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FA-18 E/F Super Hornet Cockpit Fornt
The Russians are planning to raise the fly away cost of the Mig-29k to $65million. This will indeed pose problems for the Mig-35. But, it is still cheaper than SH, Rafale and EF-2000. And on par with Viper and Gripen. Originally, Viper and Gripen were the only ones that actually fit the IAF requirements. The rest were added to the list out of political compulsions. But, IAF is not complaining about it.Word has it Sokol is not set up to manufacture it and their latest modifications to the plant are everything but preparing for it. The cost of production will raise the ticket price by a huge factor and will not be a cost efficient use of Indian funds. You can take MiG-35 out of the running as it is not cost efficient for us or India to go with it.
It doesn't even dominate in cost factor. As I was saying, the fly away cost is going to increase when production orders are called for. Sokol has done NOTHING to prepare for it and retooling the production line will cost hundreds of millions. India will demand they pay for their own retooling and Sokol will have them ostat'sya s nosom (leaving the bag). The MiG-35 will be superior to all except Super Bug in radar, better 360 degree OLS. The competition really comes down to the Hornet and MiG-35 as the MiG is the better air superiority fighter but the Super Bug is the better bomb truck. The fact the Amerikans are ready to go with production tommorow and the fact we are not even ready to begin production three years from now is the end of this tender. I think the decision by Sokol to fund the Yak-130, and not to spread the wealth to the MiG-35 shows their lack of confidence in gaining this order.Vladmir,
According to you, in which key areas does the Mig-35 dominate over the other contenders apart from maneuverability and the cost factor ?
Your posts are immature, lack substance and carry a lot (a lot) of wrong information. Learn more and comeback after a few years. Mayhaps then you will be able to post something substantial to think about.brought up like a king and live like a king. Rafale's weapons...hmm lets see
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it can still only carry 5 long range BVR, pathetic compared to the SH's 10 Aim-120s. Apache is too expensive, HARM not impressive, Maverick...hhmmm too old. only 3*1000kg bombs, sucks, the conventional payload is gr8 but not guided, so sucks because the pilot has to get close, Belouga, durandal, BAP-100 deployed on mirages, besides useless because the home made HSLD can be used for same roles. Besides LGBs, ALARM(too expensive), MICA, Harpoon, Exocet, Penguin-3, Aim-120C, most weapons not impressive.
Those conventional weapons mean that the Rafale which is also much more expensive has to get closer to the ground target to hit it which means the risk of being shot down is higher, it is indeed less riskier and overall cheaper to use stand-off weapons, you avoid getting closer to the enemy, drop cheap and pretty accurate long range weapons. the Rafale doesn't even drop a decent LJDAM, JDAM-ER which are still cheaper than its primary GPS weapon the ASSM, the JDAM-ER also has a longer range and the SH can carry 4*1000KG and cause havoc over 50 NM away which is around 90 km. its cheaper because you don't have to fly upto the enemy, fuel savings, accurate targeting, no random carpet bombing close to the enemy, no need for lots of small conventional weapons to destroy the target, virtually 0 risk to the pilot and the aircraft.
Rafale's limited weapons have no weapons flexibility especially PGMs. Rafale can't out run a barrage of MANPADS launched at it on a conventional bombing run, it will hit the target but returning home is another story, MANPADS are cheap and if the enemy was to fire 3 or 4 of those in-expensive defensive weapons simultaneously, well any MRCA will be shot down. we cant afford to loose expensive aircraft on a silly bombing run, what we need is long range standoff weapons and SH is ideal for that.
we all know the importance of PGMs and Rafale falls short miserably in PGM roles, except for LGBs and very expensive ASSM, it has no pgms, it can drop JDAM, gr8 but not good enough.
In places like himalayas, the weather can be nasty and LGBs can be useless this is when SH's LJDAM can come in handy with the pilot choosing between gps or laser guidance depending on conditions. SDB can be used on moving, stationary or hardened targets ideal because so much mission flexibility in a single sortie, a single SDB is enough to take out an f-16 bunker or destroy a moving scud launcher in the same mission, more over US made 'bunker busters' are also deployed on the SHs.
ASSM has a max. range of 50km while the JDAM-ER has a max. range of 90km and is much cheaper, JSOW-A/C can be used on ground and sea moving targets and the normal version is a glide bomb cheaper than the Apache anti runway weapons. come to think of it Apache and storm shadow are the only long range air to ground missiles Rafale can deploy, Apache costs 1.6 million euros a unit and Storm shadow which has range of around 250km is very similar to the SLAM-ER which has a range of 270 km, can hit moving targets and at a cheaper price, SH can also deploy the Taurus KEPD range 500km and we can buy it coz no mtcr, Rafale can't as of yet. I am sure given these weapons the Rafale can be very effective but what kills the Rafale is the price. SH can fire Asraam, Aim-9x, Iris-T, mica is on mirage but the upgraded mirages will fire Asraam. dont hate the Rafale just hate the fact that a lot needs to be done to make it relatively useful.
How do you define air superiority in the era of BVR missiles ?It doesn't even dominate in cost factor. As I was saying, the fly away cost is going to increase when production orders are called for. Sokol has done NOTHING to prepare for it and retooling the production line will cost hundreds of millions. India will demand they pay for their own retooling and Sokol will have them ostat'sya s nosom (leaving the bag). The MiG-35 will be superior to all except Super Bug in radar, better 360 degree OLS. The competition really comes down to the Hornet and MiG-35 as the MiG is the better air superiority fighter but the Super Bug is the better bomb truck. The fact the Amerikans are ready to go with production tommorow and the fact we are not even ready to begin production three years from now is the end of this tender. I think the decision by Sokol to fund the Yak-130, and not to spread the wealth to the MiG-35 shows their lack of confidence in gaining this order.
this is the era of AESA and AIM-120Ds , ok , but this is also the era of missile jammers ...How do you define air superiority in the era of BVR missiles ?
Airframe-wise, the Mig-35 is definitely miles ahead in A2A engagements, but do you think this advantage holds relevance in the era of AESA, and AIM-120Ds ?
The Mig might have an excellent OLS system, but would the engagement even reach the level of its requirement ?
Do you see fighters facing off one-on-one ?
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