North Korean nuclear crisis

[arnabmit]

Shells & rockets, yes. Against BM & CM, only under test conditions.

Pardon my ignorance and for being offtopic. Has any country successfully used an anti-missile defence system in a war scenario? Against a ballistic missile? Against a cruise missile?

 

[W.G.Ewald]

Ancient Chinese general's strategies should guide U.S. in dealing with N. Korea | TribLIVE

A wise general who wanted to attack wouldn't announce it beforehand. He wouldn't pound war drums for weeks, giving an enemy time to reinforce already superior forces. He definitely wouldn't say he intended to incinerate several American cities and then move missiles into firing position in broad daylight.

Even launching a medium-range missile out to sea — which North Korea may do Wednesday — or at any time — is not really intended to ignite a war, experts told the Tribune-Review.

This is a bluff, said David Maxwell, associate director of the Center for Security Studies at George Washington University.

"The North Koreans read Sun Tzu," said Maxwell, a retired Special Forces colonel who served five tours in South Korea. "I don't think they want to go to war at all. This is not how you go to war."

Denny Roy, a senior fellow at the East-West Center in Hawaii, agreed. The North Koreans, he said, "do not want to go to war."

But Maxwell, Roy and other experts interviewed by the Tribune-Review over the recent course of rising North Korean stakes each separately used the exact same word — "miscalculation" — to describe deep concerns about what could happen.

"This situation is the most serious since the Korean War in the 1950s," said Ellen Kim, a Korean scholar with the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington.

 

[tramp]

Ancient Chinese general's strategies should guide U.S. in dealing with N. Korea | TribLIVE

A wise general who wanted to attack wouldn't announce it beforehand.

Suppose a WISER general knows that if he makes a lot of noise the enemies will think there is no plan to attack and relax?

 

[W.G.Ewald]

Suppose a WISER general knows that if he makes a lot of noise the enemies will think there is no plan to attack and relax?

No strategist is prescient enough to see the future and dismiss every threat.

 

[SajeevJino]

N. Korean missile launchpad moved into firing position - report​

A North Korean missile launcher has moved into the firing position with rockets facing skyward, Kyodo reports, citing a Japan defense official.The Japanese government is on high alert, citing indications that Pyongyang might soon launch ballistic missiles at its island neighbor.

Defense Minister Itsunori Onodera said Thursday morning that so far Tokyo was responding by "gathering a variety of information ... with a sense of tension," according to Kyodo.

Several Patriot Advance Capability-3 missile interceptor units have been deployed in Japan over the last few days to defend key military units and the country's capital city, Tokyo. One of the units was set up at the Defense Ministry's headquarters in Ichigaya, in Tokyo's Shinjuku Ward.

The Patriots' deployment followed Japan's deployment of Aegis destroyers equipped with SM-3 interceptor missiles.

Japan authorized its forces to shoot down anything fired at it from North Korea.

The military alert status is now at Watchcon 2, reflecting a perceived "vital threat" from North Korean missiles after the North warned of a 'thermonuclear' war and asked foreigners to leave South Korea.

To counter the threat, two Aegis destroyers with SPY-1 radar have been placed on standby by the South along the Korean Peninsula.

The South Korean military is also operating early warning aircraft Peace Eye and ground-based missile defense radar system Green Pine to counter a potential rocket launch from the north.

On Tuesday, the commander of US Pacific Command said that the US is ready capable of countering the missile threat.

N. Korean missile launchpad moved into firing position - report — RT News

 

[tramp]

BBC News - Is China ready to abandon North Korea?
Is China ready to abandon North Korea?

China's new President Xi Jinping appeared to be in sociable mood at the BOAO economic forum in the southern Chinese island of Hainan.

China's state media has published dozens of photos showing Mr Xi glad-handing his counterparts from Australia, Cambodia and even Algeria.

In contrast, China's supposed ally, North Korea, received the rhetorical equivalent of a rap on the knuckles.

"No one should be allowed to throw a region and even the whole world into chaos for selfish gains," Mr Xi warned during a speech at the opening of the forum.

