Naxals/Maoists Watch

Should the Indian government use armed forces against the naxals/maoists?


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sthf

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The state’s successes, here, have overwhelmingly been the result of the only successful counter-insurgency (CI) paradigm across theatres – narrowly targeted intelligence based operations – and not the clumsy ‘area domination’ or ‘clear and hold’ exercises that rely on massive deployments of Force.
http://www.dnaindia.com/analysis/column-counter-insurgency-holds-key-2423452

Words of a man who knows a thing or two about fighting insurgency.
 

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#BREAKING | Encounter between Border Security Force personnel and naxalites underway in Chhattisgarh's Pankhajur: ANI

I hope for a successful mission without a scratch to our forces.
 

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Chatisgarh and odisha police units are fit for nothing.
Just give free hand to Jharkand jaguars and ap/ts greyhounds.

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Do remember where the Moaists were just 3 years back. Then Jagdalpur and surrounding areas were the "frontier", where the state presence started receding and the proletariat began. Remember the DC who was "abducted" in Malkangiri?

Now there are encounters in Bheji, Chintagupha, Indravati Tiger Reserve, and Pankhajur (see above). Roads and Bridges are being constructed in Sukma, which was unthinkable a few years ago.

Like an ajgar, forces are slowly and steadily squeezing the Naxalis in their domain, the territory they effectively control has gone down drastically and is receding. How many news reports do we hear of schools being blown up on a daily basis?

As increasing number of Maoists are coralled into an ever shrinking area, fighting will become more fierce and casualties will mount. If we recall the Sri Lankan civil war, highest casualties happened when SLA pushed into LTTE's Wanni stronghold and started boxing more and more LTTE cadres into a shrinking area. The same is happening here.

The difference is that SLA did not care about the Tamil civilians caught in the cross fire as for them, a dead Tamil was one less LTTE fighter. We are not going to napalm our citizens just to snuff out a few naxalis. The progress will be slow and steady as the forces will need to push ahead, engage, consolidate and push again. We are in for a long long haul.

The naxalis are a symptom, the problem is the Khaangi-Left ecosystem, which has its poisonous tentacles spread deep all over India. They need to be tackled at multiple levels
- Empowerment of people (Ujjwala, Jan Dhan etc.)
- Squeezing the oxygen for BIF- Breaking India Forces (FCRA implementation, Demonetisation etc.)
- Development- Infrastructure and economic reforms.

These are time consuming and laborious processes and physically or legally impossible to tackle at the same time, so naturally some WILL be prioritised and from time to time we'll feel that some are being ignored.

There WILL be pin pricks form time to time to throw the GoI and people off the course as it is happening- LoC, Kashmir, Sukma, AAPtards, Barkati/Owaisi/John Dayal/Cedric Prakash etc.

Focus and determination will be the key. Less whining on the forum will help as well.
 

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Do remember where the Moaists were just 3 years back. Then Jagdalpur and surrounding areas were the "frontier", where the state presence started receding and the proletariat began. Remember the DC who was "abducted" in Malkangiri?

Now there are encounters in Bheji, Chintagupha, Indravati Tiger Reserve, and Pankhajur (see above). Roads and Bridges are being constructed in Sukma, which was unthinkable a few years ago.

Like an ajgar, forces are slowly and steadily squeezing the Naxalis in their domain, the territory they effectively control has gone down drastically and is receding. How many news reports do we hear of schools being blown up on a daily basis?

As increasing number of Maoists are coralled into an ever shrinking area, fighting will become more fierce and casualties will mount. If we recall the Sri Lankan civil war, highest casualties happened when SLA pushed into LTTE's Wanni stronghold and started boxing more and more LTTE cadres into a shrinking area. The same is happening here.

The difference is that SLA did not care about the Tamil civilians caught in the cross fire as for them, a dead Tamil was one less LTTE fighter. We are not going to napalm our citizens just to snuff out a few naxalis. The progress will be slow and steady as the forces will need to push ahead, engage, consolidate and push again. We are in for a long long haul.

The naxalis are a symptom, the problem is the Khaangi-Left ecosystem, which has its poisonous tentacles spread deep all over India. They need to be tackled at multiple levels
- Empowerment of people (Ujjwala, Jan Dhan etc.)
- Squeezing the oxygen for BIF- Breaking India Forces (FCRA implementation, Demonetisation etc.)
- Development- Infrastructure and economic reforms.

These are time consuming and laborious processes and physically or legally impossible to tackle at the same time, so naturally some WILL be prioritised and from time to time we'll feel that some are being ignored.

There WILL be pin pricks form time to time to throw the GoI and people off the course as it is happening- LoC, Kashmir, Sukma, AAPtards, Barkati/Owaisi/John Dayal/Cedric Prakash etc.

Focus and determination will be the key. Less whining on the forum will help as well.
Couldn't agree with this post more. However, it should be also said that there is a lot more scope for improvement on our side from tactics, vigilance, proactiveness and lethargy (on the part of the TOP brass). Addressing such issues would bring down the casualties among our men.
 

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Do remember where the Moaists were just 3 years back. Then Jagdalpur and surrounding areas were the "frontier", where the state presence started receding and the proletariat began. Remember the DC who was "abducted" in Malkangiri?

