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Should the Indian government use armed forces against the naxals/maoists?


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mayfair

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Why aren't we able to pin point these naxal camping positions through satellite and drones or do they hide their logistics in tribal villages?
Satellites cannot always penetrate the canopy, unless we have IR-based tracking and even then their efficacy is not absolute. Plus, as you said, they can hide out in tribal villages and it will be difficult to tell a Naxal from a villager. Often they seek shelter in caves, which again may not always be visible to Sats.

Most importantly, we must have enough sats to carry out 24/7 coverage of these areas. Not sure if we are there yet.
 

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We can have simple RF jammers on foot patrols to prevent IEDs from detonating.



Use a mine flail like device



Problem is lackadaisical attitude of forces. They could have scanned both flanks for IEDs as per SOPs especially in a new outpost in a high threat area but no 'chalta hai' attitude prevailed and 9 bravehearts lost their lives.

P.S: Feels good to be back from the dungeons after that firefight. Keep fighting the good fight.

 

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We can have simple RF jammers on foot patrols to prevent IEDs from detonating.



Use a mine flail like device



Problem is lackadaisical attitude of forces. They could have scanned both flanks for IEDs as per SOPs especially in a new outpost in a high threat area but no 'chalta hai' attitude prevailed and 9 bravehearts lost their lives.

P.S: Feels good to be back from the dungeons after that firefight. Keep fighting the good fight.

RF jammers probably work only on wireless controlled IED. I don't think you can jam an IED with wired "remote".

Further most IED blasts took place on roads. Many even on newly constructed roads. The forces are there to help protect road development many times. Use of mine flails will destroy the roads.
 

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RF jammers probably work only on wireless controlled IED. I don't think you can jam an IED with wired "remote".

Further most IED blasts took place on roads. Many even on newly constructed roads. The forces are there to help protect road development many times. Use of mine flails will destroy the roads.
A reasonably good imaging processing of these roads on a daily basis should identify dug up areas and possible places where mines have been laid.
I can't figure out why such an effort is not undertaken.
 

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I was thinking of something simpler.
1) Use satellites
2) High power cameras on heli's/airplanes to repeatedly map roads. (atleast a few drones)
3) Use passenger vehicles (discretely ofcourse) that ply these roads and use them to get repeated information.

Use these images and other data to identify unnatural and unexplained changes in road conditions.
 

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1) Use satellites
Thousands of kms of roads. Try spotting pothole or manhole on google earth near your home. IEDs can be below road or under some bushes. Naxals simply dig tunnels under roads and these roads run through dense forests. So the entry point to tunnel can be 10meters away from road and road will appear spic and span. Watch this. Unlike mines which will blow up as soon as one steps on it/vehicle passes over it, Naxals can wait for multiple vehicles to pass and attack weakest link/vehicle.
As said in video the Naxals had a wired remote control sitting 90m away from IED location. So they wait and choose their target. So these arent the pressure triggered mines that can be diffused by mine flails.

Around 20 seconds later you can see a perfectly good looking road and surrounding hiding an IED. This was difused though.

2) High power cameras on heli's/airplanes to repeatedly map roads. (atleast a few drones)

3) Use passenger vehicles (discretely ofcourse) that ply these roads and use them to get repeated information
The last attack happened in area with no public transport. This ain't Mumbai with hundreds of buses or trucks running along. Any increase in activity of buses/trucks will surely be noticed. Plus you can put civilian lives at risk.
 
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RF jammers probably work only on wireless controlled IED. I don't think you can jam an IED with wired "remote".

Further most IED blasts took place on roads. Many even on newly constructed roads. The forces are there to help protect road development many times. Use of mine flails will destroy the roads.
https://www.wired.com/2011/06/iraqs-invisible-war/

Read about IED experience in Iraq.
 

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During the recent war in Israel when they were attacked by rockets from Gaza and tunnels were detected, Israel implemented ground based sensors on the entire border to detect any digging activities and alert the troops. I Believe that is a tried and tested simpler solution. All new roads that are constructed, can have such ground sensors that can alert troops of any digging activities in surrounding areas as well. A armed drone can then immediately be despatched to blow up the people digging.
 