The Chinese president did not mention any country by name, but it is widely believed that his words were aimed at Pyongyang.

Decades ago, China and North Korea forged a relatively close relationship based on shared historical and ideological ties. But that relationship has entered a dark period.

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"Since North Korea's nuclear test in February, there has been no high-level official contact and the relationship on both sides is relatively cold," explains Professor Su Hao of China's Foreign Affairs University.

Links between the two countries failed to recover after the death of Kim Jong-Il last year, some argue. When Kim Jong-Un came to power, he failed to pay his respects to the leaders in Beijing who were providing his regime with the majority of North Korea's food and fuel aid.

"In comparison with his grandfather and his father, China has minimal personal contact with the young leader," says Cheng Xiaohe, deputy director at the Center for China's International Strategic Studies at Renmin University in Beijing.

"When this young guy came to power, he tried to show his tough face to the US and South Korea, but also to China."

'Unwelcome distraction'
Now, some academics and journalists in China are openly pushing Beijing to rethink its policy on North Korea.

In February, China's Financial Times newspaper published an op-ed article titled "China Should Abandon North Korea". Its author, editor Deng Yuwen, argued that Beijing should support Korean reunification.

He was later dismissed from his job after the Chinese foreign ministry called to complain about the article.

Mr Deng's position received support on China's internet forums, though he appears to be in the minority.

Many prominent government officials want China to maintain the status quo with North Korea, for all the usual reasons: millions of North Korean refugees could pour across China's borders if the Kim regime collapsed, creating additional economic pressures for Beijing.


Mr Xi's predecessor, Hu Jintao (right), enjoyed warmer relations with Mr Kim's father Kim Jong-Il
Also, a unified Korea might align with Washington, the thinking goes, leaving China with a US ally right on its border.

However, that is an outdated concern that only made sense decades ago, says Dr Cheng Xiaohe.

"China is a formidable country with a large economy and a modern military," he explains.

"China is not afraid of being invaded or circled by any country."

At the same time, China is busy with its own domestic troubles and Beijing's own regional tensions in the South and East China Seas. Increased troubles from Pyongyang are an unwelcome distraction.

Chinese diplomats are attempting to defuse the problem by embracing strongly worded diplomacy and United Nations sanctions to keep Pyongyang in line.

If that fails, more direct action might be taken by reducing fuel aid, as Beijing has done in the past.

If those measures fail to work, Beijing's leaders may come to miss the relatively stable days of the elder Kims.

"Peace, like air and sunshine, is hardly noticed when people are benefiting from it," Chinese President Xi Jinping noted in his opening speech at BOAO. "But none of us can live without it."

 

[amoy]

What 's going on behind the scenes?

U.S, North Korean officials met secretly in March - CNN.com

 

[W.G.Ewald]

What 's going on behind the scenes?

U.S, North Korean officials met secretly in March - CNN.com

Probably more subdued language from NK, since everything said publicly is for domestic purpose.

 

[Neeraj Mathur]

Re : North Korean nuclear crisis

North Korea's war of words escalates -- Timeline of a crisis
April 11, 2013


(CNN) -- North Korea has raised political tensions on the peninsula with a barrage of bombastic comments directed at its enemies South Korea and the United States.
Even by North Korean standards, the series of threats during the past six weeks by enigmatic young leader Kim Jong Un have been incredibly provocative, making the situation worrisome for analysts.
Here's a look at Kim's escalating rhetoric and his country's actions since he came to power after his father's death in 2011:

March 2012

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As South Korea hosts world leaders at an international nuclear security summit in Seoul, North Korea moves a long-range rocket toward a launch pad.
Pyongyang says it plans to carry out the test in mid-April as part of a commemoration of the 100th anniversary of the birth of Kim Il Sung, the nation's founder and Kim's grandfather.

April 2012[/B
]Defying warnings by U.S. President Barack Obama that Kim has nothing to gain from provocations, Pyongyang launches the rocket. It breaks apart and falls into the sea.