Now there are encounters in Bheji, Chintagupha, Indravati Tiger Reserve, and Pankhajur (see above). Roads and Bridges are being constructed in Sukma, which was unthinkable a few years ago.

Like an ajgar, forces are slowly and steadily squeezing the Naxalis in their domain, the territory they effectively control has gone down drastically and is receding. How many news reports do we hear of schools being blown up on a daily basis?

As increasing number of Maoists are coralled into an ever shrinking area, fighting will become more fierce and casualties will mount. If we recall the Sri Lankan civil war, highest casualties happened when SLA pushed into LTTE's Wanni stronghold and started boxing more and more LTTE cadres into a shrinking area. The same is happening here.

The difference is that SLA did not care about the Tamil civilians caught in the cross fire as for them, a dead Tamil was one less LTTE fighter. We are not going to napalm our citizens just to snuff out a few naxalis. The progress will be slow and steady as the forces will need to push ahead, engage, consolidate and push again. We are in for a long long haul.

The naxalis are a symptom, the problem is the Khaangi-Left ecosystem, which has its poisonous tentacles spread deep all over India. They need to be tackled at multiple levels
- Empowerment of people (Ujjwala, Jan Dhan etc.)
- Squeezing the oxygen for BIF- Breaking India Forces (FCRA implementation, Demonetisation etc.)
- Development- Infrastructure and economic reforms.

These are time consuming and laborious processes and physically or legally impossible to tackle at the same time, so naturally some WILL be prioritised and from time to time we'll feel that some are being ignored.

There WILL be pin pricks form time to time to throw the GoI and people off the course as it is happening- LoC, Kashmir, Sukma, AAPtards, Barkati/Owaisi/John Dayal/Cedric Prakash etc.

Focus and determination will be the key. Less whining on the forum will help as well.
The last sentence! :rofl:
Whining & wallowing in such chambers are inconsequential in the grand scheme of things anyway.

Nevertheless, a most wanted maoshit commander was caught just 2 days back. i dont see anyone sharing the news here, probably because i dont see the news on most newswaala portals to begin with. forgetting his name. something with 's'.
 

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Nevertheless, a most wanted maoshit commander was caught just 2 days back. i dont see anyone sharing the news here, probably because i dont see the news on most newswaala portals to begin with. forgetting his name. something with 's'.
Hope he meets the same fate that we are hoping for the retired Napaki Birgadier who recently went missing in Nepal.
 

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72 naxals nabbed in 200 CRPF operations since Sukma attack
https://goo.gl/gOGnT8

We have to understand these naxals surrender just to avoid death in encounter and when they are released in courts they will rejoin units to kill.

Surrendering is just a technique to them to avoid scopes of our search operations. Better our forces eliminate them with in jungles.
 

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We have to understand these naxals surrender just to avoid death in encounter and when they are released in courts they will rejoin units to kill.

Surrendering is just a technique to them to avoid scopes of our search operations. Better our forces eliminate them with in jungles.
this is partially true i believe. while some of these definitely 're-route' themselves to off-field jobs upon release, after requesting the strategic command units, or may go back to the previous methods, but some of them also turn informers/accomplices to the forces (particularly those who were already looking to defect or escape the maoist bands).
 

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this is partially true i believe. while some of these definitely 're-route' themselves to off-field jobs upon release, after requesting the strategic command units, or may go back to the previous methods, but some of them also turn informers/accomplices to the forces (particularly those who were already looking to defect or escape the maoist bands).
I agree then, again they will join in jobs like informer either to enemy or to our police.
But timeing of surrendering is crucial, wheather they gave themselves up due to immense pressure during operations or during peace time to screen there ulterior motives.
 

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Surrendering is just a technique to them to avoid scopes of our search operations. Better our forces eliminate them with in jungles.


Eliminating Naxals who are trying to surrender will create a shit storm of epic proportions. Urban Naxalis have been bemoaning about surrenders & arrests for years.

If a single such clip will find its way to media, the damage will be irreversible. Not only will the surrenders even of people of importance will stop, the govt. will alienate a significant population of tribals who have been brainwashed to think that they are second class citizens.
 

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Eliminating Naxals who are trying to surrender will create a shit storm of epic proportions. Urban Naxalis have been bemoaning about surrenders & arrests for years.

If a single such clip will find its way to media, the damage will be irreversible. Not only will the surrenders even of people of importance will stop, the govt. will alienate a significant population of tribals who have been brainwashed to think that they are second class citizens.
But they clearly killed our crpf men with out mercy, we can not deal them with kids gloves. Ok for argument sake I agree with you. But how would you distinguish naxals who surrender with strategy vs who genuinely surrender.

For example look at cpi cpm main leaders most of this party scum ie main leadership are who given up naxal forest life. And they became more dangerous with out holding weapons. Once land based they work instigating anti national elements or youth in jnu to join this game by arranging weapons, funds and political shade.

We should root out them when it is possible and while there hands are still wet with our forces blood.

Not only that these ex naxals resort to extortions, land mafia settlements and induge in political murder like one in kerala how they kill rss members.

Ex: paritala ravi how he helped ntr,chandrababu naidu of tdp to get in to power single handedly.another example is gangster nayeem ex naxal how he has links with mim and further isi operatives.
 
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