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Adivasistan: A Separate 'Independent' Area Sans Indian Constitution, Laws
Pathhargarhi takes its inspiration from an outlandish conspiracy theory, based on some forged documents, and supported by a misinformed reading of the Constitution, according to which, adivasis have constitutional authority to declare self-rule in areas they dominate and are the actual owners of India.
Updated on: March 21, 2018, 1:36 PM IST
Suhas Munshi , News18.com



News18 brings to you a special series on the movement led by adivasis, which has spread across hundreds of villages in several states. We will publish a detailed immersive with videos, photographs, illustrations and ground reports from Jharkhand, MP and Odisha, soon.

Thousands of tribals across hundreds of villages in states with substantial adivasi population, including Jharkhand, Madhya Pradesh, Odisha and Chhattisgarh, have declared autonomy from India during the last one year.

In Jharkhand it has taken shape in form of an armed insurrection, and in Madhya Pradesh and Odisha, where the movement is still taking roots, it has taken form of a non-cooperative secessionist movement.



Through a symbolic movement called Pathhargarhi (placing a special stone outside a village), hundreds, possibly thousands of villages, are being turned into an autonomous region. Some are calling it ‘adivasi corridor’, others are calling it ‘Adivasistan’.

By installing these stones that inform the beginning of a new order, an increasing number of villages are declaring themselves to be independent of Indian laws, where 'Indian laws' like CRPC and IPC are not applicable.

Non-adivasis, including police forces, aren’t allowed inside the villages. And newly-constituted gram sabhas are taking on the role of executive, judiciary and legislature. Cases, ranging from theft to murder are being taken up and adjudicated within these villages.

These villages even run their own schools where children, forced out of government schools, are being fed propaganda. So forceful has this movement become that in places like Odisha, an elected tribal MLA has taken over the task of Pathhargarhi on himself.

The police, who have often been roughed up by vigilante gangs from these villages, are clueless and are watching the movement unfold helplessly.

Vigilante gangs from these villages routinely clash with police, often taking them hostage. In August last year 100 policemen, including the district SP, and 50 armed CRPF personnel were taken hostage by such gangs in Jharkhand's Khunti district. Only after the intervention of the DIG were they let off.

Birsa, a tribal leader from Kurunga village, boasts about having taken together with his friends, a group of 25 policemen hostage after their gram pradhan was arrested by the police. "We only let the policemen go once our gram pradhan was freed," said Birsa.

In other villages, like Bhandra in Khunti, the adivasis say they are "ready to give and take lives if our resources are threatened in any way."

Pathhargarhi takes its inspiration from an outlandish conspiracy theory, based on some forged documents, and supported by a misinformed reading of the Constitution, according to which, adivasis have constitutional authority to declare self-rule in areas they dominate and are the actual owners of India.

They claim that our colonisers – the British, only transferred power to the 'Union of India' in 1870 on a 99-year lease that expired in 1969. And that, from now on all decisions affecting adivasis have to be approved by the 'privy council' of the British empire; rules made by electorally chosen institutions like Parliament or legislative assemblies don’t apply here. All identification cards like driving license, voter ids, and Aadhaar are considered anti-Adivasi by nature.

"All this stir is being created to allow poppy cultivators to make money. The season ends in April. That's when their leaders will take their share and flee, and that's when we will move in," the SP, Ashwini Kumar Sinha, told News18.

But Pathhargarhi is flourishing as strongly in several villages inside Odisha's Sundergarh district and Madhya Pradesh's Dindori, areas where poppy isn't grown.

There are a lot of reasons attributed to the rapid rise in Pathhargarhi – police officials off the record say that the Naxals are aiding poppy cultivation in Jharkhand and Pathhargarhi is just a cover for it, some say that it is a ploy by opposition parties to rally adivasis against the ruling parties, other call it a ploy by missionary institutions to spread unrest in order to protect their areas of influence.

One such village was Sonpur, where News18 witnessed the Pathhargarhi ceremony. There were thousands of tribals, including women and children, about 3,000 of them who’d come armed with bows, arrows and crossbows, machetes, and axes, as if prepared for war.

There was a huge ceremony in which a wanted tribal leader, a man named Joseph Purti, who is on the run, inaugurated the stone. More than 60 villages in that district, Khunti in Jharkhand, are Pathhargarhi villages now. Some villages don’t subscribe to the idea of self-rule, but there is little they, or the administration, can do about it.