August 2012
Kim visits the same military unit behind a 2010 attack on South Korea's Yeonpyeong Island, where he reminds the troops to be ready to fight a "sacred war" against Seoul.
The North Korean leader makes the veiled threat just ahead of an annual war games exercise conducted on the Korean Peninsula by the United States and South Korea.
The dictator calls the joint Seoul-Washington military exercises a "war rehearsal" to invade.

October 2012
North Korea claims to have developed missiles that can reach the U.S. mainland.

December 2012
Kim announces plans to launch another long-range rocket in a renewed effort to send a satellite into space.
Two days after the government announces the launch window is being pushed back because of technical issues, the rocket lifts off from the west coast of North Korea. Pyongyang declares the mission a success.

January 2013
North Korea announces it is planning a new nuclear test and more long-range rocket launches, all of which it says are part of a new phase of confrontation with the United States.
The threats come two days after the U.N. Security Council approves the broadening of sanctions in response to the rocket launch in December that apparently put a satellite in orbit.

February 2013
North Korea carries out an underground nuclear bomb test on February 12.
The test is designed "to defend the country's security and sovereignty in the face of the ferocious hostile act of the U.S.," the North's state-run Korean Central News Agency says at the time, referring to new U.S.-led sanctions.
"This nuclear test is our first measure, which displayed our maximum restraint. ... If the U.S. continues with their hostility and complicates the situation, it would be inevitable to continuously conduct a stronger second or third measure."
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March 2013
Angered by U.N. Security Council sanctions over its nuclear test, North Korea threatens for the first time to launch a preemptive nuclear strike against the U.S. and South Korea.
It's one of a series of provocative threats and, in some cases, actions by North Korea that begin with Pyongyang saying it is scrapping the 1953 truce that effectively ended the Korean War. At the same time, it cuts off its direct phone links with South Korea at Panmunjom, the abandoned village that sits on the border between the two countries.
North Korea then doubles down on the threat, saying it is nullifying the joint declaration on the de-nuclearization of the Korean Peninsula. One of the country's top generals, according to published reports, claims Pyongyang has nuclear-tipped intercontinental ballistic missiles that are ready to be fired.
Although U.S. officials don't believe North Korea is in a position to strike the United States, the Obama administration responds to the threat by announcing plans to deploy additional ground-based missile interceptors on the West Coast.
U.S. officials also say B-52 bombers are making flights over South Korea as part of annual, joint military exercises this month that have enraged North Korea.
Pyongyang releases a new propaganda video that shows an imagined missile attack on U.S. government buildings in Washington, including the White House and the Capitol. The roughly four-minute video is posted on the YouTube channel of the North Korean government website, Uriminzokkiri.
North Korea threatens to attack U.S. and South Korea bases, putting its troops on alert. It announces through state-run media that the military is ready for combat. The threat follows claims that U.S. B-52 bombers again made flights over South Korea. Later it's revealed that F-22 Raptors and B-2 stealth bombers also take part in the U.S.-South Korea drills.
Pyongyang says it's readying rockets aimed at U.S. targets, releasing photos that show Kim meeting with military officials with strike plans on U.S. maps visible in the background. The North also cuts its last military hotline with South Korea.

