakistanis".

And now he says that "Pakistan never was a permanent part of india or south asia." Yeah, why not - everyone knows that present day Pakistan was dropped in the middle of Iran and India from outer space and present day Pakis were also dropped from another planet.

This level of delusion on such a mass scale is actually very worrying. In any other nation, it would be a case for psychiatrists to look at.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Minuteman is completely outclassed by Soviet R-36, Russian Topol and Topol-M. But only thing remotely close to the peacemaker is Topol-M.

But we were talking about China weren't we

Topol has maneuverability and is more.of a land based system USA has shifted to placing it's
Nuclear assets more on the naval side in OHIO subs etc. One OHIO sub has more nuclear
Megatonnage then all the nukes in china ,India and pakistan put together.

 

[farhan_9909]

With that logic, we can lay claim to English.

The meaning of Pakistan is only on paper, not in practice.

I will repeat again, Urdu is older than Pakistan.

really if so is the case than this mean my grandfather was older than pakistan and this mean he was not a pakistan.this also mean jinnah was not a pakistan and this also mean musharaf is not a pakistan.because all of them and many more are older than Pakistan
very stupid logic i must say

do you even know what pakistan means?what was Pakistan called before?unlike persian,greek or turks the name Pakistan is not based off the people of pakistanis race.rather from historic point of view the Place under which Pakistan falls now was considered the purest place on earth a man can live in.this is how later it was named Pakistan.this was just a renaming.and this also doesnt mean that just with the change of name it has become a new country.

IVC belongs to us. Urdu belongs to us. Heck Hindi and Urdu were developed from the same roots. How hard is that for anybody to understand.



Then what is called Partition of India? Pakistan needed to be a part of India for India to be partitioned. Sorry, no logic in your claim.

In that respect, Bangladesh was once partitioned from Pakistan.

IVC?belong to india?OMG.
do you have any idea of what IVC was?the people of IVC had its own independent religion,had there own language and most important there own culture..they all together were different from the rest of south asian.

PAKISTAN - CRADLE OF CIVILIZATIONS:
COMMON HISTORY

When the pall of darkness recedes from the firmament of the past unfolding the first pre-historic vision of Pakistan, we descry the imposing spectacle of a splendid Civilization spread over a thousand-mile length from the glistening snow-capped mountains of Kashmir to the glittering sand dunes facing the Arabian Sea. This was Indus Valley Civilization, one of whose distinguishing characteristics was its independent existence, completely detached from what is today known as India. This independent entity had its own government, its own culture, its own religion, its own history, its own art and architecture, rules and regulations. From this centre radiated great ideas and ideologies, techniques and trades, which enriched every aspect of human life. Taking this period as the starting point of our known past till our own times the land of Pakistan has invariably led an independent existence.

Yes Pakistan never was a part of india.
Also bangladesh indeed had become part of pakistan in 1947 but historically it never was a part of Pakistan.

The real pakistan is what it was under the IVC and for the next 3000 years.
this is the reason we still claim kashmir to be our own as it belong to us..very shortly we will also declare indian punjab as a disputed land so does the rest of india nearby to pakistani punjab border.parts of afghanistan again were part of the ancient pakistan.
yes we wont claim Gujarat back because we dont want modi or his likes to even enter into pak.

here is the map of true and the real Ancient times Pakistan

You obviously don't know this, but India is the most diverse country in the world. Only the whole continent of Africa beats us when it comes to population diversity. Even the people of Harayana and Punjab are different.

Historically, anybody within 200 Km of the other were different people.

it may be diverse.agreed.but it has nothing to do with Pakistan.as proved with a very authentic link as to why historically pakistan never was a part of india.neither do we share anything in common other than a language spoken discovered only few hundreds years before

Political speeches are for domestic consumption. They are not necessarily ground realities.



Tell the panel of world language experts that they are wrong.

Urdu language -- Encyclopedia Britannica



So the day English becomes a majority language in India, we can claim English for our own. That's your logic.

Well No,english originated by the english people and the english people are those of the england..american cant claim that english is there originated language

Simiar to urdu It originated by pakistanis(migrated from UP to Pakistan) and hence it belongs to Pakistan

ROFL. Google Porus, Akhbar, Aurengzeb, Ashoka etc etc etc. And more etcs added for good measure.

Your country abandoned its past after terming itself as the Land of Pure, a country for Muslims yadda yadda.

Porus and ashoka both were Pakistan.while porus was a born Pakistani punjabi who defeated small scale alexender army in jhelum on the other hand ashoka even left his religion to view the land of pure because Hindu back than were not allowed to enter into Pakistan

Pakistan was created as state of Pakistan.so it was not meant for muslim only
for more detail refer to the speech of Quaid e Azam Muhammad Ali jinnah.

 

[farhan_9909]

interesting info i got from this authentic site regarded the ancient Pakistan

"It will be observed that this great stretch of country coincides very nearly with the present Pakistan, and for a significant reason: Pakistan, like the Indus Civilization, belongs essentially to the vast fertile valley of the Indus and its tributaries, sheltered by hills, sea and desert from its less favoured neighbours save where in the Punjab, the northern plains continuously fringe the foot-hills of the Himalayas. The Indus Civilization can thus be claimed in a real sense as a pre-historic prototype of Pakistan.


The archaeological evidence of continuous occupation of the city sites over centuries shows that continuity of government was somehow assured throughout the long period that its civilization lasted from say 3,000 B.C. to 1,500 B.C.- for over fifteen hundred years. There are strong indications of this culture being deeply religious where tradition was transmitted unimpaired for centuries. The remarkable conservatism and scrupulous preservation of even the details of every-day life for long periods proves that the civilization was theocratic based on religion and ideology. It would not be far wrong to call it an ideological state. That was Pakistan 5,000 years ago.

Indus Valley Civilization

 

[The Last Stand]

I would have spend more time here to read about such claim, I hope this argument are not imported from Terrorist forum which is full of big mouths..

I don't import terror, and I don't copy stuff sir.

But still, we can't disregard the fact that China has missiles.

*sigh* Why is it so hard to believe that?

 

[Bhadra]

i think u need to see ur paki intellectual views

apne mame nu sun le

Farhan to be the first on guillotine !!