But it isn’t the quack theory of adivasis being rulers of India, alone. Adivasis talk about decades of neglect in their areas, where most people are still below poverty line, where potable water is in short supply and where electricity has still not reached.

Adivasis talked about the plight of those tribals who were not told about these big-ticket projects like dams in advance, and were left homeless because the state governments didn’t compensate them or provide them with an alternate shelter. They were angry, they said, because industries had swallowed up their villages completely, rendering them homeless. When these flourishing industries gave them nothing, the adivasis felt even more alienated.

“So divorced is the state from us Adivasis that they are creating fast rail projects in our areas, ignorant of the fact that we’re dying of hunger out here,” an adivasi from a village near Dindori, in Madhya Pradesh told us.

It’s hard to tell what direction this secessionist movement will take in days to come. But the tribals don't mince their words when they talk about dying or killing for their cause. Election boycott calls are rampant and the elected representatives are not welcomed in these villages anymore.

Pathhargarhi, and consequently this secessionist movement, among the tribals is spreading like wildfire. And the state administration seems to have no clue of how to deal with it, at least for now.

What the hell is this, what is MHA and Rajnath doing ??? CRPF should be sent and these tribal leaders should be made to fall in line.
 

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Another smart ass move by the christian missionaries ..The same way how they used conversion in NE saying the people of NE are different from mainland and hindian brahmin state had occupied them ..Home ministry should start really cracking the whip on these mother fucker white gowns too much anti india activities they are doing across the country from TN to Arunachal ..:mad2::mad2::mad2:

Adivasistan: A Separate 'Independent' Area Sans Indian Constitution, Laws
Pathhargarhi takes its inspiration from an outlandish conspiracy theory, based on some forged documents, and supported by a misinformed reading of the Constitution, according to which, adivasis have constitutional authority to declare self-rule in areas they dominate and are the actual owners of India.
Updated on: March 21, 2018, 1:36 PM IST
Suhas Munshi , News18.com



News18 brings to you a special series on the movement led by adivasis, which has spread across hundreds of villages in several states. We will publish a detailed immersive with videos, photographs, illustrations and ground reports from Jharkhand, MP and Odisha, soon.

Thousands of tribals across hundreds of villages in states with substantial adivasi population, including Jharkhand, Madhya Pradesh, Odisha and Chhattisgarh, have declared autonomy from India during the last one year.

In Jharkhand it has taken shape in form of an armed insurrection, and in Madhya Pradesh and Odisha, where the movement is still taking roots, it has taken form of a non-cooperative secessionist movement.



Through a symbolic movement called Pathhargarhi (placing a special stone outside a village), hundreds, possibly thousands of villages, are being turned into an autonomous region. Some are calling it ‘adivasi corridor’, others are calling it ‘Adivasistan’.

By installing these stones that inform the beginning of a new order, an increasing number of villages are declaring themselves to be independent of Indian laws, where 'Indian laws' like CRPC and IPC are not applicable.

Non-adivasis, including police forces, aren’t allowed inside the villages. And newly-constituted gram sabhas are taking on the role of executive, judiciary and legislature. Cases, ranging from theft to murder are being taken up and adjudicated within these villages.

These villages even run their own schools where children, forced out of government schools, are being fed propaganda. So forceful has this movement become that in places like Odisha, an elected tribal MLA has taken over the task of Pathhargarhi on himself.

The police, who have often been roughed up by vigilante gangs from these villages, are clueless and are watching the movement unfold helplessly.

Vigilante gangs from these villages routinely clash with police, often taking them hostage. In August last year 100 policemen, including the district SP, and 50 armed CRPF personnel were taken hostage by such gangs in Jharkhand's Khunti district. Only after the intervention of the DIG were they let off.

Birsa, a tribal leader from Kurunga village, boasts about having taken together with his friends, a group of 25 policemen hostage after their gram pradhan was arrested by the police. "We only let the policemen go once our gram pradhan was freed," said Birsa.

In other villages, like Bhandra in Khunti, the adivasis say they are "ready to give and take lives if our resources are threatened in any way."