April 2013
North Korea begins the month pledging to restart its Yongbyon nuclear complex, including a uranium enrichment plant and a reactor that was shut down under an agreement reached in October 2007 during talks among North Korea, the United States and four other nations. U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry responds by warning the United States will not accept North Korea as a "nuclear state."
Later that week, Pyongyang warns that it cannot guarantee the safety of safety of embassies and international organizations in the event of armed conflict. It comes as a U.S. official tells CNN that two medium-range missiles have been loaded onto mobile launchers along North Korea's east coast.
Tensions then move to a joint industrial complex that serves as an important symbol of cooperation between the two countries. The Kaesong Industrial Complex sits on the North's side of the border but houses operations of scores of South Korean companies. Pyongyang blocks the entrance of hundreds of South Korean workers to Kaesong, where more than 50,000 North Koreans work, producing hundreds of millions of dollars worth of goods each year.
Soon after, North Korea warns foreigners to secure shelter or evacuate in case of hostilities, as Japan moves its missile defense systems into place at three sites around Tokyo.
A U.S. official, who declined to be named because of the sensitivity of the information, tells CNN recent intelligence suggests that a missile test could be "imminent."
Meanwhile, North Korea's state media published articles that described festive events, suggesting a much less fraught situation inside the country.
The state-run Korean Central News Agency (KCNA) reported that various sporting events were happening or scheduled to take place to mark the 101st anniversary of the birth of Kim Il Sung, the founder of North Korea and the grandfather of Kim Jong Un.
"The ongoing sports tournaments make the country seethe with holiday atmosphere," KCNA said. Kim Il Sung's birthday, known as the Day of the Sun, is a major public holiday in North Korea.

North Korea's war of words escalates -- Timeline - CNN.com

 

[SajeevJino]

N. Korea may be able to deliver nuke, Pentagon intel says​

The Pentagon's intelligence arm has assessed with "moderate confidence" that North Korea has the ability to deliver a nuclear weapon with a ballistic missile, though the reliability is believed to be "low."

Pentagon spokesman George Little said later Thursday, "It would be inaccurate to suggest that the North Korean regime has fully tested, developed, or demonstrated the kinds of nuclear capabilities referenced in the passage" of the DIA study.

That stance was echoed by James R. Clapper, director of U.S. national intelligence, who said the statement read by Rep. Doug Lamborn "is not an intelligence community assessment. Moreover, North Korea has not yet demonstrated the full range of capabilities necessary for a nuclear armed missile."


N. Korea may be able to deliver nuke, Pentagon intel says - CNN.com

 

[SajeevJino]

Japan is first Target of North Korea if Nuclear war Erupted ​

Pyongyang warned that Tokyo would be its primary target if war broke out on the Korean Peninsula, if Japan maintains its "hostile posture." It also threatened a nuclear strike against the island nation if it intercepts any North Korean test missiles.

In the comments, carried by the Korean Central News Agency (KCNA) on Friday, Pyongyang lambasted Tokyo's standing orders to shoot down any North Korean missile heading towards Japan, Seoul-based Yonhap news agency reports. The agency warned that any "provocative" intervention on the part of Japan would see Tokyo "consumed in nuclear flames."

"Japan is always in the cross-hairs of our revolutionary army and if Japan makes a slightest move, the spark of war will touch Japan first," KCNA warned.

Speaking in Seoul alongside his South Korean counterpart Yun Byung-Se on Friday, US Secretary of State John Kerry said the rhetoric emanating from Pyongyang was "unacceptable."

'Consumed in nuclear flames': N. Korea threatens strike on Tokyo — RT News

 

[fruitcake]

All this war hype is being created by the US , its poodles and the Western media to make use of this opportunity to punish N.Korea. N.Korea wants to be recognised as a Nuke power, that is the reason for all this tantrump.
Days of US supremacy ended in the last decade. That country would have to accept the realities of today and the future.

 

[SajeevJino]

China Carries Out Artillery Drills Near N.Korean Border​

China recently moved an Army corps close to the North Korean border and staged a live-fire exercise with tanks and self-propelled guns.

The official Global Times on Monday reported that an armored brigade from a Shenyang mechanized infantry unit carried out live-fire maneuvers near the border on April 1.
Japan's Yomiuri Shimbun quoted a source in Dandong as saying the Chinese military has also stepped up vehicle patrols along the North Korean border.

Surveillance cameras have recently been installed on barbed wire fences along a 200 km-long section of the border between Hunchun and Helong in the Chinese province of Jilin on the Duman River, according to a source in Yanbian. The move seems to be part of China's preparations for a mass exodus of refugees from North Korea.

