MMRCA 2.0: News & Discussions

[WolfPack86]

India may 114 Rafale fighter.

 

[abingdonboy]

India may 114 Rafale fighter.

Before the 2024 election? Hahahahahahahahaha…etc

no, just no.

what’s even the point of this thread? None of this stuff is ever going to happen

 

[abingdonboy]

‘Even if they offer competitive price and technology but that problem of long due process even to procure additional improvements, spare parts and everything else in US administration is very cumbersome. A minor official in the State Department or NSA can raise objections which will take months to clear. Hence unless, it is absolutely essential to buy this American bird, we better get similar from elsewhere with cumbersome procedures.

They cannot offer a competitive price vs the Rafale. The 15EX is already more expensive than the Rafale to begin with. The extra cost of ISE, fixed costs and a unique weapons package (for india) is in the billions of USD

may as well talk about F22s for the IAF. That’s as likely as any of these FXX for india

 

[silverghost]

Before the 2024 election? Hahahahahahahahaha…etc

no, just no.

what’s even the point of this thread? None of this stuff is ever going to happen

Absolutely, after all, IAF has Mig 21, Cheetah & Chetak helicopters. Let's wait until ADA finishes its science projects.

 

[abingdonboy]

Absolutely, after all, IAF has Mig 21, Cheetah & Chetak helicopters. Let's wait until ADA finishes its science projects.

HAL LUH is finished even the LCA MK1A is an option, who is stopping the jokers inside IAF/IA in ordering them in serious numbers?

6+6 LUH whilst 100s of Chetak/Cheetah fly around

what does ADA’s ‘science projects’ have to do with the IAF’s inability to issue the RFP for MRFA this late in the day?

 

[BON PLAN]

HAL LUH is finished even the LCA MK1A is an option, who is stopping the jokers inside IAF/IA in ordering them in serious numbers?

6+6 LUH whilst 100s of Chetak/Cheetah fly around

what does ADA’s ‘science projects’ have to do with the IAF’s inability to issue the RFP for MRFA this late in the day?

LCA , in every models, is not to compare to Rafale family.
A point defense fighter versus a deep strike fighter. More or less like to compare Mig 21 and Su30.

 

[NutCracker]

Before the 2024 election? Hahahahahahahahaha…etc

no, just no.

what’s even the point of this thread? None of this stuff is ever going to happen

Or get some unofficial agreement that reduces the gap of first delivery date from 36 months to 30 or 24 months.

 

[NutCracker]

LCA , in every models, is not to compare to Rafale family.
A point defense fighter versus a deep strike fighter. More or less like to compare Mig 21 and Su30.

Our western borders don't need deep strike MRCA, LCA is capable of ripping apart that tiny strip of pedoLand.

Porkies have 150 JF17, might build around 200+. We need at least 200+ jets to get numerical superiority and those jets should also be economical in terms of maintenance and with high availability rate.

LCA FITS THE BILL PERFECTLY.

 

[abingdonboy]

LCA , in every models, is not to compare to Rafale family.
A point defense fighter versus a deep strike fighter. More or less like to compare Mig 21 and Su30.

I only brought up LCA as an antidote to having Mig-21s still in service

 

[BON PLAN]

Our western borders don't need deep strike MRCA, LCA is capable of ripping apart that tiny strip of pedoLand.

Porkies have 150 JF17, might build around 200+. We need at least 200+ jets to get numerical superiority and those jets should also be economical in terms of maintenance and with high availability rate.

LCA FITS THE BILL PERFECTLY.

I agree : no need of Rafale for point defense mission, but the contrary is not true.
You need more than 36 deep strike fighters, and Tejas even in mk2 is not made for.

 

[NutCracker]

I agree : no need of Rafale for point defense mission, but the contrary is not true.
You need more than 36 deep strike fighters, and Tejas even in mk2 is not made for.

Can't sign the deal before election, Modiji might be arriving there to convey that keep a slot for us so that we don't have to wait for 36 months for first delivery.

Also i think Rafale is actually point defence against Chinese J20. We don't plan to bomb China 2000km inside.
If we ever plan , it will be Ghatak taking out their land based air defence with Rudram ARM with Su30 bomb trucks and Rafales from behind giving aircover with meteors.

 

[vikata]

I agree : no need of Rafale for point defense mission, but the contrary is not true.
You need more than 36 deep strike fighters, and Tejas even in mk2 is not made for.

If even mk2 is not sufficient then how Pakistan has managed to place f16 at the center of it's offensive doctrine,j10 is going to fit the bill for them in future.mk2 is going to be a reality by 2030 and it will stand shoulder to shoulder with j10.

F35 with it's stealth but with condition attached and recent American shenanigans with f414 manufacturing in india.
Rafale a natural upgradation for iaf which has always looked up to French plane as the tip of it's spear,also provides operational flexibility ,but a bit behind usa in technological domain and higher cost.
These two are necessity but only for Chinese sector, with in a decade Indian aviation industry will be in a position to dominate the Pakistan sector ,just as we have done with our missile program.

 

[LondonParisTokyo]

On Camera, Fireball After F-18 Jet Rapidly Nose Dives, Crashes In Spain

An F/A-18 Hornet fighter aircraft was up in flames after crashing at the Zaragoza air base in Spain, approximately 300 Km from the country's capital Madrid.

www.ndtv.com

Makes no sense whatsoever to go with F18. Any updates on Rafale or anything?

 

[Corvus Splendens]

Before the 2024 election? Hahahahahahahahaha…etc

no, just no.

what’s even the point of this thread? None of this stuff is ever going to happen

wait wait the brits want in on this clown fest too

 

[johnj]

wait wait the brits want in on this clown fest too
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Since Italy facing sanctions. Germany having issues with human rights, only UK is left to offer eft to India

 

[abingdonboy]

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Since Italy facing sanctions. Germany having issues with human rights, only UK is left to offer eft to India

The U.K. itself is phasing out the EFT

just more pointless speculation. This contest is dead.

 

[Hari Sud]

No business with Brits until they modify their policy towards india. They have to return all the economic offenders who have taken shelters in UK, shutdown Khalistanis, and many other issues like trade talks etc. Until then no business.

 

[silverghost]

HAL LUH is finished even the LCA MK1A is an option, who is stopping the jokers inside IAF/IA in ordering them in serious numbers?

6+6 LUH whilst 100s of Chetak/Cheetah fly around

what does ADA’s ‘science projects’ have to do with the IAF’s inability to issue the RFP for MRFA this late in the day?

Why is there such a disconnect between what the military & air force wants & what DRDO designs? The Navy has no such problems. The reason is the ships for the Navy are designed by the Directorate of Naval Design. Why doesn't the MoD create a Directorate of Armaments & Directorate of Airforce design & put the respective DRDO departments under Army & Airforce? That way both these groups will consume whatever they designed.

 

[BON PLAN]

wait wait the brits want in on this clown fest too
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The EF2000 commercial life is already over.

 

[MirageBlue]

The Eurofighter Typhoon doesn't really stand much of a chance. I wouldn't be surprised if they choose not to contest the MRFA contest once the RFP is out.

From India's perspective, the consortium approach is too messy and doesn't offer up any advantages over the Rafales, on which a substantial amount has been spent for India Specific Enhancements, ground infra as well as training for pilots and maintainers.

The more one thinks about it, the less one can see any advantage in going with the MRFA competition. It will only consume time and do nothing else. The choice is obvious; the Rafale F4.