Pathhargarhi takes its inspiration from an outlandish conspiracy theory, based on some forged documents, and supported by a misinformed reading of the Constitution, according to which, adivasis have constitutional authority to declare self-rule in areas they dominate and are the actual owners of India.

They claim that our colonisers – the British, only transferred power to the 'Union of India' in 1870 on a 99-year lease that expired in 1969. And that, from now on all decisions affecting adivasis have to be approved by the 'privy council' of the British empire; rules made by electorally chosen institutions like Parliament or legislative assemblies don’t apply here. All identification cards like driving license, voter ids, and Aadhaar are considered anti-Adivasi by nature.

"All this stir is being created to allow poppy cultivators to make money. The season ends in April. That's when their leaders will take their share and flee, and that's when we will move in," the SP, Ashwini Kumar Sinha, told News18.

But Pathhargarhi is flourishing as strongly in several villages inside Odisha's Sundergarh district and Madhya Pradesh's Dindori, areas where poppy isn't grown.

There are a lot of reasons attributed to the rapid rise in Pathhargarhi – police officials off the record say that the Naxals are aiding poppy cultivation in Jharkhand and Pathhargarhi is just a cover for it, some say that it is a ploy by opposition parties to rally adivasis against the ruling parties, other call it a ploy by missionary institutions to spread unrest in order to protect their areas of influence.

One such village was Sonpur, where News18 witnessed the Pathhargarhi ceremony. There were thousands of tribals, including women and children, about 3,000 of them who’d come armed with bows, arrows and crossbows, machetes, and axes, as if prepared for war.

There was a huge ceremony in which a wanted tribal leader, a man named Joseph Purti, who is on the run, inaugurated the stone. More than 60 villages in that district, Khunti in Jharkhand, are Pathhargarhi villages now. Some villages don’t subscribe to the idea of self-rule, but there is little they, or the administration, can do about it.

But it isn’t the quack theory of adivasis being rulers of India, alone. Adivasis talk about decades of neglect in their areas, where most people are still below poverty line, where potable water is in short supply and where electricity has still not reached.

Adivasis talked about the plight of those tribals who were not told about these big-ticket projects like dams in advance, and were left homeless because the state governments didn’t compensate them or provide them with an alternate shelter. They were angry, they said, because industries had swallowed up their villages completely, rendering them homeless. When these flourishing industries gave them nothing, the adivasis felt even more alienated.

“So divorced is the state from us Adivasis that they are creating fast rail projects in our areas, ignorant of the fact that we’re dying of hunger out here,” an adivasi from a village near Dindori, in Madhya Pradesh told us.

It’s hard to tell what direction this secessionist movement will take in days to come. But the tribals don't mince their words when they talk about dying or killing for their cause. Election boycott calls are rampant and the elected representatives are not welcomed in these villages anymore.

Pathhargarhi, and consequently this secessionist movement, among the tribals is spreading like wildfire. And the state administration seems to have no clue of how to deal with it, at least for now.

What the hell is this, what is MHA and Rajnath doing ??? CRPF should be sent and these tribal leaders should be made to fall in line.
 

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How the hell are these scums getting the funds??? When the NGO route has been squeezed, intelligence agencies should focus on this. At the same time RSS and the nearby temples should be proactive to bring these tribals under their influence.


Another smart ass move by the christian missionaries ..The same way how they used conversion in NE saying the people of NE are different from mainland and hindian brahmin state had occupied them ..Home ministry should start really cracking the whip on these mother fucker white gowns too much anti india activities they are doing across the country from TN to Arunachal ..:mad2::mad2::mad2:
 

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How the hell are these scums getting the funds??? When the NGO route has been squeezed, intelligence agencies should focus on this. At the same time RSS and the nearby temples should be proactive to bring these tribals under their influence.
Because its not just about money. They also have committed people. That has an impact too. Other than RSS, we don't really have organizations with such commitment to protect our dharma.
 

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The temples should really step up for this task, instead of just hoarding money, gold and property, they should put it to use and using committed pundits start bringing such people under influence and eventually ghar vapsi.


Because its not just about money. They also have committed people. That has an impact too. Other than RSS, we don't really have organizations with such commitment to protect our dharma.
 

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These JNU retards can go on performing their circus only because they have tacit and often explicit support of many people in university administration. They are only acting out the ideologies they have been taught.
 

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