The Chosun Ilbo (English Edition): Daily News from Korea - China Carries Out Artillery Drills Near N.Korean Border

 

[SajeevJino]

All this war hype is being created by the US , its poodles and the Western media to make use of this opportunity to punish N.Korea. N.Korea wants to be recognised as a Nuke power, that is the reason for all this tantrump.

Really US created this war scenario ...Acoording to UN regulation Testing and Developing Nuclear and Bio weapons is Illegal and should be they faced tough sanctions..The same Iran sanction and more tougher sanction for DPRK they tested even ICBM'S ..

Days of US supremacy ended in the last decade. That country would have to accept the realities of today and the future.

Nope they still ruling the world ..their Supremacy won't end forever

 

[tramp]

Japan is first Target of North Korea if Nuclear war Erupted ​

Pyongyang warned that Tokyo would be its primary target if war broke out on the Korean Peninsula, if Japan maintains its "hostile posture." It also threatened a nuclear strike against the island nation if it intercepts any North Korean test missiles.

In the comments, carried by the Korean Central News Agency (KCNA) on Friday, Pyongyang lambasted Tokyo's standing orders to shoot down any North Korean missile heading towards Japan, Seoul-based Yonhap news agency reports. The agency warned that any "provocative" intervention on the part of Japan would see Tokyo "consumed in nuclear flames."

"Japan is always in the cross-hairs of our revolutionary army and if Japan makes a slightest move, the spark of war will touch Japan first," KCNA warned.

Speaking in Seoul alongside his South Korean counterpart Yun Byung-Se on Friday, US Secretary of State John Kerry said the rhetoric emanating from Pyongyang was "unacceptable."

'Consumed in nuclear flames': N. Korea threatens strike on Tokyo — RT News

Very unfortunate. It is bad enough Japan is the only country that suffered wartime nuclear aggression. And becoming the only country to suffer that twice is a seriously unwanted distinction.

 

[SajeevJino]

Very unfortunate. It is bad enough Japan is the only country that suffered wartime nuclear aggression. And becoming the only country to suffer that twice is a seriously unwanted distinction.

They get what they do ...

 

[tramp]

They get what they do ...

That is a dumb statement. US used Japan to test its nuclear bombs.... Japan was in any case on the verge of defeat after Germany's downfall when they got hit by the bombs... you will see a morally corrupt US leadership used the occasion to test two types of bombs... when one was enough.
And the message was directed at Soviet Union.

 

[SajeevJino]

That is a dumb statement. US used Japan to test its nuclear bombs.... Japan was in any case on the verge of defeat after Germany's downfall when they got hit by the bombs... you will see a morally corrupt US leadership used the occasion to test two types of bombs... when one was enough.
And the message was directed at Soviet Union.

@average american , @W.G.Ewald pls explain

 

[tramp]

@average american , @W.G.Ewald pls explain

What we learn as history is always the victor's version!!

 

[nrupatunga]

@SajeevJino: Why do saythis of US??Does forever mean next 2-3 decades or ???

their Supremacy won't end forever

Also when @tramp mentions it was directed towards soviets, it is partly true. Actually japan didn't attack much on eastern flank of soviets. hence stalin could concentrate on its western end in europe. Stalin couldn't have fought both germany and japan at same time. And US/UK were in no position to support soviets. But once soviets regained lost ground in europe and started making inroads into germany (it is actually they who conquered most of germany and met the US/UK forces and hence encircling the germans within germany. Soviets were growing in stature and influencing countries to take up communism. So when germany fell, difference had started to crop up between allies i.e. soviets and US camps. The US camp had to show the world that they were the actual victors and not US/UK camp. They needed a spectacle for the world to show their might. Hence they needed to end the war quickly in eastern theatre. Also once germans fell, soviets started moving /building up their presence on east. I am not sure whether on day of 2nd nuclear blast or just after that soviets declared war on japan. This also influenced the japanese to surrender as they could not fight both US and soviets at the same time. As japanese were loosing more or less most their war colonies, while soviet army was in full flow with victory over germans. There was some sort of competitive moves from war allies, actually cold war had begun even before world war II ended.